Mafia 137 - Neruzian Era Mafia SERIAL KILLER WIN!

[Neruz]

Majority Terminus

mastin2 ( 5 ) -

Tomie Uzumaki, malpascp, Phoebus, hiplop, edmund.angles

Tomie Uzumaki ( 4 ) -

mastin2, Empking, Bowser, Pine

hiplop ( 3 ) -

Maxous, Torqez, Hirarky

paupam's rat ( 1 ) -

warriormode

zMuffinMan ( 1 ) -

somerandomguy

Phoebus ( 1 ) -

zMuffinMan

Torqez ( 1 ) -

PranaDevil

edmund.angles ( 1 ) -

paupam's rat

Toon Fighter ( 1 )-

GreyICE

11 Votes to Lynch

Day 1 will end at approximately 10:00AM GMT+0 on the 26^th of July.

[vezokpiraka]

I don't get the mastin wagon after reading.

Although this wagon is pure gasoline.

vote TF

Look at that last post. He's so scum he can't even keep it in his pants.

[edmund.angles]

Jumping on a wagon that already has a bunch of people on it (many with no or bad reasons) for shit-reasoning like that is bad.

The other people on the Mastin wagon must decide to stay or leave as they see fit and defend that position. I don't see what that has to do with me.

How do you expect a game to start exactly? Mastin's "reads" were a way to generate discussion and get us moving from RVS.

I didn't mind the list, since I expected it to be a discussion starter. But Mastin has later claimed to be dead serious.

No, that doesn't mean my list was not serious. It was dead serious, still is.

While they have clogged up other venues for scumhunting by generating too much discussion about the reason for his "reads", this was not Mastin's fault.

Yes it is his fault. We were quickly out of RVS but he kept pushing his list.

He hasnt given full reasoning behind his comments for a reason as well (probably to gauge people's reactions) and that should be rather obvious, especially to someone who has been at MS.net for as long as you have.

That is bull-shit, he hasn't given

any

reasons. Nor has he questioned anyone.
What he does is to get everyone to reconsider a post from a scum position.
It casts suspicion but makes sure

he

doesn't say anything he has to defend later.
This kind of dodging is damn scummy.

Your last line, about it not being a great loss if Mastin is town, is just awful. You try to exonerate yourself from responsibility by making it out as though it would not matter if he flips town because supposedly he is a hinderance to town either way. That is a classic scum move, and you are now my top scumread.

Mastin is scummy, but I don't pretend like I'm sure Mastin is scum, so in voting I must also consider the mastin-town possibility. Even if he is not scum, he is a hazard.

@Bowser: Damnit, reasons! tell us why you think I'm scummy and the mastin wagon is shit.

[Toon Fighter]

@GreyICE: My post may be a bit confusing, but in 1) I was talking about Tomie. HE is the one asking good questions, not mastin. Regarding mastin, I just commented that his list was useless (unless he flips scum, then we could check there for possible buddies) and that he looks town.

Hiplop has made some pretty bad posts, and the reasons he uses for attacking mastin are BS. THAT is why I voted him. He seems to be a good lynch.

My vote on mastin was a RV, I had no real reason to vote him. I was just surprised the wagon on him built up so fast. WHEN I FOUND A BETTER PLACE TO PUT MY VOTE, I MOVED IT. I explained that already.

You keep misinterpreting me and accusing me based on things I didn't say/ didn't mean. Your vote (and vezok's after it) just reek of opportunism and poor reading.

[Toon Fighter]

oh, and

vote: hiplop

because my previous vote was poorly done

[hiplop]

Hiraki's still scum, but he'll keep. This is staring me in the face right here, right now. Hiraki's combination aggression and passive-aggressive posts with 'helpful' "oh I is so town" posts like bitching about people gut voting.

One post.

You're full of shit, you know that?

The only thing you have on me at the moment, with

nothing

about anything prior where you actually called me scum, for reasons other than meta.

Grey, why is Hiplop not scum?

YOU'RE PISSED I WANT YOU LYNCHED

FOR THE WRONG REASONS.

YOU'RE NOT PISSED I MISREAD YOU YOU'RE PISSED BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE MY METHODS OF CORRECTLY READING YOU.

ROFLMAO AT THE IDEA YOU'RE TOWN.

ROFLMAO AT THE IDEA I CARE ABOUT HIPLOP RIGHT NOW.

ouch

I care about you hiplop :3

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Toonfighter

GM has me convinced

[GreyICE]

@GreyICE: My post may be a bit confusing, but in 1) I was talking about Tomie. HE is the one asking good questions, not mastin. Regarding mastin, I just commented that his list was useless (unless he flips scum, then we could check there for possible buddies) and that he looks town.

Okay, what were Tomie's two best questions, and what did you learn from them?

[Hiraki]

Btw, nice flipflop hiplop.

[Maxous]

GM has me convinced

I assume you are reffering to GreyIce?
Which points convinced you and why?

You too Vezok.

[hiplop]

Btw, nice flipflop hiplop.

.. lol

[Bowser]

V/LA Saturday to....whenever I get internet back

[zMuffinMan]

@edmund,

Do you think someone acting like they're dead serious about something during RVS is a sign they're scum? Think 305, and tell me how this is any different.

[hiplop]

GM has me convinced

I assume you are reffering to GreyIce?
Which points convinced you and why?

You too Vezok.

nmissed this post; the entire thing did, really. Yeah greyice

[Neruz]

MintKitten

replaces

PranaDevil

due to meatspace concerns.

[mastin2]

Kinda back. Desktop rather than laptop, dead tired, distracted right now, quite behind.

Also, utilizing meta assessments is PART of effective scumhunting, so GI's signature is myopic bullshit.

1: Could you elaborate on your viewpoint? Just for me.
2: Do you think GreyICE's signature makes him scum?

Do you not see what's scummy with hiplop?

Ish.

If you use gut as a reason for a vote, there is a 100% guarantee that you are probably not town.

You called my lists in your hiplop case town. Correct me if I am wrong about this.

If I pointed to a number of those reads and said it was gut, would that reverse your read on me and make me scum?

Spoiler: Unnecessary

I'll join the mastin wagon:
UNVOTE: BowserVOTE: Mastin2

Mastin is scummy because he doesn't commit to anything concrete - all he does is to slap up a post and say, "See how scummy it is!". Then everyone can read into it what they want and there is no crap-logic to tear apart.

And if he's town, it is no great loss to lose a player that pulls a list out of his ass and then convinces himself it's true.

To say this vote has town motivation is extremely laughable. Pure scum motivation. I could quote it sentence by sentence and show you exactly why, but considering this catchup wall is already a bit long, I'll give you the main two reasons: 1--OMGUS.
2--Bandwagoning on an "easy" target. (Hooooooooooh boy, is he gonna get a surprise... I love people who don't know my style of play. )

I say unnecessary due to the explanation here. It doesn't give ALL of my reasons, but it gives enough to convey the general idea of why edmund is scum.

MASTIN HASN'T ASKED ANY SERIOUS QUESTIONS YET!

Oh, really? You think I was not serious?

Also,

GreyICE:

do you still think Pine is scum? (You voted him earlier for the meta.) What do you think of his explanation? (Scarily close to that of my own. ) Give your current thoughts on Pine, right now.
Compare him to Hiraki--are they both scum?

[/will be working more when he has his notes]

[Hiraki]

If I pointed to a number of those reads and said it was gut, would that reverse your read on me and make me scum?

I meant from this point forward sort of stuff.

[MintKitten]

Hello there! Glad to be playing with all of you. Catching up on posts, right now and for the time being:

UNVOTE

[mastin2]

Right. So if I said I saw something which changed my read based on gut, would I be scum?

[Hiraki]

Right. So if I said I saw something which changed my read based on gut, would I be scum?

Mastin.

You know the point of my post.

Stop.

[mastin2]

You know the point of my post.

Yup, indeed.

[GreyICE]

@Mastin:

Pine is awesome. A fast growing tree, it can be used as a renewable replacement for old growth timber. With a maturity of 5-7 years, pine farms have largely replaced old-growth cutting for paper, construction lumber, and much wooden furniture. While slower growing than bamboo, it also needs less treatment to be usable and durable, and its soft nature makes it easy to use and carve. Fundamentally, a green alternative to many of the prior evils of logging, and a solid environmental product. I give it two thumbs up.

[mastin2]

You know what I meant, Grey. Pine, the PLAYER.

Additionally, you answered the bolded as a joke. (I want serious.) The rest, unbolded, you left unanswered.

do you still think Pine is scum? (You voted him earlier for the meta.) What do you think of his explanation?

Give your current thoughts on Pine, right now.

Compare him to Hiraki--are they both scum?

[GreyICE]

I explained it to you perfectly. Pine is a friendly environmental product. Two thumbs up. Would the environment really be trying to kill us?

Hikari, on the other hand, is definitely evil. Have you ever heard of a Hikari in its natural environment? No? Me either. It's unnatural man, the product of science allowed to roam out of control. Your blindness will kill us all!

The difference is really clear to those of us in tune with the natural vibe, man.

Also you're not voting for Toon Fighter, this means you're bad.

[MintKitten]

VOTE: Bowser

Seems like scum trying to appear town imo. #55 mastin says Tomie is scum. What does Bowser do? Vote him/her in #56. No reason, no thoughts, just voted cause mastin said so. My guess is he wants to remain on mastin's town category as long as he can. #95, he says edmund (whom I honestly have a null tell on at the moment) just outed himself as scum. Where's your vote? Where's your voice? You sheeping mastin is worse than Pine's. Pine gave some valid reasons on his #164 and indicates that he does not blindly trust mastin's list ("I'm not sold on Ed yet"). Pine feels town.

[Hiraki]

I'm hating you right now ICE.

This is betrayal.