Mini 1202 Smalltown Mafia (Game Over!)

VP Baltar · Post Post #300 (ISO) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:47 am

I play from my hip, Juls. You've got to accept that. But, since I like you and I do think you could be town (which I thought was clear given how much leeway I've been giving you) I'll give you a full rundown even though I don't normally do these types of things D1.

Pappums - I did push on him hard. I felt strongly about it. I still think he has a decent chance of being scum. I did back off however because his explanation of his actions is somewhat convincing. Also, he's at least playing the game, so that means my read on him will only improve.

Beck - still scummy for the things I pointed out earlier. I think he does sound somewhat townish in some of his spat with you though. Which is why I hate those back and forths. It becomes nigh impossible to tell who is frustrated town and who is scum just trying to push buttons. I don't appreciate you fueling that kind of thing.

Budja - reasonably scummy for his following me like a puppy dog, and my vote is staying there at the moment.

Panacea - I haven't found her that scummy all game really, even when she was just being lazy. Her PBPA sucks because PBPAs suck and it felt kinda opportunistic. That being said, the vote was on beck, so.... Overall she comes across as noob town and I'm really not interested in lynching her.

charter - seems mostly town to me other than his persistence on only noobs.

hiplop - pretty shitty play, so I can understand why charter et al. don't like him to some degree. Gut says he's low hanging fruit though. I guess that balances to more of a null read than anything. I would like to see him be more involved in a significant way.

Phoebus - null and I think he's trying to stay there, which I don't like. At times he gets in the mix and early on he was at least pushing Panacea with some kind of passion, but he seems detached. Also want to see him get more involved.

Juls · Post Post #301 (ISO) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:52 am

Thanks. I am fine with your style of playing, I was just having a bit of trouble seeing where your head was. I don't recall that ever being a problem before. Then again, I have only played with you when you are scum (I think).

VP Baltar · Post Post #302 (ISO) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:53 am

Juls wrote:Thanks. I am fine with your style of playing, I was just having a bit of trouble seeing where your head was. I don't recall that ever being a problem before. Then again, I have only played with you when you are scum (I think).

Clearly you forgot Lost mafia when you were scum and I was bamboozled town (though I think you replaced out before that finished)

Juls · Post Post #303 (ISO) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 6:05 am

Oh right. I did forget about that one.

hiplop · Post Post #304 (ISO) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 6:08 am

not sure what to say...

VP Baltar · Post Post #305 (ISO) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 6:23 am

Beck · Post Post #306 (ISO) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 6:32 am

Beck - still scummy for the things I pointed out earlier. I think he does sound somewhat townish in some of his spat with you though. Which is why I hate those back and forths. It becomes nigh impossible to tell who is frustrated town and who is scum just trying to push buttons. I don't appreciate you fueling that kind of thing.

Can you point out these earlier reasons?

The one I saw when you voted is eerily similar to why you now think I could be frustrated town, I want to make sure I didn't miss something

To me it just seems like you aren't really sure on anyone right now

I'm glad hip is stepping up his activity with quality posts....

Beck · Post Post #307 (ISO) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 6:32 am

^ the quote and question was to VP

VP Baltar · Post Post #308 (ISO) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 6:35 am

What the fuck do you mean it doesn't seem like I'm sure on anyone? My reads are crystal clear and summed up in a single post. How much clearer can I be?

As far as pointing out earlier reasons why I found you scummy, that'd involve me just requoting myself and that seems pointless.

Beck · Post Post #309 (ISO) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 6:41 am

it looked like you are sure on 1 person for a reason I'll have to re-read and see if he is actually following you, the rest you have as null or leaning scummy

That's basically what you said right

VP Baltar · Post Post #310 (ISO) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 6:46 am

so you're saying I have one scum read and then I listed everyone else as null leaning scummy? That's what you got out of that post?

Beck · Post Post #311 (ISO) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 6:51 am

No, it looks like

Budja - scummy

Me, pappums - leaning scummy

Everyone else is town or null

VP Baltar · Post Post #312 (ISO) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 6:56 am

you can throw hiplop back on the scummy pile after his last post (shows what I get for second guessing myself there). I am having trouble with that slot because you REALLY want him lynched and you give me bad feelings 90 percent of the time. So, if I had to rank those names it'd probably be Budja, Beck, hiplop, pappums.

Beck · Post Post #313 (ISO) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:07 am

ok luckily looking over Budja's ISO was easy cause of how short it is .....

His first vote, he puts Phoebus at L-2 following VP and Juls
he later unvotes after a vote count shows he is the only one still voting for phoebus
he votes for Juls cause he feels similar to what charter had said
votes for pappums because VP's case was good
he later says he doesn't like my play but that is after a vote count shows I have 2 votes and VP is voting me
than his last post he acts like hip hasn't been at L-2 for 4 days now when he asks about the pressure with hip.

so I can actually see where VP gets that Budja is following him, or people in general, majority of his posts seem to be more copying others reads or follwing what the vote count is dictating.

p.edit

i'm beginning to doubt my case on hip, his recent posts have been full of content and useful information.... (in case it wasn't already impled this is sarcasm)

This is why I am not changing my vote off of him just yet, he isn't doing anything usefull.

hiplop · Post Post #314 (ISO) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:19 am

Im trying. Have a hard time getting into games early on, i've been posting content against you/charter.

VP Baltar · Post Post #315 (ISO) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:29 am

trying to meta hiplop is like staring into the center of the sun.

hiplop · Post Post #316 (ISO) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:40 am

im unmeta-able, and its not even on purpose, i just really don't play all that different as scum/town. Depends on my mood more than alignment.

VP Baltar · Post Post #317 (ISO) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:42 am

no one is unmetable. I just find it hard to make sense of your play as either alignment.

Beck · Post Post #318 (ISO) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:43 am

hiplop wrote:im unmeta-able, and its not even on purpose, i just really don't play all that different as scum/town. Depends on my mood more than alignment.

Links to town/scum games please?

I'll glance them over for fun

hiplop · Post Post #319 (ISO) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:44 am

VP Baltar wrote:no one is unmetable. I just find it hard to make sense of your play as either alignment.

lots are; meta is trash and its how scum lynches town.

hiplop · Post Post #320 (ISO) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:44 am

click my wiki, dont be lazy

hiplop · Post Post #321 (ISO) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:45 am

my only scum games here were my very first games, so it really shows nothing

VP Baltar · Post Post #322 (ISO) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:45 am

hiplop wrote:
VP Baltar wrote:no one is unmetable. I just find it hard to make sense of your play as either alignment.

lots are; meta is trash and its how scum lynches town.

meta is not trash at all, you just have to know how to do it.

hiplop · Post Post #323 (ISO) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:46 am

No its trash, by anyone who does it.

Beck · Post Post #324 (ISO) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:46 am

I'd like Budja to explain why he sheeps VP and Charter on 2 of his votes