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Post Post #650 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:28 am

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Two scum teams seems unlikely, especially for the reasoning you've stated Juls. Assumption of two scum teams would mean that there's a vig in the setup causing Pines death meaning there would be three killing roles a night with the possibilty of it being four if the bookie bookies correctly which is something I believe Slaxx would have avoided when creating this setup.

I do however agree that he likely bookied Parabollocks if he bookied therefore I don't believe Parabollocks is the best lynch for today even though he's my strongest scum-read. No, I'm not claiming vig, just stating that I did a massive detailed re-read of the thread during the night with a great deal of my reads changing in strength upon doing so. In the process of compiling them, I'll post what I have at the current moment though.

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Nintendo11, Gaoth, Juls, ToD, Gorilla, CES, Groundsel, CSL, DemonHybrid, Nikandor.
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CMAR, Diddin.
Scum Reads (Strongest to Weakest):
Parabollocks, Seraphim, AntB, Powerrox93.

1. Nintendo, as stated in my previous reads list screams of noob town furthermore Pines actions towards him and his actions towards Pine throughout the entire of day one make it highly unlikely for them to be partners solidifying my town read of Nintendo. I swear to god if a single person attempts to suggest a lynch on him, I will find them and...

2. Gaoth, this read is highly dependant on meta, his actions and motivations behind his posts read as highly similar to 00's Band mafia furthermore his reads list although I disagree with part of it reads as geninue scumhunting.

3. Juls, although she was intially one of my scum reads her reaction, frustration and rage shown at the end of day one along with her suggestion to claim all read as strong town-tells and at this point I'd be quite shocked if she were scum.

4. ToD, prior to the Pine scum flip he was actually one of my weaker scum reads however Pines attitude and reaction the fake daykill on ToD makes it highly unlikely for him to be scum. The amount htat Pine defended the shot on ToD was extreme and an amount a scum partner wouldn't stick out their neck for a partner they seemed dead already.

5. Gorilla, his power role claim and retraction looking back at it reads as a decent town-tell, I don't believe he would be so balsy to attempt to draw attention towards himself in a situation like that.

6. CES, he's a man of few words though his motivations and reads are something that I agree with to a strong extent and his want and desire to have vig shots at the end of day one reads as geninue town especially with the EPM town flip occuring, with that said I need to read into who pushed that lynch strongly because there's scum involved without a doubt.

7. Groundsel, as stated earlier he shows a geninue attempt at scumhunting and providing his thoughts, his alt incident reads as mostly a null tell though I do agree tha this reaction towards the pressure placed was slightly odd thus the decrease in strength of this read.

8. DemonHybrid, this weak is relatively weak in comparison to my other town reads however I believe his actions at the start of the game were all town motivated though I NEED to hear more from him asap.

9. Nikandor, this is a read I've been contemplating quite a bit recently, I'm hesitant in placing him in my town read section however it's where I would place him if forced to take a stance. A great deal of his actions read as geninue though I can't help but feel somethings wrong.

10. CMAR, need more content badly.

11. Diddin, need more content badly.

12. Parabollocks, this read hasn't changed if anything it's just increased in strength, the hammer was survivalistic which I can understand to be a null tell however his continous refrainment from stating reads on everyone reads as a complete difference from his town game in 00's mafia.

13. Seraphim, I'll go into this more later because this read I'm attempting to work out what continues to make me believe it, I constantly go back to his reaction towards Nintendos attack and his push on Nintendo looking awful but there's something more than that which is bugging me about him.

14. AntB, I asked about peoples thoughts on him day one and have read through his posts multiple times since, his lack of any real scumhunting (Just jumping from place to place) screams as scum though I do need to read some of his past games to see if that's just his normal play or not.

15. Powerrox, this is diffcult because I've seen townPowerrox and scumPowerrox play in the past and found both to be quite scummy though the motivations behind his actions in this game don't read as geninue at all.

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Post Post #651 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:29 am

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Juls wrote:Hmmmm that is pretty weird lol. You may be over thinking it. It probably just meant that two of (SK/Scum/Vig) targetted her and one of (SK/Vig) targetted Pine. That is more likely and chasing down "who would Furry have protected" is not a good way to scum hunt because it is probably not true.

But I love puzzles. :(

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Post Post #652 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:37 am

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yeah, that night phase lasted forever

ugh, if there are 2 scumteams...

anyways

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Post Post #653 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:39 am

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VOTE: Juls

dance with me darling.
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Post Post #654 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:41 am

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GUYS
DO I HAVE TO MAKE A CASE ON POWERROX? IS THAT SOMETHING I HAVE TO DO ALREADY?
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Post Post #655 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:43 am

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Nah.

Unvote, vote: Powerrox
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Post Post #656 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:45 am

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Nikanor wrote:GUYS DO I HAVE TO MAKE A CASE ON POWERROX? IS THAT SOMETHING I HAVE TO DO ALREADY?

I'm likely to move to Powerrox at somepoint during the day anyway but I'd still greatly appreciate a case. Also, alternate reads plz.
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Post Post #657 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:55 am

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UNVOTE:

Wait, hold up.

Does anyone remember where Juls was getting all frustrated and said she was about to claim?

i don't think that's scum attitude actually, but i am curious as to why we aren't seeing her in the graveyard right now, speculation, but still.
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Post Post #658 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:58 am

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Juls wrote:
I am seriously about to claim if no one objects
. I am not going to keep defending against a gambit that didn't materialize as anything.
Juls wrote:
I AM NOT SUSPICIOUS OF YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE AN ALT. I AM SUSPICIOUS OF YOU BECAUSE AFTER YOU WERE CAUGHT YOU LIED ABOUT IT.


Please, vig, if you think I am town, kill Groundsel with fire!
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Post Post #659 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:00 pm

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Regfan wrote:
Juls wrote:
I am seriously about to claim if no one objects
. I am not going to keep defending against a gambit that didn't materialize as anything.
Juls wrote:
I AM NOT SUSPICIOUS OF YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE AN ALT. I AM SUSPICIOUS OF YOU BECAUSE AFTER YOU WERE CAUGHT YOU LIED ABOUT IT.


Please, vig, if you think I am town, kill Groundsel with fire!

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Post Post #660 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:04 pm

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Haven't reread to look for connections to/from Pine yet, but Gaoth, Powerrox,
nintendo and Parabollocks
are all decent lynches. Bookie effect means I'll likely be avoiding nintendo and Parabollocks for today, since if they're town, they're plausible bookie targets. Since there's already a wagon there,
Vote: Powerrox93.


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And wow, Parabollocks needs to die as soon as it's safe (i.e., we don't have to worry about possible bookie-effects) - tonight or tomorrow would be really really great.
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Post Post #661 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:06 pm

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Oh that reminds me.

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Post Post #662 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:09 pm

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Trumpet, you really don't need to worry about bookie for me.

@RegFan

I hate to toot my own horn but i only spoke up when i needed to, otherwise, i was pretty lurky, don't try to speculate my motives in that game, speculate the ones here.
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Post Post #663 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:11 pm

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I will gladly colour-code the playerlist, but I'm not gonna bother with a case if you're going to vote for him anyway.

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Post Post #664 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:16 pm

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Parabollocks wrote:Trumpet, you really don't need to worry about bookie for me.

:eyebrow: I can only think of a few things that would make you confident about that, and most of them mean you need to die either N2 or D3.
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Post Post #665 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:20 pm

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Powerrox I vaguely remember having a null read on, but I'll give him a look in ISO later.

Parabollocks looks like the most likely bookie target, but I could see ToD getting bookied as well.
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Post Post #666 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:21 pm

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Trumpet of Doom wrote:Since there's already a wagon there,
Vote: Powerrox93.

He sheeped... and admitted to sheeping...

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Post Post #667 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:21 pm

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don't see the power case.
oh yay, i love being scum.
don't see the AntB case.
gorilla is a huge maybe.
Gaoth is a huge no.
DH is a huge no.
Sera depends on the flip on nintendo, or vice-versa.
Juls is alright, but town.
Regfan is town, for sure.
CMAR is a maybe.
CSL is more of my more null reads.
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don't care about trumpet of doom.
See: Seraphim
Groundsel is town, yes.

did that backwards, derp.

@Trumpet

Then let it happen, would love to hear something more then what people have been saying.
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Post Post #668 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:53 pm

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I'll do some vote analysis on Powerrox so we can hurry this wagon along.
  • First vote: Furry.
    • 4th vote on the wagon.
    • Votes Furry for not answering his question; this is just an excuse to join the easy wagon.
    • Later confirms his vote because Furry faked the daykill.

  • Second vote: NintendoAddict1.
    • 7th vote on the wagon.
    • Votes Nintendo for ???. I really haven't a clue.
    • He was still focused on Furry's daykill in his previous post, but his suspicion of Furry seems to evaporate with the Furrywagon; Powerrox doesn't say a thing about Furry ever again.

  • Third vote: evilpacman18.
    • 7th vote on the wagon.
    • Votes evilpacman for EPM's Parabollock's vote. Probably just another excuse to hop on an easy wagon.
    • Again, he hops off the Nintendo wagon after it halts and gives no further mention of Nintendo for the rest of the game. Doing this once is scummy, but doing it twice is a scumclaim. Powerrox is opportunistic scum.
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Post Post #669 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:54 pm

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He totally FoSed me too.
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Post Post #670 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:55 pm

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My V/LA has just been extended from July 15-25 due to a death in the family. July 15-17 will be absolutely no access. Same for July 18-25. Bare with me please.
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Post Post #671 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:55 pm

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Alright, caught up on the thread, the extended night helped a bunch in that regard.

So let's see.

Didn't see Pine scum coming. I'm going to iso him and see what I can dig up.
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Post Post #672 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:56 pm

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EBWOP: by "same" I mean limited access
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Post Post #673 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:57 pm

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@CES: Yeah, I brought that up already though:
meeee wrote:Wow, you think? The best part is that he's FoS'd CES twice since his pacman vote but refuses to remove himself from the super-easy pacman wagon. All you have to do is look at his pacman vote to see that he's scum.
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Post Post #674 (ISO) » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:59 pm

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I know, but we were casifying, so I brought it again.
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