Ender's Game Mafia (Over)

Internet Stranger · Post Post #150 (ISO) » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:49 am

So how much lurking can Scumwriter continue to do before he stops being "null"?

Voidedmafia · Post Post #151 (ISO) » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:54 am

Internet Stranger wrote:So how much lurking can Scumwriter continue to do before he stops being "null"?

When it becomes active lurking for an unnecessary length of time, at which point he will begin leaning toward scum. Not outright scum, as I do not believe that active lurking in and of itself is grounds for any sort of lynch except getting rid of weak links, but he'd get to the point where he'd be a fallback suspect should any of my other more sturdy scumreads change.

GhostWriter · Post Post #152 (ISO) » Sat Jul 16, 2011 11:16 am

Done checking Jedo's meta. I knew there was a reason I didn't find him scummy. I've literally seen him do this before in Square Enix Mafia Gaiden. Krew's lynch is, by far, the better choice.

Zang · Post Post #153 (ISO) » Sat Jul 16, 2011 11:25 am

SleepyKrew wrote:God Zang, are you scum or just stupid?

Do you always call someone scum or stupid when they ask you a question?

Jedo wrote:Zang, what is said in RVS is still relevant because while it may be joking, the psyche of the person is still apparent in those posts. Somewhat like when people will make fun of others: sometimes it's just a joke, but sometimes those words actually express what that person thinks. Thus, the town's job is to sift through what is joke-y and what isn't. Yes, the town may be wrong, but I've seen a lot of times when they are correct. Usually, the most telling stuff is in the transition out of RVS because you can see how people are responding to the transition and what they consider to be important.

okay, you have a point about the transition and I agree that the psyche of the person is apparent. I just choose not to hold people accountable for it because to me, it is uninterpretable and although people have found stuff in RVS, I believe that a lot of that is just luck.

Internet Stranger wrote:Huh?!? Then what the fuck is he?!?

I don't know. Unlike you, I don't just declare someone as town when I want to. I develop my reads, especially to the lurkers, over time because everybody does both pro-town, anti-town and scummy things and it is idiotic to judge them based on only one of those. Also, STOP IGNORING ME.

Untrod Tripod wrote:Null isn't an alignment. I'm still super comfortable with my Zang vote because of the "I don't think he's town or scum" thing. That is not at all the same as saying he has a null read, and it strikes me as wishy-washy and scummy.

What? Do you know what the alignment of everybody in the town is? Unless you're scum, you don't and I don't know either and I'm not ready to make these judgments that could change the entire course of the game so easily.

FoS: Untrod Tripod

Internet Stranger wrote:So how much lurking can Scumwriter continue to do before he stops being "null"?

In my opinion, Lurking is a null action many times town do it just as often as scum or scum do it more but not enough to make it a scum tell. Besides, I judge people on the quality of their posts not the quantity.

Internet Stranger · Post Post #154 (ISO) » Sat Jul 16, 2011 11:32 am

Sweet! That means I can start lurking. See you guys in a week!

Zang · Post Post #155 (ISO) » Sat Jul 16, 2011 11:53 am

There's a difference between the lurking that GhostWriter is doing and Purposeful lurking,

GhostWriter · Post Post #156 (ISO) » Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:00 pm

smallpeoples343 wrote:Ok, for now: The Zang wagon is pointless.
I've kind of avoided Jedo's posts because he has a sucky avatar. Will go back and look at them.

UNVOTE: SleepyKrew, VOTE: Jedo until then.

May I ask you what compelled you to switch votes?

Internet Stranger · Post Post #157 (ISO) » Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:20 pm

Zang wrote:There's a difference between the lurking that GhostWriter is doing and Purposeful lurking,

So you know for sure that he wasn't lurking on purpose? If so, I would love to know how!

Voidedmafia · Post Post #158 (ISO) » Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:43 pm

Internet Stranger wrote:
Zang wrote:There's a difference between the lurking that GhostWriter is doing and Purposeful lurking,

So you know for sure that he wasn't lurking on purpose? If so, I would love to know how!

...We don't. However, the lack of prod-dodging (though this isn't quite as applicable) implies that he is not intentionally lurking.

Obviously, we will just have to differ on this point.

ISO · Post Post #159 (ISO) » Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:45 pm

this whole discussion is weasel words and red herrings. A more interesting question: Voided, do you think he's contributing to the game sufficiently?

Internet Stranger · Post Post #160 (ISO) » Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:58 pm

That being Scumwriter not contributing, as I'm obviously doing my part to hang the scum.

Zang · Post Post #161 (ISO) » Sat Jul 16, 2011 1:18 pm

Internet Stranger wrote:
Zang wrote:There's a difference between the lurking that GhostWriter is doing and Purposeful lurking,

So you know for sure that he wasn't lurking on purpose? If so, I would love to know how!

Mostly Benefit of the doubt but also because of meta.

Internet Stranger wrote:That being Scumwriter not contributing, as I'm obviously doing my part to hang the scum.

Being anti-town is worse than not contributing.

Voidedmafia · Post Post #162 (ISO) » Sat Jul 16, 2011 2:13 pm

Thestatusquo wrote:this whole discussion is weasel words and red herrings. A more interesting question: Voided, do you think he's contributing to the game sufficiently?

No, but neither are IS or Sleepy, and Sleepy is currently scummier than both of them right now.

SleepyKrew · Post Post #163 (ISO) » Sun Jul 17, 2011 6:17 am

Look at the buddying. Voided or Zang, Jedo can wait.

Zang · Post Post #164 (ISO) » Sun Jul 17, 2011 6:32 am

SleepyKrew wrote:Look at the buddying. Voided or Zang, Jedo can wait.

Do you even know what buddying is?

The Wiki wrote:Buddying up is a tactic, usually used by members of the Mafia, to try to make yourself look less threatening. Typically the Mafia member will try to be friendly in some way, either outright or, more often, subtly. If the Mafia member is ever lynched at some point, and other players have noticed the buddying, it tends to throw suspicion on the person the Mafia was being friendly towards, thereby causing confusion even after the Mafioso's death.

Buddying is between mafia and the town but you think we're both scum.

smallpeoples343 · Post Post #165 (ISO) » Sun Jul 17, 2011 7:47 am

GhostWriter wrote:
smallpeoples343 wrote:Ok, for now: The Zang wagon is pointless.
I've kind of avoided Jedo's posts because he has a sucky avatar. Will go back and look at them.

UNVOTE: SleepyKrew, VOTE: Jedo until then.

May I ask you what compelled you to switch votes?

SleepyKrew was more of a RVS vote, but I found him null, so I switched.

Voidedmafia · Post Post #166 (ISO) » Sun Jul 17, 2011 8:11 am

SleepyKrew wrote:Look at the buddying. Voided or Zang, Jedo can wait.

Oh, yes, we totally can't be in agreement on things. <_<

Still sure of Sleepy.

ISO · Post Post #167 (ISO) » Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:31 am

Voidedmafia wrote:
Thestatusquo wrote:this whole discussion is weasel words and red herrings. A more interesting question: Voided, do you think he's contributing to the game sufficiently?

No, but neither are IS or Sleepy, and Sleepy is currently scummier than both of them right now.

Wait, really? You think IS Sleepy and Writer are all equally not contributing? Please compare and contrast the contributions of the three players in terms of: 1) Opinions shared about other players 2) total posts and 3) total post content.

I think you might change your mind if you did this.

Voidedmafia · Post Post #168 (ISO) » Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:49 am

I never said they aren't equally contributing. I just said they weren't contributing, period.

Despite IS's petty whining, Ghost hasn't done much besides say "fuck off, IS". IS is still whining about Ghost, and hasn't done much other than tunnel on the latter. And Sleepy's only good post is #130, and that isn't doing much but try to say that I have no case on him (which I do), apologizing to you, and again trying to say there's no case on him (which I do have).

Now, between the three, Sleepy has posted the most, shared more opinions on players, and posted more content, I'll agree to that. However, Sleepy has still not given good content, just more than Ghost or IS, which is why my vote's on him in the first place, and why it's staying there..

ISO · Post Post #169 (ISO) » Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:51 am

Unvote, vote: smallpeoples343]/b]

I'm liking the interactions I'm having with voided right now.

Peoples, on the other hand, is giving us almost literally nothing, and the fact that I am leery about almost all the people on the Jedo wagon makes me leery about the wagon itself.

ISO · Post Post #170 (ISO) » Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:51 am

Unvote, vote: smallpeoples343

tag fail.

ISO · Post Post #171 (ISO) » Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:52 am

IS, what are your opinions of Krew, Peoples, Voided, and Jedo to this point of the game?

ISO · Post Post #172 (ISO) » Sun Jul 17, 2011 12:04 pm

4th posts the charm: Cyberbob where u @

Voidedmafia · Post Post #173 (ISO) » Sun Jul 17, 2011 1:02 pm

Where's Bogre for that matter?

Internet Stranger · Post Post #174 (ISO) » Sun Jul 17, 2011 1:41 pm

If Scumwriter would do something, anything! If he does, then maybe I could put better focus on others. I got a scum on the run right now. If he wasn't scum, all he has to do is contribute, give us some opinions on others, like Jedo and Krew. I mean, wouldn't thay shut me up? Wouldn't that totally cut me off? Yet, he prefers to play this little game.

Why? Its because Scumwriter is scum.