Newbie 1122 (Game Over|Scum Win)

[Robocopter87]

This Votecount is Correct. I went back to page three and went from there. So. There shouldn't be any more confusion about that. My apologies.

If you see anything wrong with any Votecounts in the future. Please don't hesitate to say something.

I don't remember if I had anything else to say... it feels like I did... Ah oh well. Here's your votecount.

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Vote Count

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Oversoul [2] zMuffinMan, numberQ

smallpeoples343 [0]
ValiliaRei [1] Oman
Oman [0]
numberQ [1] PackBat
Maruchan [0]
Panacea [0]
zMuffinMan [1] ValiliaRei
Packbat [0]

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Not Voting

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smallpeoples343, Oversoul, Maruchan, Panacea

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Amount to Lynch

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With 9 Alive it is 5 to Lynch.

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Deadline

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Midnight of July, 19^th, EDT.

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[Maruchan]

Has smallpeoples been around recently? I think I'll go with an isolate his posts and see what he's been saying.

[Maruchan]

EBWOP, Oh I see he just recently got back from a V/LA so I hadn't seen much of him in the page or two before I replaced in.

gah, V/LA's make it hard to get tells on people, because its like they aren't there during the discussion, just after it to see outcomes. oh well.

[Maruchan]

Quick Question, numberQ, what is your experience in terms of past Mafia games, real life, online, or otherwise, and what would you say your skill level is if you had to guess?

[numberQ]

Well, I've only played 1 and a half games on the internet. I say a half because it ended early due to everyone losing interest, and the 1 I did finish was pretty bad because the moderator wasn't the greatest. (Nothing like you, Robo! ) I've never really read any games either, so I don't have much to go on for skill level comparison. Just from this topic, I'd say I'm pretty beginner level in terms of skill, but I'm learning.

[Maruchan]

I was just entertaining in my mind that maybe you were using a complex strategy of allowing everyone to think you were a PR or scum, so that we wouldn't lynch you, hoping for a PR, then the maf would kill you.

Its called softclaiming. but I have like never seen newer players pull it off, or even consider it, so I'm back to thinking you're either scum or PR.

Sorry Bro. <3

[Packbat]

UNVOTE: numberQ
VOTE: Maruchan

With every post he makes, his intentions look less and less towny.

[Maruchan]

UNVOTE: numberQ
VOTE: Maruchan

With every post he makes, his intentions look less and less towny.

could you explain what looks not towny for me please?

[Maruchan]

MuffinMan, good luck on the IC game.

[numberQ]

Maru: Well it was Oversoul who said I was PR or scum, and his reasoning is just that it looked like I had something to lose. Take that as you will.

I also am unsure why someone would use that strategy. Legitimate question here, what's the point in softclaiming if it just sows confusion and gets you killed in the end?

[Maruchan]

it protects the real PRs. if a blue were to softclaim, and draw all suspicion onto themselves, and they AREN'T lynched, then the mafia would think they are PR, and kill them, a blue, rather than hitting a PR.

So if the mafia are killing someone anyways, its would be smart to softclaim a role as a blue, to attract suspicion from the mafia. But softclaim too hard, and the real role might claim and then you look scummy.

[numberQ]

Gotcha, thanks

[zMuffinMan]

It's 1 vote. Am I supposed to be scared?

No. Are you?

I asked whether you had anything to add to the game, I'm not sure how that implied that you should be scared because someone voted for you. Your #217 was a bit... lacking in content...

Do you have any suspects outside of numberQ?

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@maru,

Any particular reason you're not voting at the moment? Who is your top suspect and why?

[Maruchan]

It's 1 vote. Am I supposed to be scared?

No. Are you?

I asked whether you had anything to add to the game, I'm not sure how that implied that you should be scared because someone voted for you. Your #217 was a bit... lacking in content...

Do you have any suspects outside of numberQ?

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@maru,

Any particular reason you're not voting at the moment? Who is your top suspect and why?

right now I honestly don't know. the past 2 days I've been side tracked, I plan on going through and isolating everyone's post and reading ti separately, then reading through the whole thing again and then voting.

[ValiliaRei]

I'm voting for the person I think is the most suspect. I have gut feelings about everyone else, but that's it. I figure that day two will be a day to make more informed opinions based on the day one lynch, the night one kill, and everyone's reactions and interactions with those people. But since you ask, here are my takes on people:

Packbat - Not posting as often anymore. Some IIoA continues even after the game started rolling. Sudden 180 on his thoughts on zMuffinMan. Sudden, little explained vote on Maruchan.

Panacea - No real vote yet, just the prod vote of RBW/Oman and a flamboyant FoS on Maruchan

Oversoul and smallpeoples - Possible rolefishing

Oman - no read yet. Not enough posts from him or RBW.

Maruchan - Lots of talking and the strange question about quicktopics.

I'm assuming everyone knows already how I see zMuffinMan and numberQ.

[Oversoul]

No I don't really have anything to add to the game other than that I don't Maruchan's actions. Personally I feel like an M&M scum team, but I really don't have any (solid) reasons other than "vibes" from your posts, Muffin.

[Maruchan]

M&M as in me and muffinman?

So you think I was bussing my continuous FoS on him for a page and a half till i realized thats just his meta.

[Oversoul]

M&M as in me and muffinman?

So you think I was bussing my continuous FoS on him for a page and a half till i realized thats just his meta.

Meta is a horrible reason to vote or not to vote someone. And yes M&M as Maruchan and zMuffinMan.

[Maruchan]

M&M as in me and muffinman?

So you think I was bussing my continuous FoS on him for a page and a half till i realized thats just his meta.

Meta is a horrible reason to vote or not to vote someone. And yes M&M as Maruchan and zMuffinMan.

beyond the point I was trying to make. and I hadn't voted him before I just said I suspected him. and then I realized his aggressive in your face behavior wasn't scummy, it was his personality.

[Maruchan]

VOTE: ValiliaRei

The tunnelingg seemed really scummy. every single post involved a finger at MuffinMan.

[Packbat]

Packbat - Not posting as often anymore. Some IIoA continues even after the game started rolling. Sudden 180 on his thoughts on zMuffinMan. Sudden, little explained vote on Maruchan.

Okay, I'm awake now - let me try to explain my reasoning.

First, examine the reasons I had for going after zMuffinMan. They were twofold: first, his vote on me, and second, his interactions with numberQ. zMuffinMan's vote on me was an RVS vote. I could imagine making an entirely similar vote, with similar justification, and responding similarly ... as town. This part of my case was nothing but misreading the snark of another player. And numberQ? numberQ's been looking relatively towny lately. The way he's been gaining confidence doesn't look like scum trying to disguise their natural caution; it looks like newbie-town getting their feet under them.

In other words, I've no reason left to

suspect

zMuffinMan from my original case. And outside my original case he looks like a pro-town player.

As for my vote on Maruchan: right off the bat I disliked his zMuffinMan convo in #175 - it didn't read as genuine, it was too much imitation of what everyone else was saying. Follow that up with the "look at Elf!" bit in #207, and the "are you really a PR or just faking?" bit that wraps up at #230.

This third one is new to the thread, so I'll elaborate: if there is some fact which might protect a PR - such as, "if the mafia are killing someone anyways, its would be smart to softclaim a role as a blue, to attract suspicion from the mafia"; facts such as these create WIFOM in the minds of scum - then it's a good idea to

let scum wonder

, rather than eliminate the confusion as Maruchan apparently did.

Speaking of which: Maruchan seems way more on top of things than his "oh, I've only played chat, I don't know how to play forum" stance suggests. I don't think anyone even suggested the

idea

of softclaiming in this thread before Maruchan brought it up, for example.

[Robocopter87]

Panacea and smallpeoples343 have been prodded. smallpeoples was past the 72 hour limit. While Panacea was a just three or four hours behind. So slack to Panacea.

[Panacea]

Panacea already offered notification of V/LA. Will still be unable to post until I make it home tonight, as I said.

[Maruchan]

Speaking of which: Maruchan seems way more on top of things than his "oh, I've only played chat, I don't know how to play forum" stance suggests. I don't think anyone even suggested the

idea

of softclaiming in this thread before Maruchan brought it up, for example.

Just a side note, softclaiming is highly encouraged in chat-based in when you play Competitive (that is, you're playing with other experienced players who understand the game), because if you softclaim as doc, then the mafia will try and kill you, saving the doc. I was just curious of his experience with Mafia, because softclaiming is something I never understood until a month or two after playing Mafia. He then asked why I was curious about his past experience, so I was telling him the theory that lead me to it.

[Maruchan]

Also, As I stated earlier, I still agree with the original stance of "One of the experienced players is likely to be scum"

So I think Panacea, PackBat, or MuffinMan is part of the scum team.