New York 134: Planet of Hats (Scum Win!)

[Celebloki]

I just didn't think that sentence out before I typed it. I had just finished reading through interactions between Tomie and Glowball as well as other players. I had a wall of quotes I was going to incorporate into it but I ended up deleting a bunch of them because I didn't want to make a massive wall post. I didn't really proof read what I had wrote, just kinda hammered the keys and hit submit. Obviously being scum Glowball would know what swag/PBuG is, I was probably typing from my perspective at the time where I am still not completely certain of what swag/PBuG is. I guess it's my interpretation of what Glowball's strategy is depending on what the alignment of PBuG is. If he's scum and Glowball is bussing(Understandable, at the time Swag was AWOL and not helping scum anyway, she could get brownie points), she can claim she started it so she helped but held a distance from actual bussing. But if Swag/PBuG is town her strategy would be to have started it and distanced herself so she didn't help mislynch a townie, I mean hell she even helped defend Swag! Two different strategies depending on what Swag/PBuG is. That bolded sentence is a product of me just not being clear, I apologize.

[Parabollocks]

Parabollocks, you seem so desperate to get rid of me. Is that because you know you're mafia, and I'm in your way?

that now you have claimed PGO noone will visit you, you're evidently worthless and scummy on top of it.

[Thor665]

@Para - we're not lynching Jilly today, adjust your vote accordingly.

[Celebloki]

I've read through Parabollocks ISO and his interactions with glowball. I am still certain chkballin needs to hang. He does call her randome town read in his #328, could be scum buddies. Glowball does call him under scrutiny for joining in with the DK PL but never really puts too much pressure on or votes him. Outside of that Parabollocks is pretty tunnel visioned on Jily. He was on the DK bandwagon and when that was a no go he went to Jily. Now in D2 he's hung up on her PGO claim. I'd say he's likely scum going after generally safe targets. I'm keeping my vote on his scummier buddy chkballin.

[Thor665]

Scum pairings prior to flips are worth as much as sand in the Sahara.

[bvoigt]

I just didn't think that sentence out before I typed it. I had just finished reading through interactions between Tomie and Glowball as well as other players. I had a wall of quotes I was going to incorporate into it but I ended up deleting a bunch of them because I didn't want to make a massive wall post. I didn't really proof read what I had wrote, just kinda hammered the keys and hit submit. Obviously being scum Glowball would know what swag/PBuG is, I was probably typing from my perspective at the time where I am still not completely certain of what swag/PBuG is. I guess it's my interpretation of what Glowball's strategy is depending on what the alignment of PBuG is. If he's scum and Glowball is bussing(Understandable, at the time Swag was AWOL and not helping scum anyway, she could get brownie points), she can claim she started it so she helped but held a distance from actual bussing. But if Swag/PBuG is town her strategy would be to have started it and distanced herself so she didn't help mislynch a townie, I mean hell she even helped defend Swag! Two different strategies depending on what Swag/PBuG is. That bolded sentence is a product of me just not being clear, I apologize.

Fair enough. I'm going to keep my vote on chkballin.

[jilynne1991]

Actually, Para, you can think of it this way, I'm one player for the town, that's guranteed to go to LYLO or take out a scum if I don't get lynched.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Actually, Para, you can think of it this way, I'm one player for the town, that's guranteed to go to LYLO or take out a scum if I don't get lynched.

Except we have absolutely no way of confirming your alignment.

[DrippingGoofball]

She's town.

Scum PGO? No.

[xRECKONERx]

That's true, I've never seen a scum PGO.

*lurks again*

[Knight of Cydonia]

Scum who took credit for krypt dying with a claim that would ward off any potential investigation?
Could happen.

[chkballin]

@chkballin-Which post(s) of PBug's convinced you that he was town?

Nothing, I'm just not the type of player to openly go right back to my D1 scumread right off the bat. Especially not when someone was modkilled D1 instead of a proper lynch.

[Knight of Cydonia]

@chkballin-Which post(s) of PBug's convinced you that he was town?

Nothing, I'm just not the type of player to openly go right back to my D1 scumread right off the bat. Especially not when someone was modkilled D1 instead of a proper lynch.

...I'm failing to see how a modkill changes things as opposed to a lynch. I'm also failing to see how "nothing" happening to change your read suddenly switched PBuG from scum to town.

[chkballin]

Catch-up wall from when we've been absent is forthcoming. Lots of names mentioned. And a response to ^this post at the end.

[chkballin]

tl;dr

-- Parabollocks, PBuG, SleepyKrew, Knight of Cydonia, Palisade, Taro, Celebloki, & 65536 are responded to slash mentioned slash questioned in some fashion. Inquiry to my Celevote is also answered.

i don't believe jily's claim, and i haven't even read the thread.

VOTE: jily

reading now, PGO claim is shit, why don't you just claim fucking vig while you're at it.

Do you still feel that the PGO-claim isn't legit? Also, I'm interpreting that you think Palisade's Vig-claim also isn't legit, right? Do explain.

Vote: Knight of Cydonia

because he spent 90% of his posts on day 1 clamoring for DK's lynch with no other valuable input whatsoever.

So, by this volition, you believe that KoC's clamoring for DK's lynch was valuable imput? lolwut?

And to skip ahead before going back~

No other scum reads. None. Has a town read on Celebloki for taking a meta jab at Thor, saying scum wouldn't attempt that - why?

I don't feel it's the right time to give full reads on the whole playerlist, I just wanted to share some of my stronger reads.

You should at least

try

to look like you're paying attention. This quote is right before our vote on you. As far as my "slighttown" read on Celebloki goes, obviously that's changed... but really? I didn't, at the time, think such a move was scum-motivated nor scum-posted until it was outed that the link was completely and utterly false; to which Cele responds with "My bad".... for real?

KoC=active lurker
PBuG=scummymcscummerson

Have these reads changed?

...reasoning? I don't understand what DK's modkill has to do with me.

Vote: Knight of Cydonia

because he spent 90% of his posts on day 1 clamoring for DK's lynch with no other valuable input whatsoever.

a) deliberate misrep, stating "the fact DK was modkilled doesn't make PBuG less scummy" isn't an implication that DK's modkill has an effect on you, it's a clear statement of "okay, the fucktard is out of the way, continue as normal".

b) blatant hypocrisy, given that you yourself stated that after reading the thread twice (which you admitted to not actually doing), DK was your only scumread. You're voting me for pushing hard on your only scumread of your own. Yeah, I tunnelled yesterday, but 1) frankly, getting DK out of this game sooner rather than later was of paramount importance to making this game semi-playable. The fact that you're dragging DK back into this stinks of a desire to reobfuscate the scum hunting, just as he did yesterday.

Vote: PBuG

SEXY OMGUS VOTE, BRO.

We apologize for our continued dearth of activity. Both of us are having limited access troubles, though mine are drawing to a close.

PBuG continues to compound the scumminess of his precessor. Swag's slip is no less valid now than then. I get the sense that Reck and Krew is not Town vs Town. My partner has strong conviction on that pairing, but I am less certain. We will vote for who we both agree is scum.

Vote: PBuG

-RedHead

What's your full interpretation of Reck/Krew?

ALSO: it's my interpretation that you think Celebloki is bussing his scummate. This is correct, yes?

You don't think he's improved over his predecessor's play?

I know this is not aimed at me, but you can't really just draw a blank slate because the player got replaced...

I don't think that's what xReckx is doing here; on the contrary, I think he's legitimately reading PBuG's posts more and more towny as D2 goes along. I'm tending to agree with that read.

I'll bite, lets see where a palisade wagon gets us.

Unvote

Vote: Palisade

I love that you threw this vote out randomly (which I presumed was for "pressure" and

would you guess

what your

excuse

was?) so your vote on me seems less OMGUSy. Thumbs up for this terribly scummy play.

Man, you're gonna be disappointed.

Man, you're gonna keep posting fluff.

Chkballin

• Vote on JDGA http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p3162667 I understand the reasoning and the reason for the hop off, I like it
  
• Vote on Pallisade http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p3178427

Vig claim? My gut says no, but that makes more sense than Krypt investigating jilynne.

UNVOTE: Palisade
VOTE: Celebloki

I have my own non-sheep reasons for the vote, but you'll have to wait for my part of the case until I get a chance to post it.

I would like to hear this reasoning.

1] His very first post (a catch-up after replacing whomever) and vote on Jilynne is absolute garbage.
2] His Response to why jilscum > Swagscum is just as garbage and could easily be scum sheeping.
3] This post is fluffing to active-lurk to buy time, only to call out Thor later for something Thor didn't even do. Blatant misrep is blatant.
4] Swag vote is purely so people wouldn't call out his lame "I'm going to vote the lurker" fluff-nonsense-sheeping and bleeds scum-trying-to-look-town to me.
5] Hardcore flip-flops from PBuG to DeityKabuto with the same "Why isn't X lynched already?" for town-fluff-cred.
6] I could stack on some new reasons as well, if you'd like, since my vote shouldn't have left that wagon to begin with. I just wanted a legitimate chance to catch-up before I laid my vote somewhere toDay.

Votecount 2.2

Noting Voting

(6)

:

Mist7676

rep

, jilynne1991

(V/LA)

, Zebronic, PeregrineV, JDGA, BeaverWeasel

Well the first three have somewhat legitimate reasons for not voting yet, but you last three are two scum and a town.

-m

Which do you think is which?

@chkballin-Which post(s) of PBug's convinced you that he was town?

Nothing, I'm just not the type of player to openly go right back to my D1 scumread right off the bat. Especially not when someone was modkilled D1 instead of a proper lynch.

...I'm failing to see how a modkill changes things as opposed to a lynch. I'm also failing to see how "nothing" happening to change your read suddenly switched PBuG from scum to town.

Quote where I said I have a new town-read on PBuG and I'll

gladly

continue this discussion. Until then? You're not paying enough attention.

The difference between Wraith modkilling DK, however, and town (more than likely) lynching PBuG? Are you Smurfing serious? I think Pali-vig would've been more inclined to pop off DK instead of and we'd still have a cop, for one.

Knight of Scumdonia is leaning slightly > than Celescumi if only because he's (aside from quite recently) not at all scum-hunting and super-active lurking. Add the nonsensical claim? And that equals:

VOTE: Knight of Cydonia with a very active

IGMEOY

: Celebloki

[chkballin]

EBWODP: Also, justfor reference, any un-specifically tagged post made from this hydra can be assumed to be made from both heads via conference/discussion in a QT.

[65536]

Chkballin

• Vote on JDGA http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p3162667 I understand the reasoning and the reason for the hop off, I like it
  
• Vote on Pallisade http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p3178427

Vig claim? My gut says no, but that makes more sense than Krypt investigating jilynne.

UNVOTE: Palisade
VOTE: Celebloki

I have my own non-sheep reasons for the vote, but you'll have to wait for my part of the case until I get a chance to post it.

I would like to hear this reasoning.

1] His very first post (a catch-up after replacing whomever) and vote on Jilynne is absolute garbage.
2] His Response to why jilscum > Swagscum is just as garbage and could easily be scum sheeping.
3] This post is fluffing to active-lurk to buy time, only to call out Thor later for something Thor didn't even do. Blatant misrep is blatant.
4] Swag vote is purely so people wouldn't call out his lame "I'm going to vote the lurker" fluff-nonsense-sheeping and bleeds scum-trying-to-look-town to me.
5] Hardcore flip-flops from PBuG to DeityKabuto with the same "Why isn't X lynched already?" for town-fluff-cred.
6] I could stack on some new reasons as well, if you'd like, since my vote shouldn't have left that wagon to begin with. I just wanted a legitimate chance to catch-up before I laid my vote somewhere toDay.

Good reasoning is good, what do you think of the Mason stuff going on, specifically BeaverWeasel and DrippingGoofball.

Votecount 2.2

Noting Voting

(6)

:

Mist7676

rep

, jilynne1991

(V/LA)

, Zebronic, PeregrineV, JDGA, BeaverWeasel

Well the first three have somewhat legitimate reasons for not voting yet, but you last three are two scum and a town.

-m

Which do you think is which?

PeregrineV and JDGA look most scummy. JDGA is doing IoA and Peregrine reeks of lurkerscum

-m

[65536]

EBWOP:

just for note as well that read was from before this whole mason kafuffle so we're waiting on BW's explanation for his celebloki reactions before we reclassify him as town
-m

[chkballin]

what do you think of the Mason stuff going on, specifically BeaverWeasel and DrippingGoofball.

Reads like a gambit (gone wrong/early ousted without good reason) to me, but doesn't make me think they're inherently scummy just for that.

So you think BW is town (basically by PoE) even given your own interpretation of the "mason stuff going on" that you've just mentioned?

~

CHK

[65536]

currently BW is sitting in null territory, I would like to hear about celebloki from him, as I said that read was before all the mason thinking was blown out of the water
-m

[SleepyKrew]

"Have these reads changed?"
KoC = scummymcscummerson
PBuG = null leaning town
Nice bus

[Wraith]

BeaverWeasel and Zebronic will be replaced if they do not post by the time I get home from errands this evening.

The subtext here is "Don't expect those replacements for another four weeks."

[xRECKONERx]

BeaverWeasel is actually semi-active though, so like, don't waste a replacement on them.

You might as well just modkill the Zebronic slot since it hasn't posted either as Zebronic or the previous player.

This game is stagnating pretty hard and it's making my eyes bleed whenever I try to read it.

[bvoigt]

Vote: Knight of Cydonia

because he spent 90% of his posts on day 1 clamoring for DK's lynch with no other valuable input whatsoever.

So, by this volition, you believe that KoC's clamoring for DK's lynch was valuable imput? lolwut?

Do you consider this a scumtell? I think it's pretty clear what PBuG meant-- KoC didn't do much on Day 1. Or were you just asking a meaningless question?

...reasoning? I don't understand what DK's modkill has to do with me.

Vote: Knight of Cydonia

because he spent 90% of his posts on day 1 clamoring for DK's lynch with no other valuable input whatsoever.

a) deliberate misrep, stating "the fact DK was modkilled doesn't make PBuG less scummy" isn't an implication that DK's modkill has an effect on you, it's a clear statement of "okay, the fucktard is out of the way, continue as normal".

b) blatant hypocrisy, given that you yourself stated that after reading the thread twice (which you admitted to not actually doing), DK was your only scumread. You're voting me for pushing hard on your only scumread of your own. Yeah, I tunnelled yesterday, but 1) frankly, getting DK out of this game sooner rather than later was of paramount importance to making this game semi-playable. The fact that you're dragging DK back into this stinks of a desire to reobfuscate the scum hunting, just as he did yesterday.

Vote: PBuG

SEXY OMGUS VOTE, BRO.

You're using a buzzword here to attack his vote without actually explaining why it's scum-motivated. I think it was a reasonably well-thought out vote, not just scum trying to place suspicion on someone who was accusing him.

I'll bite, lets see where a palisade wagon gets us.

Unvote

Vote: Palisade

I love that you threw this vote out randomly (which I presumed was for "pressure" and

would you guess

what your

excuse

was?) so your vote on me seems less OMGUSy. Thumbs up for this terribly scummy play.

Again, you're calling out Celebloki for OMGUS and not actually explaining what makes it OMGUS, or what makes it scummy. His vote seemed also seemed legitimate.

@chkballin-Which post(s) of PBug's convinced you that he was town?

Nothing, I'm just not the type of player to openly go right back to my D1 scumread right off the bat. Especially not when someone was modkilled D1 instead of a proper lynch.

...I'm failing to see how a modkill changes things as opposed to a lynch. I'm also failing to see how "nothing" happening to change your read suddenly switched PBuG from scum to town.

Quote where I said I have a new town-read on PBuG and I'll

gladly

continue this discussion. Until then? You're not paying enough attention.

The difference between Wraith modkilling DK, however, and town (more than likely) lynching PBuG? Are you Smurfing serious? I think Pali-vig would've been more inclined to pop off DK instead of and we'd still have a cop, for one.

Knight of Scumdonia is leaning slightly > than Celescumi if only because he's (aside from quite recently) not at all scum-hunting and super-active lurking. Add the nonsensical claim? And that equals:

VOTE: Knight of Cydonia with a very active

IGMEOY

: Celebloki

The bolded is irrelevant. He was asking why the modkill made you less willing to vote PBuG right off the bat.

@Sleepy:

Active lurking, tunneling, and fail gambiting aren't scummy? Claiming with FIVE WHOLE VOTES ON YOU isn't scummy?

Could you please explain, in depth, the scum motivation behind each of these four things?

[DrippingGoofball]

Can we lynch Parabollocks?