Mass Effect Mafia (Draw)

[marco1610]

Good lord not 2scum4scum.

NO.

Who's scum then?

And yes marco you haven't been forgotten. Shep's got a renegade move all lined up for you.

You talk as if you're confirmed town. Killing me will only hamper your credibility whether you be town or scum.

[nintendoaddict1]

The second is written incorrectly.

What I meant to say is that Toog has done too many things that have been noted to be scummy or radical. He hasn't fit in with the crowd, he's made himself stand out.

Can scum do this? Yes.

Are we lynching plausible scum who can do this on D1? No.

Excuses for a mistake you didn't catch before posting.

[ender241]

Uh, no... my deal is just that. You lynch me today, nothing saves Reck from being lynched tomorrow. Was making a point about it.

This isn't the best of ideas, what if both of them turn out to be town? Then we have lost out on 2 good townies in 2 days.

[Silent Wraith]

We dislike the argument that anyone is or is not scum by the fact that they stick out or not. It's the "too dumb for scum" route all over again, only it conjectures that one's play style if it is in fact provocative, that scum would not use it to mimic playing town. A better thing to ask someone is what is their motivation: is it in fact town motivated or not to try to disprove everyone's RVS vote by pointing out that it wasn't in fact truly random?

In context, we believe it's not. However, we do find the whole 'hang person X if I die' tomorrow to be somewhat scummy, because of the WIFOM that opens up. Also, two dead townies serve no one. We do plan on watching Toog in the days to come.

What's more suspicious to us, at least, is the above reasoning for town--we dislike the argument. for it makes an intuitive leap; and does so in lieu of scum hunting, which is not something Hiraki's done a lot of without prompting. Or more plainly, Hiraki's spent more time giving us his town read on Toog then giving us any real scum reads on much of anyone else.

Vote: Hiraki

[Hiraki]

We dislike the argument that anyone is or is not scum by the fact that they stick out or not. It's the "too dumb for scum" route all over again, only it conjectures that one's play style if it is in fact provocative, that scum would not use it to mimic playing town. A better thing to ask someone is what is their motivation: is it in fact town motivated or not to try to disprove everyone's RVS vote by pointing out that it wasn't in fact truly random?

You're not getting what I'm saying.

The main basis of the argument is that Toog voted seriously, in the time of RVS correct? I have no scum viewpoint for trying to do this. It's not that Toog has done anything scummy, it's that Toog hasn't been doing anything that scum would do, aka: there are no real scumtells against Toog.

What's more suspicious to us, at least, is the above reasoning for town--we dislike the argument. for it makes an intuitive leap; and does so in lieu of scum hunting, which is not something Hiraki's done a lot of without prompting. Or more plainly, Hiraki's spent more time giving us his town read on Toog then giving us any real scum reads on much of anyone else.

Because Ender still has to die. I can explain Jason easily with being on the Toog wagon, and not directly stating any reads, only asking questions. The only direct statement is ISO Post 5, which contradicts most or all of Jason's play thus far.

[ShadowGuru]

SW's "Hiraki hasn't done much scumhunting apart from pushing a townread on Toogeloo therefore he must die" argument just further cements my scumread on him.

--Wraith

[Hiraki]

I'm sorry that Ender is my top scumread?

[xRECKONERx]

Reck, you willing to 1 for 1 with me? You said your power was LAME if I recall, so no one would miss it.

My power is lame, but no, I'm not willing to 1 v 1 with you.

I keep getting this tinge of tickle in my head that says you might be town with such a stupid fucking maneuver like this, but then I look at it and go "It's so dumb, what if it's a gambit?" and keep going 'round and 'round in circles.

Lucky for you, though, someone just popped in waving a "Lynch me, please!" flag and HOOOOOOO BOY DO I HAVE PLANS THAT ARE NOT YET GOING TO BE REVEALED.

Vote: marco1610

[Hiraki]

Marco is a newbie though.

[jasonT1981]

Marco is a newbie though.

So? you can't just give people free passes on the Newbie card, its dangerous. Scummy is scummy regardless of new or seasoned. If you think someone is scummy, you vote them.

Interesting defending here I feel.

[Hiraki]

We're not lynching a newbie D1.

The reason you're being so opportunistic is disgusting.

[SpyreX]

Hiraki is probably town.
Marco I'm trying to wrap my head around. I dont see scum asking for death.
SW could be for death.

[jasonT1981]

We're not lynching a newbie D1.

The reason you're being so opportunistic is disgusting.

Im not suggesting we lynch a newbie day 1 and no where have I said that.

[SpyreX]

??

So you want them lynched because newbies don't deserve passes BUT not day 1?

[Sovereign]

Mass Effect Mafia

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Suspicion Matrix

1.4

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Toogeloo [3] – SpyreX, nintendoaddict1, jasonT1981

Silent Wraith [3] – Sathoris, marco1610, ShadowGuru

ender241 [2]

– Hiraki, Rhinox

Hiraki [1]

– Silent Wraith

xRECKONERx [1]

- Toogeloo

marco1610 [1]

- xRECKONERx,

Not Voting –

ender241, GhostWriter, PeregrineV

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With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
Deadline is Thursday July 28th at 7am PDT (10am EDT).

[Hiraki]

We're not lynching a newbie D1.

The reason you're being so opportunistic is disgusting.

Im not suggesting we lynch a newbie day 1 and no where have I said that.

You didn't say that, but it's a fact that Macro is a newbie.

He's your lynch for tomorrow, don't lie.

[xRECKONERx]

Unvote; Vote: jasonT1981

[Rhinox]

The main basis of the argument is that Toog voted seriously, in the time of RVS correct?

Actually, the way I understand it, its that he voted seriously (regardless of when), and when pressured about his reasoning, he tried to play it off as LOLRVS. And then he tried to deflect by basically saying "hey what about everyone elses RVS votes why don't you question them?"

I don't really get toog's 1v1 proposed plan. I don't see how he's even really presented any argument for reck scum, but he's willing to 1 for 1 with him? It's not a pro-town plan, but its not something I'd expect scum to do either, knowing that once toog flips scum, reck won't be autolynched. The proposal seems either like stupid town, or some desparate gambit to try to make reck look like confirmed town after toogscum dies or something like that. I'll consider the plan proposal null.

The second is written incorrectly.

What I meant to say is that Toog has done too many things that have been noted to be scummy or radical. He hasn't fit in with the crowd, he's made himself stand out.

Can scum do this? Yes.

Are we lynching plausible scum who can do this on D1? No.

no, this is wrong. This is only valid when a player is actively trying to stand out and be the center of attention. Toog hasn't been trying to stand out, he just is, because he's been scummy.


I still agree with hiraki that ender should be getting more attention for this post:

I'm certainly not liking the fact with silent wraith jumping onto a band wagon, but that really isn't enough to vote him so i'll

FoS: Silent wraith

for now.

As hiraki already explained. It pinged my scumdar too, mostly because of the weak FOS when ender didn't even have a vote anywhere else. Actually, ender hasn't placed a vote all game yet.

@ender:

Who's scum, and why aren't you voting?

[Toogeloo]

The main basis of the argument is that Toog voted seriously, in the time of RVS correct?

Actually, the way I understand it, its that he voted seriously (regardless of when), and when pressured about his reasoning, he tried to play it off as LOLRVS. And then he tried to deflect by basically saying "hey what about everyone elses RVS votes why don't you question them?"

I don't really get toog's 1v1 proposed plan. I don't see how he's even really presented any argument for reck scum, but he's willing to 1 for 1 with him? It's not a pro-town plan, but its not something I'd expect scum to do either, knowing that once toog flips scum, reck won't be autolynched. The proposal seems either like stupid town, or some desparate gambit to try to make reck look like confirmed town after toogscum dies or something like that. I'll consider the plan proposal null.

Actually, I have clearly stated that my vote was done in the RVS stage, and people bashed me because it wasn't random enough to qualify as a Random Vote Stage vote. I didn't realize there was a difference between placing a vote in the RVS and a vote not being RVS viable. Mission accomplished for getting us out of that stage I suppose.

As for the 1 for 1 with Reck. He was being a troll (and still is to minor extent). Not the Reck I've seen in games like Blackest Night where he tore Scum apart. If he isn't willing to be an all star, then I am willing to get rid of him 1v1 with my own read that I think he is scum himself for trying to avoid attention and push it on others. It's all gut.

[Rhinox]

@toog:

the fact you're trying to get us to agree to 1 for 1 you and reck based on gut and because you think he is trolling isn't going to cut it for me, and quite frankly is horrible play if you're town.

as for the first part, random voting

stage

emphasis added on stage doesn't exist as you're trying to use it. There isn't a

defined stage of the game

where

all votes

are random/joke/meaningless.

There are, however, individual votes that are random/joke/meaningless, and those votes continue early in the game until there are real reasons to vote and then they're no longer tolerated. Your vote was not random/joke/meaningless. It had a serious reason, you chose to vote me for a specific, game related, serious reason. Thats not the problem. The problem is you seem to be trying to avoid having to answer for that vote and avoid credibility for it by saying it was random/joke/meaningless, when clearly it wasn't. In other words, your vote was NOT an RVS vote, and you continued along in serious discussion that resulted because of your vote until your ido 9 when all of a sudden it was RVS.

Why didn't you just claim RVS in iso 3 when spyrex first accused you for your vote?

[ender241]

@ender:

Who's scum, and why aren't you voting?

Not sure...yet. Will have a good post tonight.

[jasonT1981]

We're not lynching a newbie D1.

The reason you're being so opportunistic is disgusting.

Im not suggesting we lynch a newbie day 1 and no where have I said that.

You didn't say that, but it's a fact that Macro is a newbie.

He's your lynch for tomorrow, don't lie.

False, I do not setup lynches on a day to day basis nor do I chain lynch. I do not even see Marco as scummy right now. I was just pointing out you cant excuse scummy on the newbie card.

Very nice misrep.

[xRECKONERx]

As for the 1 for 1 with Reck. He was being a troll (and still is to minor extent). Not the Reck I've seen in games like Blackest Night where he tore Scum apart. If he isn't willing to be an all star, then I am willing to get rid of him 1v1 with my own read that I think he is scum himself for trying to avoid attention and push it on others. It's all gut.

I tore scum apart by using meta on my ex-boyfriend and nailing his scumteam, and I just so happened to nail a SK while I was at it. I know basically nobody in this game, and the ones that I do know are more or less unmetable so don't expect any D1 bustingthegamewideopen scenarios.

[Hiraki]

We're not lynching a newbie D1.

The reason you're being so opportunistic is disgusting.

Im not suggesting we lynch a newbie day 1 and no where have I said that.

You didn't say that, but it's a fact that Macro is a newbie.

He's your lynch for tomorrow, don't lie.

False, I do not setup lynches on a day to day basis nor do I chain lynch. I do not even see Marco as scummy right now. I was just pointing out you cant excuse scummy on the newbie card.

Very nice misrep.

Of course you don't in game, but I'm just saying what's in your head.

[jasonT1981]

how do you know what is in my head?