Mini 1176: Dexter Season 2 (Game Over) Who Won?

[Blackberry]

If you've "modded enough" yet can't point to an example of something you "changed" this suggests there is a hole in your point that as a mod you changed something that is comparable to changing so that mafia have a fake ability-claim.

I.e., you just want to discredit my argument so you can continue to attack Kise, yet you have nothing to discount.

[Fargrass]

If you've "modded enough" yet can't point to an example of something you "changed" this suggests there is a hole in your point that as a mod you changed something that is comparable to changing so that mafia have a fake ability-claim.

I.e., you just want to discredit my argument so you can continue to attack Kise, yet you have nothing to discount.

Look at my account, has it modded anything? NO! Yet I've modded plenty of games. Draw the lines.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Blackberry's points about Socio and Kise both require a number of assumptions that I either believe to be unreasonable or plain incorrect.

KKN has basically gone radio silent in my opinion and I'm almost feeling his lynch more than tans.

Blackberry, Grassface has already unvoted so there's no pressure there and even if he had unvoted there is absolutely no possibility of me getting lynched with the town bloc in charge more or less and so again no pressure. Basically I'm on cruise control; I want to get the town bloc guys together and work on who we're lynching today and put this thing away.

[Blackberry]

If you've "modded enough" yet can't point to an example of something you "changed" this suggests there is a hole in your point that as a mod you changed something that is comparable to changing so that mafia have a fake ability-claim.

I.e., you just want to discredit my argument so you can continue to attack Kise, yet you have nothing to discount.

Look at my account, has it modded anything? NO! Yet I've modded plenty of games. Draw the lines.

Ya I was just looking at that X_x. I assume that means you wish to be anonymous?

[Kise]

Well I've been in games where the mafia and SK have to trade nights. The mafia would get odd nights and the SK got even nights. In fact:
http://www.kapowgfx.com/forums/index.ph ... 1#msg22141

@DDD: KKN lynch?

[Blackberry]

Blackberry's points about Socio and Kise both require a number of assumptions that I either believe to be unreasonable or plain incorrect.

KKN has basically gone radio silent in my opinion and I'm almost feeling his lynch more than tans.

Blackberry, Grassface has already unvoted so there's no pressure there and even if he had unvoted there is absolutely no possibility of me getting lynched with the town bloc in charge more or less and so again no pressure. Basically I'm on cruise control; I want to get the town bloc guys together and work on who we're lynching today and put this thing away.

What points require a number of assumptions that are unreasonable or incorrect?

Kise already admits he wasn't roleblocked. Point for Blackberry.

[Fargrass]

In my original post in which I voted DDD I wrote that I liked him as a player and thought he was town, but I thought that may look bad with me voting for him in the same post. I don't think DDD is scum, but I just don't think that he has gotten very much attention.

P-Edit:
Good job BB.

P-Edit again:
@Kise I've developed 3 set ups that do that exact thing.

P-Edit hopefully the last time:
Yes a point indeed.

[Blackberry]

DDD hiding behind his "Town voting block" strikes me as non-townish. Don't you WANT us to think you're town?

[Kise]

[1]

SocioPath

(Blackberry)

wtf?

[Blackberry]

Vote: Socio

I may or may not change it soon, not sure yet. Leaning possibly Fargrass. It's probably not good for me to not be paying attention to KKN though.

Most Likely:
* Socio/Fargrass?
* DDD/Socio?

Possible:
* KKN/Fargrass?
* KKN/Socio?
* DDD/KKN?

Unlikely:

* DDD/Fargrass?

Tans and VP are my two top town reads right now. Kise I believe is not a

mafia

for the time being. Traitor or something weird I can see (survivor-turned-mafia). We'll see...

[VP Baltar]

Again, I reiterate, we're not lynching DDD. I don't know why you guys think he's low hanging fruit you're gonna go after or something because it's flat out not happening.

Next topic.

KKN, what up b?

[Blackberry]

Why isn't it happening?

Me & Kise & Socio & Fargrass & KKN & Tans can't all vote him? O_o

You don't think it's beneficial for the TOWN to see how he reacts so the rest of us can get a good read on him?

[VP Baltar]

If I have a town read on DDD, it means he's town. If I was uncertain on him, it means he's probably scum.

I don't think it's beneficial for the town to waste their time pressuring town players, no. I don't really care what your reads are on him. Even if you DID suspect him, there are much bigger fish to fry (ie, KKN, Socio, Kise, Tans, etc.) So let's not waste our breath on pointless arguments over nothing.

[Blackberry]

Pick one of KKN, Socio, Fargrass to fry then, and let's fry X_x.

[tanstalas]

Pick one of

KKN

, Socio,

Fargrass

to fry then, and let's fry X_x.

I'm down for either of the bolded.

[tanstalas]

I'd be down for a DDD lynch over KKN, but I think that would be a tough sell

[Fargrass]

Why isn't it happening?

Me & Kise & Socio & Fargrass & KKN & Tans can't all vote him? O_o

You don't think it's beneficial for the TOWN to see how he reacts so the rest of us can get a good read on him?

At this stage no it's not beneficial, which is why I unvoted him, if in day 3 you still have a town read on him, then it is to late to pressure fish.

[Blackberry]

Unvote

Re-skimmed Hindu and how he pressured Socio before there was even a claim...

Also noticed his lack of interaction with

Fargrass

(i.e., not quoting and responding).

Vote: Fargrass

[Fargrass]

Haha wow BB, you just think everyone is scum now don't you!

[VP Baltar]

Me & Kise & Socio & Fargrass & KKN & Tans can't all vote him? O_o

You know what the worst part is, there are actually town players in this list. If you guys would prove your town through your play, I'd totally like to make you a part of the voting bloc. But people keep switching their reads like a compass at the north pole, flat out lying (Kise) or expecting to skate by with no real contribution. And you want to lynch DDD for his play when he's been giving reads and opinions all game. But hey, he doesn't post walls therefore he's scum. Give me a break.

BB, I've been trying to work with you despite my PoE misgivings. I mean, look at the Budja lynch:

[7] Budja (

Debonair Danny DiPietro

, tanstalas,

Locke Lamora, Amrun, VP Baltar

, LynchMePls, Kise

)

If I call you town (and I've liked your more recent play) that doesn't really leave me a lot of people to believe are scum. But following your opinions, you're saying this was an all-town wagon. Pretty improbable in my opinion. Needless to say, I think clearing Tans or Kise doesn't make much sense.

[VP Baltar]

*prove you are town through your play

[Blackberry]

I think everyone is scum until proven otherwise. ^_^

Not Mafia: VP, Tans, Kise

...

Far's turn to bat.

...

I can still see Kise-Traitor or perhaps Tans-SK... If there is a SK, Far & Tans are prime suspects and there is factual reasonings behind that.

... I actually did not realize/look at the Budja wagon... I don't think it's IMPOSSIBLE scum isn't on it... although DDD and possible-traitor Kise are on it... Maybe scum didn't want to look suspect and thus didn't want to hammer but Kise's hammer caught them off-guard.

[Blackberry]

I am going to look into this Budja wagon thing because it does look particularly odd to me though and makes me confused and I don't know why X_X.

[tanstalas]

I was second on the Budja wagon, and voted the same day DDD did and kept my vote on him until he was lynched.

[6] Hinduragi (SocioPath, Kise, Fargrass,

tanstalas

,

Amrun

, Debonair Danny DiPietro)

This wagon has a hell of a lot more unknowns.

Lets take a look at DDD:

On the 21st:

My statement was based on my current town reads on them and doesn't necessarily extend into the past (though in Sotty's case it does); I didn't have a town read on Socio at that time and thus didn't step up; I do now and thus would. You really are desperate aren't you?

And on the 24th he posted:

@DDD, Hinduragui and Sotty - What are your feelings on KKN?

Undercontributor who when he does contributes provides mostly bland content. Probably my third choice after farside and hindu.

So just to keep track, UP UNTIL THE 24th he thought Socio was TOWN and Hindu was his 3rd choice for SCUM

Even on the 26th:

I think I've made it clear my order of preference is farside, Hindu and KKN in that order. And thus your Blackberry/tans push doesn't really do much of anything for me.

Hindu was still one of his favorites to lynch

2 days later on the 28th:

On a quick review Hind's play seems consistent with his claim so either he is a tracker or has just his claim up very well.

Wait, what? So the previous week you thought Socio was town and Hindu was scum, then when he claims tracker you pull a 360 then say 'oh yeah seems legit'

Then the hammer:

Thought about it some more on the drive home from work; still think Hindu is more likely scum than Sociopath.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Hinduragi

Which was 61 posts later, on the same day, I think DDD tried to save his buddy, then when he saw all the activity that day (61 posts in less than 4 hours) he probably figured that Hindu was toast anyways and decided to hammer his buddy for some town-Cred

DAMNIT VPB - OPEN YOUR EYES

[Kise]

Nice. I commend you, tans, and I'd feel like shit if I tried to defend DDD. I'll link to a game later, as I think other's opinions should be absorbed before I share what I know.