I find the push on Jily for ‘fence-sitting’ to be very weak. The lack of commentary is more fair but I don’t see it as strongly scummy at this very early stage of the game.
@Zinger
– are you going to do any actual scum-hunting this game as opposed to just paraphrasing flavor from “My Name is Earl”?
PATB’s post re: Andrew at
140
is good-posting.
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Vifam wrote:Gah, didn't even notice that. I agree with this.
VOTE: Jillynne
UNVOTE: Rodion
VOTE: Vifam
This is the second time you’ve hopped right after someone else’s vote with “Me Too” reasoning (the first was my vote on Rodion). I’m not seeing anything that looks like actual scum-hunting in your back and forth with Marco or any of your other posts.
I disagree with the fence-sitting portion of the attack.
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Easjo wrote:Says who? last year when the conversion happened, my computer/internet didn't agree with the new board, so I couldn't really do anything.
You flaked and were lynched before you could be replaced at deadline Day 1 in Mini 937, which happened well before the conversion.
So that explanation is out the door.
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KillerJ wrote:No, I played SC2 custom map a bit and found my way here independently. I've never heard of vezok before this thread.
Ok, so why did you say you didn’t see any reasons to not wagon Vezok if you have no previous knowledge of his play?
You do get strong Town points for noting that DavidX didn’t answer my question and bringing it up.
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Pappums wrote:1. I have never, ever, ever seen a townie label their vote as being in RVS. Have you ever done this before? Have you even seen other townies do this before?
It’s a pretty common occurrence, IMO. I thought about going through your completed games to see if it had happened before in games you played but lost the drive for that long slog.
@Pappums
– I second the notion that you divulge whether this is an Alt account or a Hydra account.
Pappums wrote:No, that is fine of course, I just saw it as going after an easy target.
Ok, please explain the process you use to differentiate between valid pressuring and ‘going after an easy target’, which is growing to be one of my top 5 hated phrases here on MS.
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Rodion wrote:I never said "fullclaim now". I said: "if you're really going to pursue this speedlynch idea over his unfortunate comment regarding the mass nameclaim, at least give him the opportunity to full claim".
As has been pointed out that’s not what you said but what you intended to say. I personally read it very differently. It may well be a case of awkward phrasing so I’m not going to look at it any further.
Rodion wrote:1 - Well, I am a mislynch. Period. Granted, scum would claim to be town as well, but I'm not appealing to emotion as much as stating a fact, fact being "I am town".
That’s exactly why it is an Appeal to Emotion. You are stating as a ‘fact’ that you are Town with no other support than “I know my Role-PM”. Scum, again, are just as likely to say exactly that. Town shows they are Town via solid play, not by saying “I’m a mislynch”.
Rodion wrote:2a - ConquerClub. It's actually a site for the board game "Risk", but the forums are big and there is a mafia subforum. Here's the link to the subforum:
I took a quick glance at some games going on and some of the “Here’s Mafia” informational threads. My gut first impression is that the general level of play is not as high as here but certainly not anywhere near as primitive as other sites.
Rodion wrote:2b - Yes, we regularly assume that recent signed up players have no mafia experience, unless they claim otherwise.
Well here on MS if you are playing outside “The Road to Rome” it is pretty much standard practice to assume you have sufficent skill levels to play with the ‘big boys’.
Rodion wrote:2c - Obviously, roles are given out randomly and new players are not "immune" to being scum, so they can and should be pressured.
Problem is, if you don't have strong evidence against the "newbies",
making a tempest in a teapot seems like an attempt to go for the easy lynch and, as such, is viewed as a scum tell.
Bolded for emphasis – the thread has barely been open 72 hours. What level of ‘strong evidence’ are you expecting at this stage of the game. Pressuring players is part of developing reads.
"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
Pretty much Geriatric game restricted at this point ... unless there are players I REALLY want to play with.
If there is a doctor, please protect him ZeL1nk. Is there some game mechanic that I am missing? I thought everyone was in agreement to not claim D1?
