New York 134: Planet of Hats (Scum Win!)

[Palisade]

Let's run through the list of scumtells, shall we?

I have received a Guilty result on SleepyKrew.

Convenient, that NS has a guilty when Reck says anything other than a Guilty will result in an NS lynch.

Additionally, why investigate SleepyKrew, rather than, oh, say, Khan? chkballin?

Lynch me, and you lose a cop. Set your personal feelings for me aside, please, and work with my role. Deal?

Appeal to Emotion.

Lynch Sleepy, and if he does somehow flip town, you know I'm insane

Attempting to justify a flip NS KNOWS will be town, Non-Sane cops are Banned from Normals by the Normal RuleSet.

feel free to kill me overnight, if you must

Makes me lean towards NK-immune Godfather as his role. We lynch Sleepy, we try to kill NS, the kill fails, we have to waste a second lynch on NS.

but then realize that Celebloki is Not Innocent. (I am unclear whether an insane Innocent would equal scum or 3rd party; I don't have a lot of experience as a Cop, sorry.)

Tries to leave a scenario where Celebloki wouldn't be scum. (At least, not Mafia.) Additionally, this is awfully convenient to say "Celebloki could be SK..." immediately after Reck says it, no?

*insert image of "there are no words for that fail" here*

[Nobody Special]

The sanity requirement in a Normal game was not my top priority. I'm trying to do what's best for town, thus I trotted out all the options I could think of.

Since I am sane, then, Sleepy is scum and Celebloki is innocent.

Best Case: Lynch Sleepy and gain a bit of belief in my role.

Worst case: Lynch me, find out I'm telling the truth, lose your last cop. (I HIGHLY doubt there's three cops in a game this size. Unpossible.)

IF YOU DO LYNCH ME TODAY, lynch Sleepy tomorrow. After I flip Town Cop. You know?

[SleepyKrew]

[Nobody Special]

There are 15 players left. Is it worth it to lynch Sleepy in order to realize you really do have a cop?

Also, take note of how hard Sleepy is trying to discredit me.

[Palisade]

{KoC, DGB, Reck, JDGA, Sleepy, bvoigt}
KoC, lynched.
DGB, possible-red-herring, possible-real-investigation.
BV, same thing.
Reck, HIS VOTE YESTERDAY.

WHY NOT RECK?!? Or, heck, Why not JDGA? Why Sleepy? It makes no sense.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: SleepyKrew

Otherwise, Nobody Special is trading a 1 for 1, and I get the impression from other games that scum doesn't do that.

[Palisade]

chkballin is scum. Why else wouldn't NS put chk in the list of possible investigations, despite not being thrilled with him?

A VOTE FOR RECK!

VOTE STAYED UNTIL THE END OF THE DAY!

WHY WASN'T RECK INVESTIGATED, NS?!? WHY DID YOU NOT INVESTIGATE

THE GUY YOU WERE VOTING

?!?

NOBODY SPECIAL IS FAKECLAIMING SCUM. SLEEPYKREW IS CONFIRMED TOWN. CELEBLOKI AND CHKBALLIN ARE SCUMPARTNERS OF NOBODY SPECIAL.

MAKE THIS LYNCH HAPPEN.

[Nobody Special]

{KoC, DGB, Reck, JDGA, Sleepy, bvoigt}
KoC, lynched.
DGB, possible-red-herring, possible-real-investigation.
BV, same thing.
Reck, HIS VOTE YESTERDAY.

WHY NOT RECK?!? Or, heck, Why not JDGA? Why Sleepy? It makes no sense.

The red-herrings in my list were DGB and JDGA.

I investigated Sleepy because KoC got lynched, and bvoigt was less scummy to me. I had a feeling Reck might die overnight. I am actually leaning town on Reck right now; I think Reck is letting his emotions get the better of him.

[xRECKONERx]

Yeah I really wanna lynch NS right now but he could've just given us one of his scumbuddies anyway so why not lynch Sleepy

SHOULD ALSO NOTE that him not investigating me and now going 'lol i was leaning town on reck' is fucking stupid

[Palisade]

What.

No, seriously.

What on earth.

Changed your read.

From Reck-scum.
To Reck-Killed-At-Night.

We obviously weren't going to shoot him.
That'd mean that--to your knowledge--the only people who could shoot Reck would be scum.
Yet that'd require Reck to not be scum.

WHAT CHANGED?

NOTHING!

[Celebloki]

I am weary of NS but agree that Sleepy is a better lynch.

Unvote

Vote: SleepyKrew

[Nobody Special]

I am actually

leaning town on Reck right now;

I think Reck is letting his emotions get the better of him.

and now going 'lol i was leaning town on reck'

Bolded because apparently you can't read.

In other news, I've really got to get some work done; I likely won't be back in this thread for a couple of hours.

[Auckmid]

Hey guys, I'm the newest addition to the game

Don't mean to be a newb, but why does Palisade keep on writing a measage, then sighning it Redhead? Who the hell is Redhead???

[Palisade]

DGB. Reck.

SLEEPYKREW!

bv. They're all confirmed-town, now.

NOBODY SPECIAL

!

Celebloki. chkballin. THEY'RE ALL CONFIRMED SCUM AND NEED TO DIE IN A FIRE!!!

One more scumbag to nail, and we've got this game as a guaranteed win.

[Palisade]

Let me explain to you in the bluntest terms why SleepyKrew is confirmed-town due to the move NS just pulled.

NS claimed Cop, with a Guilty on SleepyKrew.

And left open an option of SleepyKrew flipping town. "If SleepyKrew flips town, you'll know I'm insane."

THIS IS A SCUMSLIP, BECAUSE IT REVEALS THAT

NOBODY SPECIAL

KNOWS

ALREADY

THAT SLEEPYKREW WILL FLIP TOWN

.

If SleepyKrew were scum with NS, there'd be no need for NS to leave that clause about possibly being insane, because NOBODY SPECIAL WOULD KNOW THE RESULT TO BE ACCURATE.

So, NOBODY SPECIAL IS NOT BUSSING WITH THE SLEEPYKREW VOTE. SLEEPYKREW IS TOWN.

[xRECKONERx]

ATTENTION NOBODY SPECIAL

YOU HAVE YET TO EXPLAIN WHY I SUDDENLY BECAME 'OH MY FUCKING GOD TOWN READ' OVERNIGHT

[Thor665]

@Palisade - please describe the worst case scenario you're seeing here? Y'know, the one where Sleepy is town, NS is scum who is NK immune from you and we have to then lynch him tomorrow. Really? Is that so disatrous you see us needing to take the gamble that NS is def not cop today in order to save the super pro-town force of Sleepy?

Really?

I'll agree I think one of you or NS is lying, so if NS is lying it clears you up nicely, but I'm not sure I see the advantage in not playing the safe game. What am I missing?

[Celebloki]

@Palisade, I don't think that sentence is as black and white as you think it is. He probably put it in because I put a vote on him. I probably switched in his mind from Innocent to guilty and it made him wonder if he was insane. I didn't know previously that there can't be not-sane comes in Normal so I am inclined to believe that he didn't know either.

[Palisade]

Goddamnit. And here I was hoping that Thor would be a voice of reason and convince Reck to lynch Nobody Special.

APPARENTLY YOU GUYS ARE JUST TOO FOND OF FOLLOWING THE "COP" WHO IS ACTING

EXACTLY

LIKE A SCUM FAKECLAIM.

If we lynch SleepyKrew, Sleepy will flip town.
If we vig NS and NS is kill-immune, we lose a better vig-shot as well as a pro-town player.
Then we'd lynch NS.
If we're still alive, we get another vig, sure, but the scum also get a free kill on ANOTHER pro-town player.

And that's not accounting for this third, likely-SK-kill. That adds an additional two (most likely pro-town) deaths every night. Leaving us with five dead town instead of two. You can see the difference.

Additionally, an NS-scumflip today would condemn chkballin and Celebloki for the reasons I outlined earlier.

Now, compare that to lynching NS. IF NS was SOMEHOW town, then we simply vig SleepyKrew. We lose three town, sure, but we are free to lynch scum tomorrow.

But WHEN NS flips scum, we'd have lost nothing beyond normal, and gained a freakin huge plus.

[Celebloki]

@NS How is your investiate results PMs worded? Mafia/Not Mafia or Town/Not-Town?

[xRECKONERx]

PALISADE.
TELL ME IN WHAT WORLD NS IS KILL IMMUNE SCUM FAKECLAIMING AS COP WHICH IS A SUREFIRE WAY TO GET HIMSELF LYNCHED

PLEASE TELL ME HOW THAT'S OPTIMAL SCUMPLAY

[Wraith]

@Auckmid:

Palisade is a "hydra account." A hydra account is an account shared by two or more different players. These players sign up into a game and post in said game using that one account. The purpose of a hydra account is to both/either lessen the work load on an individual player and/or let 2+ different minds debate on the game. "Redhead" is a pseudoname used by one Palisade "heads."

I'll put up a votecount after work tonight.

[PeregrineV]

Goddamnit. And here I was hoping that Thor would be a voice of reason and convince Reck to lynch Nobody Special.

APPARENTLY YOU GUYS ARE JUST TOO FOND OF FOLLOWING THE "COP" WHO IS ACTING

EXACTLY

LIKE A SCUM FAKECLAIM.

If we lynch SleepyKrew, Sleepy will flip town.
If we vig NS and NS is kill-immune, we lose a better vig-shot as well as a pro-town player.
Then we'd lynch NS.
If we're still alive, we get another vig, sure, but the scum also get a free kill on ANOTHER pro-town player.

And that's not accounting for this third, likely-SK-kill. That adds an additional two (most likely pro-town) deaths every night. Leaving us with five dead town instead of two. You can see the difference.

Additionally, an NS-scumflip today would condemn chkballin and Celebloki for the reasons I outlined earlier.

Now, compare that to lynching NS. IF NS was SOMEHOW town, then we simply vig SleepyKrew. We lose three town, sure, but we are free to lynch scum tomorrow.

But WHEN NS flips scum, we'd have lost nothing beyond normal, and gained a freakin huge plus.

Conversely, use your lynch on one of the others, and if SleepyKrew isn't town we lynch NS tomorrow.

[Auckmid]

I do not think that NS is lieing (why would he?). He has to rearlize that there will be concequences if Sleepykrew turns out townie.

Palisade is a total mystery to me, and I wouldn't say him being scum is out of the question.

For now, I'm voting with NS. While reading through the thread, SleepyKrew struck me as a Scumy sort of character.

Vote:SleepyKrew

[xRECKONERx]

Auckmid, if Palisade is scum, and not the vigilante, why were there three kills?