Mass Effect Mafia (Draw)

[ShadowGuru]

What do you know, I'm bored now. Doubt I'll finish this before work, though.

Marco is a newbie though.

So? you can't just give people free passes on the Newbie card, its dangerous. Scummy is scummy regardless of new or seasoned. If you think someone is scummy, you vote them.

Interesting defending here I feel.

We're not lynching a newbie D1.

The reason you're being so opportunistic is disgusting.

Jason's conclusion is logical. Hiraki is making one of the strangest and most misguided proxy defenses I've ever seen. Nowhere in his then-recent posts does Jason imply we are lynching marco for being a newbie and, in fact,

was not even voting for marco at the time

, merely pointing out a stupid accusation.

I also really hate the fact that SpyRex and Reck come out of nowhere and start joining in on the attack on Jason.

We're not lynching a newbie D1.

The reason you're being so opportunistic is disgusting.

Im not suggesting we lynch a newbie day 1 and no where have I said that.

You didn't say that, but it's a fact that Macro is a newbie.

He's your lynch for tomorrow, don't lie.

Because I'm a nerd who browses wikis for fun, I'm going to try to refute this stupid case against Jason with a few topics from the wiki. Specifically under "Logical Fallacies." This post above, to me, is a variation of Correlation Implies Causation. In this case "Marco is a noob." "Jason wants Marco lynched (

lie by the way

)." "Therefore, Jason wants marco lynched because marco is a noob." I don't know where you drew this conclusion Hiraki. This leads into the next logical fallacy, a varriation of the Loaded Question

We're not lynching a newbie D1.

The reason you're being so opportunistic is disgusting.

Im not suggesting we lynch a newbie day 1 and no where have I said that.

You didn't say that, but it's a fact that Macro is a newbie.

He's your lynch for tomorrow, don't lie.

False, I do not setup lynches on a day to day basis nor do I chain lynch. I do not even see Marco as scummy right now. I was just pointing out you cant excuse scummy on the newbie card.

Very nice misrep.

Of course you don't in game, but I'm just saying what's in your head.

how do you know what is in my head?

inception.

The funny part is, you've never denied that this wasn't in your head.

Your turn shall come.

So Hiraki said "You want Marco lynched because he's noob. (

lie

)" Jason: "No I don't, nowhere have I said this (

truth

)" Hiraki: "You haven't said it but it's in your head." Jason: "How do you know what's in my head?" Hiraki: "See? You haven't denied that the idea's in your head!"

how do you know what is in my head?

Wait, you're not den- hold on. Lookie what was on the next page!

The funny part is, you've never denied that this wasn't in your head.

FoS jason

NINTENDO OUTTA NOWHERE

Here's where interactions get a bit screwy. A page ago SpyRex was all like "oh why you want lynch marco for newbieness jason?" and then he's like "oh why is marco so dumb he must be teh scum"

Then Hiraki's all like "lol marco is noob he's stupid" And

Jason's

the one arguing about the connotations of Marco's "newbie status"?

So Nintendo's starting the wail on Jason using Hiraki's craplogic...

I think it is self evident what my last post meant.. you are both attempting to put words in my mouth.

Still not denying it. I'd vote you, but my vote is already on your partner.

...and Hiraki implies he is sheeping scum.

Sigh. Nintendo.

Just sheep.

So Nintendo must be insane, or lacks basic reading comprehension, because apparently this post by Jason admits that he was "thinking about setting up a lynch on marco tomorrow":

It gets majorly twisted to I was setting up a lynch tomorrow.

I say no... the case is now I was thinking it, and didn't deny it.

If I really have to spell it out for you post-by-post what Jason actually was saying in every post he made up to this point, I'll go over to your house and change your damn daiper for you.

So look at Nintendo/Hiraki's "case" and remember:

Jason was never the one advocating for Marco's lynch

[jasonT1981]

Oh wow, now that I've actually taken the effort to put two-and-two together I realize that Hiraki/nintendo's beef with Jason is totally contrived and a blatant misrep.

Unvote Vote; Nintendo

Hiraki's is ewewewew but Nintendo is the one blowing the issue out of proportion and basically sheeping Hiraki. Maybe I'll make a more detailed explanation for this later, if I'm bored.

--Wraith

You aren't seeing his contradiction.

He said he was thinking of setting up the lynch, then later, asks me to find somewhere he said he was thinking of setting up the lynch.

Check my last post.

WHAT RUBBISH! SHOW ME WHERE I SAID I WAS SETTING UP THE LYNCH. SHOW ME WORD FOR WORD RIGHT NOW! I never once said that. I was accused of it though Hak accused me off it!


this is how it unfolds.

I am willing to strike a deal right now with the entire town.

Lynch me today. If I flip town, tomorrow, no if ands or buts, you lynch Reck. I don't give a shit if a Cop scans him innocent. He dies.

NO, No chain lynches, no setting up next days lynch on a deal.

Lynch on evedience and scummyness. not chain lynches and deals. I would like to know why Reck is setting up ( or alluding to setup) a chain lynch on myself.. however I don't really think Reck is worth a lynch right now.

Hell, im being accused of something I had earlier said is a no go... no chain lynches. but it moves on Hik says this, and the rest is this bullshit arguement. All because I don't agree with the Newbie card, a stance I have taken in MANY games.

Marco is a newbie though.

So? you can't just give people free passes on the Newbie card, its dangerous. Scummy is scummy regardless of new or seasoned. If you think someone is scummy, you vote them.

Interesting defending here I feel.

We're not lynching a newbie D1.

The reason you're being so opportunistic is disgusting.

There he completly misreps me saying I am being opertunistic and claiming I am looking a newbie lynch..

Im not suggesting we lynch a newbie day 1 and no where have I said that.

You didn't say that, but it's a fact that Macro is a newbie.

He's your lynch for tomorrow, don't lie.

Here Hik even admits I didnt say it, then the I was thinking it crap comes in

False, I do not setup lynches on a day to day basis nor do I chain lynch. I do not even see Marco as scummy right now. I was just pointing out you cant excuse scummy on the newbie card.

Very nice misrep.

Of course you don't in game, but I'm just saying what's in your head.

That is where Nintendo pops in pushing the crap. The rest is all on this page.

Now point out there, where I was setting up a lynch, indicating I was setting up a lynch or show thought of setting up a lynch. Actually, you said I said I was setting up the lynch... NOW SHOW ME EXACTLY WHERE I SAID I WAS SETTING UP A LYNCH...

Nintendo is scum.

unvote
vote: Nintendo

[jasonT1981]

haha ninja'd by ShadowGuru

[ShadowGuru]

Forgot

FoS: Hiraki

IMO this is kind of normal Hiraki behavior aside from a lack of semi-lurky behavior. Maybe slightly abnormal in the misrepping departments but Hiraki will stay put as my #3 suspect for now.

Now, I don't have any meta on Nintendo, so I don't know if this is normal behavior. Until proven otherwise I think Nintendo is scum. Town has no motive for misrepping this hard.

--Wraith

[jasonT1981]

It gets majorly twisted to I was setting up a lynch tomorrow.

I say no... the case is now I was

thinking

it, and didn't deny it.

Out of your own mouth, no less.

OH WOW.. what a twist and complete misrep on what I said.

I was not admitting to thinking it, I was saying what your 'case' was that you are pushing on me.

Read it in the context it was meant. and stop misrepping what I said.

[marco1610]

Does anyone besides me feel that I'm being used as a set piece?

Think of it this way:

Jason says not lynching someone just because he's a newbie is wrong. Hiraki and nintendo harass Jason and put words in his mouth to implicate him.

People already think I'm acting scummy or whatever. And people would also conclude that lynching a newbie is easier to pull off than a veteran.

It's almost as if Hiraki KNOWS I'm town and defended me so as to appear town when and if I am killed/lynched.

[Hiraki]

The big fall through in Jason's big attack is that I thought he was scum before Jason.

Jason isn't even that big of a point. In fact, I was just having a little bit of fun by way of pestering Jason.

Nothing big. But I guess he would try to make a mountain out of a molehill from it. It's the only thing that's been pointed towards him thus far. (pst. you should read into what this is saying)

[Hiraki]

Hiraki is scummy and misguided as town, and I haven't played with him as scum at all.

SpyreX, we gon' run this town yah?

You're calling me a VI?

sadface.

[nintendoaddict1]

Usually Hiraki would have something to say at this point regarding me, so, Hiraki? What do you think of this jason x NA1?

[Hiraki]

Sigh. Nintendo.

Just sheep.

[jasonT1981]

Nintendo, why have you ignored our posts proving you are misreppnig..especially the 'I actually said it' claim by you that has been proven wrong and why are you sticking so close to Hiraki? you really are sheeping him to the point I feel you could be trying to buddy him.

[jasonT1981]

Ninja'd again, this time by Hiraki

[nintendoaddict1]

Nintendo, why have you ignored our posts proving you are misreppnig..especially the 'I actually said it' claim by you that has been proven wrong and why are you sticking so close to Hiraki? you really are sheeping him to the point I feel you could be trying to buddy him.

Oh, me? I'm not gonna answer your questions, I'm just gonna dodge around them.

Sound familiar? It's what you were doing. I haven't ignored them. See? I gave you an answer right there and you know what? It wasn't hard. I never said you said "I set up the lynch". Who's misrepping now?

And I'm not that stupid as to go and try to buddy to someone who is always gonna think I'm scum anyway.

[Hiraki]

Nintendo.

Your case is fucking horrible.

Shut up.

[jasonT1981]

I never said you said "I set up the lynch". Who's misrepping now?

Oh really?

contradiction.

He said he was thinking of setting up the lynch, then later, asks me to find somewhere he said he was thinking of setting up the lynch.

Check my last post.

It gets majorly twisted to I was setting up a lynch tomorrow.

I say no... the case is now I was

thinking

it, and didn't deny it.

Out of your own mouth, no less.

[jasonT1981]

Nintendo, why have you ignored our posts proving you are misreppnig..especially the 'I actually said it' claim by you that has been proven wrong and why are you sticking so close to Hiraki? you really are sheeping him to the point I feel you could be trying to buddy him.

Oh, me? I'm not gonna answer your questions, I'm just gonna dodge around them.

Sound familiar?

No, I had nothing to answer what-so ever as has been pointed out to you by quite a few people as I had never said or said I thought) in the first place.. I didn't dodge anything because I had no case to answer, and frankly what you were pushing was so funny it was absurd. . You however do have a lot to answer for!

I had nothing to answer therefor didn't have to answer anything

you however have been proven to be constantly misrepping me and twisting that I am misrepping you. You have a lot to answer for.

[Rhinox]

Nintendo.

Your case is fucking horrible.

Shut up.

This, pretty much.

Spyrex, what are your thoughts on the Jason/NA1/Hiraki love triangle going on? I noticed this post you made, oh I guess it was only yesterday but it seems longer back:

??

So you want them lynched because newbies don't deserve passes BUT not day 1?

Has this been addressed in your opinion? I'm interested in hearing where you were going with this question.

[Hiraki]

Hmm.

I was going to dedicate this post to Nintendo-town, but I have an itch this is like something I've never seen before.

Nintendo is null for the moment, pending further investigation.

[nintendoaddict1]

I never said you said "I set up the lynch". Who's misrepping now?

Oh really?

contradiction.

He said he was thinking of setting up the lynch, then later, asks me to find somewhere he said he was thinking of setting up the lynch.

Check my last post.

It gets majorly twisted to I was setting up a lynch tomorrow.

I say no... the case is now I was

thinking

it, and didn't deny it.

Out of your own mouth, no less.

Never said you set up the lynch. I said you were THINKING about it. And I've said this, what, three times now? Yet, you are still trying to say I said you WERE setting up the lynch, when all along I have been saying you were THINKING about it.

[Hiraki]

Never said you set up the lynch. I said you were THINKING about it. And I've said this, what, three times now? Yet, you are still trying to say I said you WERE setting up the lynch, when all along I have been saying you were THINKING about it.

Jason didn't even think of a Macro lynch until I started to talk about it. He talked about it after that.

In fact, Jason hasn't even commented on anything Macro related until ISO 20(Post 209).

So? you can't just give people free passes on the Newbie card, its dangerous. Scummy is scummy regardless of new or seasoned. If you think someone is scummy, you vote them.

He commented on my behavior, not Macro himself. He put Macro in the null category.

However, I have noticed something. I obv. took a peek into Nintendo's meta. There is one thing that stands out between his scum meta and town meta. It's fairly noticeable, and happening here.

He can't think he's wrong about anything.

00's Band Mafia, There Will Be A Mafia, and Mini 1156 are my standards for this conclusion. It really shows in Mini 1156 between him and Pine. Especially the Town Gunsmith point.

Moving on, Ender still needs to die.

[nintendoaddict1]

It really shows in Mini 1156 between him and Pine.

iirc Pine was scum there.

[ShadowGuru]

Nintendo.

Your case is fucking horrible.

Shut up.

Not that I disagree, but the funny thing is, Hiraki, nintendo's "case" is pretty much yours with another layer of craplogic on top.

--Wraith

[marco1610]

It's almost as if Hiraki is trying to have nintendo take all the heat on this one.

[Hiraki]

Nintendo.

Your case is fucking horrible.

Shut up.

Not that I disagree, but the funny thing is, Hiraki, nintendo's "case" is pretty much yours with another layer of craplogic on top.

--Wraith

except not really

at all.

It really shows in Mini 1156 between him and Pine.

iirc Pine was scum there.

Yes, let's look at your amazing reasoning for it.

Pine - Pine was the first to vote. Pine was also the one who said on his next post that early bandwagons are good, but sheeping onto them without information is not. He even goes on to tell Quil off about it in post #96. He also states that Quil is pretty new to this in that same post, but then in post #103 he slams Quil again for acting scummy when he just said a few posts that Quil is new. So, Pine... Do you think Quil was acting scummy? Or do you think he is just new?

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 8#p3022478

Town Gunsmith

Umm, is there even a Mafia gunsmith? Unnecessary use of the word "Town" = caught scum is caught.

Yeah.

You totally caught Pinescum.

In fact, you were the major reason on getting him lynched. Not sure if it was because he was scummy though, or if everyone wanted you to shut up. Need to check on that though, pronto.

It's almost as if Hiraki is trying to have nintendo take all the heat on this one.

It's almost like Macro wants to call me scummy, but doesn't have the balls to do so.

Tell me, Macro, what are your reads at the present moment.

[SpyreX]

Seriously I just want to shoot marco SOO bad.

Hiraki I understand.

Reck I understand FOR NOW.

And no I don't think my jason question was answered.