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[zMuffinMan]

No, the implication is that you're playing dumb. But I think you already know that.

[Maruchan]

Oh. I thought you were implying I might be mafia asking how to ask my QT. O.o I was way off then

[Maruchan]

EBWOP: access*

[Panacea]

Okay! Sorry, I don't really do many V/LA's, so don't worry that this might be frequent.

This is so completely my first IC game that it hurts.

Yeah, I'm running through Packbat's meta, and his play here seems to check out more as Town. Also, regardless of alignment, Packbat's super helpfulness is apparently specific to this game, which for now nullifies my "too-town" argument.

@Maru: I know some time has passed, but what prompted you to mention reads on Elff back in #207?

The end of pg. 8 leaves me with more of a town feel on Oversoul.

Early pg. 10 gives me town feel for Packbat, and I agree with his sentiment on Maruchan. Every post is rife with painstaking effort not to step on anyone's toes, and it doesn't necessarily get us anywhere. There are like a gajillion Ramen logos flashing across my screen, and none of the attached text does anything but ask softball questions.

@Maru: Why did you bring up softclaiming D1 like that? From my perspective, it looks like you're scum trying to gauge whether the most scrutinized player is a PR.

You keep side-stepping casebuilding by throwing up your hands and saying "I don't know." You need to stop that. Hunt scum, if you're a townie.

So I think Panacea, PackBat, or MuffinMan is part of the scum team.

And... your vote is on Rei..? Surely you don't think this setup is 4-way mafia?

@Maru: Where'd you hear about QuickTopics, exactly?

@Panacea - Why did you make a fancy FoS? Why not just vote if you're that suspicious?

Because at the time I was on my phone and needed to check into some things on a pc first. When I'm not voting people who've been out for too long, I tend to play my votes pretty close to my chest. For instance, I want to see some activity from Oman before I join the Maruchan wagon.

No, the implication is that you're playing dumb. But I think you already know that.

But what would he stand to gain from this? As town or as scum?

Rei, not that I'm saying you need to drop your case on MuffinMan, but you need to consider maybe that if you're both town, you've devoted a

lot

of time to him.

Please let me know if I missed anything!

[zMuffinMan]

That was kind of a pointless question.

You... don't understand how playing dumb like that as scum would be beneficial?

Hint: If he was scum, he'd know what the QuickTopic was.

[Maruchan]

@Maru: I know some time has passed, but what prompted you to mention reads on Elff back in #207?

Was trying to be helpful to everyone, as I realized before I even subbed in that people who sub in have to hope the person they subbed for was good at playing. I realized that RTBW had to rely on any tells the person he subbed in for had (except then i realized the person eh subbed in for didnt ever post), so I was just trying to be helpful in telling everyone, hey. Ellf's tells are my tells. Thats what happens when you sub in. Just trying to throw out a tidbit I realized that I wasn't sure if everyone had realized.

@Maru: Why did you bring up softclaiming D1 like that? From my perspective, it looks like you're scum trying to gauge whether the most scrutinized player is a PR.

I wasn't going to bring up softclaiming if I thought he could pull it off. Once I believed he wasn't experienced enough to pull it off, and asked me why I wanted to know, I saw no harm in telling him my theory that i no longer believed. If I thought he did have the experience to know to allow us to all think he was PR as a softclaim, I would have let him so as to sacrifice himself for the mafia. Now the mafia are wondering if I am wrong, and he DOES have the experience to pull off a softclaim, or if I am right, and he really is a PR. might just save him tonight if the mafia decide to kill.

So I think Panacea, PackBat, or MuffinMan is part of the scum team.

And... your vote is on Rei..? Surely you don't think this setup is 4-way mafia?

I said part intentionally. I think the other part has more likely odds to be a newbie. I'd rather be wrong about a newbie being maf and lynching someone who doesn't know how to play as well, then be wrong about an experienced player being maf, and lynch someone who DOES know how to play well.

@Maru: Where'd you hear about QuickTopics, exactly?

I read about like 30 wiki pages, all the rules, and the instructions on the Queue thread, along with read through most of the interactive newbie guide before I even began to sign up for the sight. I could prowl my Browser History if you like, and tell you the exact page I first saw it on?

[ValiliaRei]

I've ISO'd Maruchan's posts. The first thing I noticed was that very single opinion he's had has been a rewarmed opinion from somebody else.

But personality doesn't mean I totally erase you from my mind in all pictures of scummieness, after all, from my POV, you all are scum.

6 of you are just less scum

.

This caught my eye because the math seemed off. Maruchan minus "most scummy person" leaves seven people remaining. But, Maruchan minus scum partner minus "most scummy person" leaves six people remaining. Scumslip?

@Maru: Where'd you hear about QuickTopics, exactly?

I read about like 30 wiki pages, all the rules, and the instructions on the Queue thread, along with read through most of the interactive newbie guide before I even began to sign up for the sight. I could prowl my Browser History if you like, and tell you the exact page I first saw it on?

If you had read that much on the wiki and website, then why didn't you try to wiki "quick topic" before you posted? I tried it just now to see and it had the explanation and link to the external site right there on the page. I also checked the timestamps on your posts, and you posted your question in the queue, received your answer, thanked them for answering, then reposted the question here for us to see. Why did we need to see it? Were you trying to make yourself look like a "confirmed town" since

*sarcasm* scum couldn't possibly be that clueless about quicktopics */sarcasm*

UNVOTE: zMuffinMan
VOTE: Maruchan

[smallpeoples343]

Assuming I haven't been replaced yet, I'm back!

[Packbat]

Hey, smalls - got reads?

[Panacea]

Damn, Rei! Townie-brownies for a good case.

I think Maru is the best lynch for today. However, I really can't feel good about it with absolutely no input from Oman. Assuming Maru flips scum, a possible Maru/Oman team is going to be virtually impossible to spot because they've had virtually no interaction.

MuffinMan, I misread, sorry. I thought Maru had said that was what he thought you'd meant, and you'd said it wasn't. I see it now.

[Panacea]

EBWOP: Repititious "virtually," ew.

Oversoul and NumberQ, this Maru wagon is overshadowing yours. What do you think about that?

[Maruchan]

I've ISO'd Maruchan's posts. The first thing I noticed was that very single opinion he's had has been a rewarmed opinion from somebody else.

But personality doesn't mean I totally erase you from my mind in all pictures of scummieness, after all, from my POV, you all are scum.

6 of you are just less scum

.

This caught my eye because the math seemed off. Maruchan minus "most scummy person" leaves seven people remaining. But, Maruchan minus scum partner minus "most scummy person" leaves six people remaining. Scumslip?

9 people-me = 8 people -- As I said, from my PoV
8 people-2 scum = 6 people -- how many town are left

If you had read that much on the wiki and website, then why didn't you try to wiki "quick topic" before you posted? I tried it just now to see and it had the explanation and link to the external site right there on the page. I also checked the timestamps on your posts, and you posted your question in the queue, received your answer, thanked them for answering, then reposted the question here for us to see. Why did we need to see it? Were you trying to make yourself look like a "confirmed town" since *sarcasm* scum couldn't possibly be that clueless about quicktopics */sarcasm*

I honestly just did not think about wikiing quicktopics. I am a very intelligent person (not trying to brag, this is inherent to my point), however I have ZERO common sense. I hate Google, because I can't usually ever find what I need on it. I never see the easy option, and I always make things 10X harder for myself than they need to be. If you'd like, I can go see which of these pages exactly got me my first mention of quicktopics.

As for timestamps, I posted here before I read that, saying "I could have sworn I posted something..." Then I quoted what I posted, so you all knew what the f I was talking about. Although you are correct, I should have added in "They already answered it for me"

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[Maruchan]

EBWOP: THe oldest is at the BOTTOM, it goes up

[Maruchan]

EBWOP2:

Mod wrote:
Mafia

name (a Mafia RoleCop) and name (a Mafia Goon) are part of the local Mafia crime family. Since your plot to quietly overtake the town has failed, you will attempt take it by force by eliminating the others until you outnumber the populace.

During the day, try to blend in with the normal Townies and attempt to get someone lynched.
During the NIGHT cycle ONLY, you may talk with your fellow Mafia (via QuickTopic, linked below) and choose another player in the town to kill that night.
One of you must send the moderator a PM with your choice of who to kill and who is performing the kill before the Night deadline.
The Mafia RoleCop has the ability to investigate another player and learn their specific role (Townie, Cop, Doc, or Jailkeeper).
One of you must send the moderator a PM with your choice of player that you want to investigate (usually along with the kill) before the Night deadline.
If the Mafia RoleCop is blocked by a Town Jailkeeper then the RoleCop will receive a PM stating “No Result”.
You may communicate privately via QuickTopic with your fellow Mafia up until the game thread is opened (this is called Night 0). Once the game begins, all outside communication must cease until the night cycle.
Please do not communicate with each other outside of the QT.
You win when the number of Mafia equals or exceeds the number of remaining Town players, whether you survive to the end or not.

This, found in game table 1119, is the first mention I had of QuickTopics, by which time I had quit scrounging the wiki, and had therefore not considered wiking it.

[smallpeoples343]

Maruchan might be a little desperate. As to why, I'm unsure. Of course, I have been getting extremely bad reads lately. For now,

FoS: Maru

[Maruchan]

Nah I just like proving points. ^_^ When I have an opinion or a point, I stop at no ends to make it. proof of this would be a debate I got into about a Harry Potter thing
http://ihoggy.net/index.php?showtopic=62054
I'm TheGavin. If you can see, I worked hard to find details to prove my points. Even when I had nothing staked on it, like I do in the game. I have no life, therefore it gives me loads of time to scrounge for every little bit of information I need when I need it.

[Panacea]

For the sake of accuracy, the second quote in Maru's #286 is Rei's, not mine.

Maru, your HP link is not relevant to this game. You also have to set up an account to view it, anyway. That would be a good way to bolster the number of that site's members, though, lol.

Completely off topic aside, but AHHHHH!!!! 2.5 days!!!!!!!!!!

[Packbat]

Completely off topic aside, but AHHHHH!!!! 2.5 days!!!!!!!!!!

Not off topic - 2.5 days means we need to decide on a lynch

today

, so we have time to ask for a claim from the target. Anyone whose vote is not placed on their top scum suspect should be moving it now.

[Maruchan]

For the sake of accuracy, the second quote in Maru's #286 is Rei's, not mine.

Maru, your HP link is not relevant to this game. You also have to set up an account to view it, anyway. That would be a good way to bolster the number of that site's members, though, lol.

Completely off topic aside, but AHHHHH!!!! 2.5 days!!!!!!!!!!

He is right, I miss typed the name in my quote in #286, also sorry I didn't realize the site requires registration to view. it didn't used to. And idc about bolstering the # of views the site gets, they are a very specific Roleplay, based in another online website's game, and have a small but dedicated memberbase, they have thousands of "registered" users that have logged in once and never come back.


also. you're right. only 2 and a half days left, and unfortunately I'm a prime suspect.

[ValiliaRei]

This, found in game table 1119, is the first mention I had of QuickTopics, by which time I had quit scrounging the wiki, and had therefore not considered wiking it.

But after looking at the history you posted, it looks like you still used the wiki even after you saw the term "quick topic."

You found the mafia wiki at midnight of the 6th. You looked at various wiki pages and eventually looked at the newbie game at 12:47AM, which is where you say you first saw the term "quick topic." Around 7PM-ish, you created your account. In between the time you created your account and replaced into this game, you wiki'd:

Karma
Vel-Rahn Koon
WIFOMGUS
WIFOMproducts®
OMGUS
Commonly Used Abbreviations

After you had already replaced into this game, you wiki'd:

Finger of Suspicion
Lynch All Liars
Game Moderator

Then I noticed that this history was from the 6th. You waited around 40 hours to ask about quicktopics, which happened at 5:40PM on the 7th. Why were you able to think of looking up other terms on the wiki even after you joined the site and saw the quicktopic term, but not think to look up quicktopic itself?

If something "bugs you and bugs you" until you figure it out, why did you let it bug you for almost two days before you finally asked?

[Maruchan]

If you'd like I can provide the entirety of my history from the end of this till today, but I never once looked up quicktopics.

also anything you mention I wikid after I sign up, was all wiki articles that were linked to somewhere on the site. I didn't search for them, I merely clicked links.

And the reason I didn't immediately ask because I thought it might make a scenario like:
-register-
-sub in-
"Hi everybody! I'm subbing in! Whats quicktopics?"
-everyone is wondering why my first thing I say involves the mafia's means of communication-

get the picture?

Karma was linked from Vel's page. Vel's page was linked from the Nebiw Queue topic. WIFOMproducts and WIFOMGUS were linked from OMGUS. OMGUS was linked from a previous post by you.

Commonly used Abbreviations is linked on the front page of the wiki, and I saw terms I didn't know what they meant, such as IIoA or IoA or OMGUS. FoS and LaL were linked from your posts, Moderator, I am honestly not sure how I found that page. You might know better than me where on the site links to the page Game Moderator?

As you are the IC, and your job is to help educate newbies, every link you post, I click it and read it, and often click other links on the page you linked to. I figure the more information I know, the better player I am.

So please, don't suspect me for clicking links that you yourself provided? dat makes me sad, like you don't expect anyone to actually read your Informative posts.

[Maruchan]

EBWOP, in fact I keep a permanent tab up of the Commonly Used Abbreviations, just in case I happen to see another I don't know.

[Robocopter87]

<4>Time does not affect anything in this game unless it is a game mechanic. The use of Timestamps as a reason against someone is prohibited.

I think this is appropriate time to reiterate this rule.

[Panacea]

Whoa, everyone, chill out. Deadline is the nineteenth. Look at the thread title, lol! Harry Potter 7, pt. 2 is in 2.5 days. Sorry to freak out everyone. Told you it was off topic.

Val, this is some intense scumhunting. How did you uncover his search history like that? It seems like it wouldn't be allowed?

[Panacea]

Oh, lol. Ninja'd by the Mod! Wow, Robo, thank you for following the game so closely. It's really appreciated!