Succession Mafia II: OVER!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Unvote; Vote: DGB

I'm sorry but now you ARE starting to look like OoT DGB.

[xvart]

I asked DGB to claim because I keep forgetting that she wouldn't know persay where her location was or rather the location of the person she targeted.

I suppose I'm just kinda miffed that my ability basically does shit all.

Three days in a row? You've asked for claims three days in a row and taken heat every single day because of the way you asked, the information you had (or didn't have). I really can't fathom the forgetting part, since based on previous day responses I would think you would conceptualize what you are actually asking to avoid the same thing that occurred previously.

Ugh. DGB isn't as obviously cult as Darox and it doesn't seem that she's getting lynched.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Darox

This is quite the turnaround on DGB, don't you think?

You're not any closer to a lynch since I voted you, Darox is still scummy, and Marathon has made me less patient.

I find this train of thought ridiculous since you voted DGB less than 24 hours previously. However, since my last post I started thinking about Cobblerfone's claim about the ambiguity of being unrecruitable or not, and IF there is an actual mafia scum team in this game maybe the disconnect there is because he was asking if mafia could be recruited to a cult and Flay alluded to mafia being unable to be recruited, but also not being definitive.

Im actually like the points that Ooba is pointing out about DGB.
And I wouldn't put it over DGB or Kinetic to start a plan where Kinetic attacks DGB just to have something you can say that your town of.

Talk to me about the risk/reward aspect of this. Is it worth it early game for a recruiter to make a solid push on his recruit?

[bvoigt]

@Con: What makes it a scumpost?

[Bunnylover]

@Xvart: Its more risk then reward. But Kinetic must have known that they don't flip who recruitment they are and therefore could push the idea that DGB was ABR recruit (just like DGB push that poro was Kinetic recruit).

Also Ooba is right in that it is a cult tell if both cult team want you dead.

No. This is not what I said.
- Scum teams in multiple scum games always hunt for the other team
- It's a Kinetic cult tell if ABR's recruits want you dead
- Poro, Kastsuki both wanted DGB dead strongly

Well I interpreted as I did v_v.

Yeah, share reads, yeah, that was sarcasm.

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Bunny:

1) ABR cult wants Poro cult more dead then town cult, because ABR cult can recruit the alive townies while they can not recruit Poro cult.

ABR cult was porochaz cult... what is town cult... what is this even saying??

<_< That should be Kinetic not Poro. I could have sworn I said Kinetic o_O.

[ConSpiracy]

@Con: What makes it a scumpost?

Call me CS, dammit!

He just want others to figure out what is going on and gives a reason to vote for a lynch on Darox/DGB and Hero.

I read day 1 and one of these guys Kinetic recruited day 1 in order from most likely to least likely:

Day 1 recruit list

Bvoigt

– Does hardly anything but flavour discussion/rolefishing and lurks just enough to not do anything and get away with it. Worst change of vote ever with the worst reason ever ("Jesus")

Ooba

– Reasoning is bad, would make a nice First recruit, lurky but not scummy lurky.

Tanarin

– Lurky and didn’t do anything townish, ignored all day by everyone but tajo

Herodotus

– Bad and lurky and used only WIFOMish reasons

Seraphim

– Promising but no content.

All others are not day 1 recruit. Next days will point out which of these can be striped of the list to have one/two left.

[DrippingGoofball]

Unvote; Vote: DGB

I'm sorry but now you ARE starting to look like OoT DGB.

PROOF PLEASE

[DrippingGoofball]

Day 1 recruit list

Bvoigt

– Does hardly anything but flavour discussion/rolefishing and lurks just enough to not do anything and get away with it. Worst change of vote ever with the worst reason ever ("Jesus")

Ooba

– Reasoning is bad, would make a nice First recruit, lurky but not scummy lurky.

Tanarin

– Lurky and didn’t do anything townish, ignored all day by everyone but tajo

Herodotus

– Bad and lurky and used only WIFOMish reasons

Seraphim

– Promising but no content.

59 bvoigt

57 Fritzler/ConSpiracy
51 populartajo
51 Nobody Special
51 Bunnylover
50 Magister Ludi

49 Tanarin/Darox

48 ooba

47 Battousai

45 Seraphim

43 xvart
39 Yosarian2
37 Flameaxe

20 Herodotus

15 Lady Lambdadelta
6 Cobblerfone

[ConSpiracy]

So....?

[DrippingGoofball]

Bunnylover ISO

Day 1

Nothing of note.

Day 2

Conflicting opinions about Kinetic's BS:

Hmmmmmmm...........................................Not understanding the reason to why DGB needs to be lynch or wants to.
Kinetic has seen your role apparently.
So what?
It does not say you are recruited. It does not say you are town.
The information only helps ABR and tells everyone what yoru possible power are.
So what?

D: I'm not believing him!
I was just giving a "ok lets assuming he telling the truth."
Frankly I really don't give a damn what ABR and Kinetic says as its all WIFOM. Best to ignore them.

HOLY HELL
THOSE DGB/CR INTERACTIONS ARE TERRIBAD.
WE HAVE CULT HERE FOLKS.

VOTE: DGB

o.o This post has me believing Katsuki has not been recruited yet.

Day 3

Anyways, we definently need to be lynching DrippingGoofball today.[...]

You've been calling DGB scum, saying we need to lynch her.
WHERE IS YOUR VOTE ON HER?

Looks like Bunnylover is paying zero attention to the game like a good little scum.

A Herodotus vote and hoping for a treestump vig...

Stop using the damn word "scum"
This isn't a "scum" game.
This is a cult game. They are different.

<_< And the frontpage of the role for the cult recruiters say nothing about them been treestump or I missed it, so get@me D:.

Looking at the day as a whole, lots of lack of attention and lazy IIoA.

@Kinetic: Each recuiter should have a possibly 3 recruits (N0, N1, N2). We eliminated one recruit putting one of you at 2-3 possibility. Where is the logic in listening to you (who is confirmed scum) when the possiblity of you just trying to get a mislynch to happen so we end up in a situation where (town) can't win?
Even if DGB is ABR recuit, don't think so, lynching her would leave ABR with 1 recruit and therefore he's still alive.
Now the reason you want DGB to be lynch is because if she flips ABR recruit, THEN YOUR VICTORY IS CONFIRMED AGAINST HIM, assuming Poro was ABR recruit. You no longer have to worry about ABR as he will be down 2 recruits from you. You can even afford to lose one recruit. Now all you have to worry about is Town, while town is still worrying about ABR and yourself.
Now, unless you want to reveal how your cult recruiting work and explain to us how ABR will be gone forever if we lynch DGB, then I suggest you stop posting.

THIS LAST ONE, HOWEVER is NOT the post of a Kinetic recruit.

Conclusion, Bunnylover was not recruited as of yesterday.

[DrippingGoofball]

So....?

Nothing, just looking at how your reads match the scumputer.

[Yosarian2]

DGB is still town. Even though I've long ago given up trying to figure out how her scumputer works.

[Nobody Special]

I've long given up trying to figure out how

DGB

works.

[DrippingGoofball]

I've long given up trying to figure out how

DGB

works.

Funny you should say that, most of my clients figure it out after the first visit.

[Nobody Special]

No, that I've got. It's you, as a player, that vexes me.

Still have no suggestions for you, though. :/

[Battousai]

CS- You didn't mention Zdenek in your (likely d1 recruit). Why not? His first few posts in the game were scummy (voting someone based on rolename, making a list of likely recruits based on rolename, then attacking xvart for thinking bv was scum as bv is too new a join date to be recruited). Then the whole thing where he has the least amount of posts than anyone else still alive (and some dead) leads me to believe he isn't the most active player and would be a decent candidate for your list.

[ConSpiracy]

CS- You didn't mention Zdenek in your (likely d1 recruit). Why not? His first few posts in the game were scummy (voting someone based on rolename, making a list of likely recruits based on rolename, then attacking xvart for thinking bv was scum as bv is too new a join date to be recruited). Then the whole thing where he has the least amount of posts than anyone else still alive (and some dead) leads me to believe he isn't the most active player and would be a decent candidate for your list.

Because I don't believe at all that a cult recruit would take a very different way of trying to find a recruit. Why taking all the attention for it?
He did lurk, but so did more I didn't put in my list.

[Battousai]

You think a cult recruit wouldn't vote someone based on their rolename?

[Kinetic]

Making sure I don't need a prod here. Gogo.

[ConSpiracy]

You think a cult recruit wouldn't vote someone based on their rolename?

Not if he is called out for it and continued with it.
On top of that, I recall having played with him before. It matches his play.

[Magister Ludi]

How does it match his play? What do you usually see him do as town that he is doing here?

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Three days in a row? You've asked for claims three days in a row and taken heat every single day because of the way you asked, the information you had (or didn't have). I really can't fathom the forgetting part, since based on previous day responses I would think you would conceptualize what you are actually asking to avoid the same thing that occurred previously.

Yeah, thats one of the main problems I have with Seraphim, and why its quite alright to get a wagon stomping along here if others don't open up.

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DGB, bvoigt 'case' coming.

[DrippingGoofball]

Vote Seraphim

Fos: Tajo, DGB, Bunny Flameaxe

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Heord, we needs results here.

Hey, are you going to make tajo, Bunnylover and Flameaxes cases, too? How about Seraphim?

[Magister Ludi]

No, probably not. Only for the person I think is most likely cult.

Everyone can also read these players as well, they have eyes, they can see the cult juices running down.

[DrippingGoofball]

I suggest that you do take a look. Even a quick iso of each will do.

[Nobody Special]

Just a thought; no idea if this will be fruitful for anyone.

springlullaby was Unrecruitable. Glance at her iso; she was almost taunting both Kinetic & ABR from the beginning. Perhaps she knew this?

Then, supposing a recruitment attempt was made, and obviously failed, she was murdered.

Again, I don't see anything to be gleaned from this, but perhaps someone with a better Mafia Brain can do something with it.

[Zdenek]

For one thing, the Cobblerfone case was made in previous days, but it was well-reasoned. Although he could have been recruited since then, a town read from Day 2 or 3 or whatever still decreases the chance of someone being scum. And while he did say the case on you was "mostly gut," there are concrete reasons to back it up: throwing out names without truly pushing wagons, committing to few opinions and votes, and passivity.

So you think Flameaxe is town because he made a case against Cobbler and gave some reasons to be suspicious of someone.

Also, there is no chance that any recruiter would have recruited Cobbler after Day 1. The fact that your even suggesting it is a pretty good reason for you to be lynched because it shows that you aren't thinking like a townie, and are just making stuff up.

Well, even if he did claim a guilty on me, I wouldn't be convinced he's scum. I just don't see the scum motivation for claiming a false guilty, because it would undoubtedly result in a 1-for-1 trade. Instead, I would wonder if there is a framer or something.

That's not what I was getting at. You were trying to play it cool, and now, you are showing that you were thinking like scum, and looking for ways to argue against his claim, rather than simply knowing before hand that it was false.

I now prefer bvoigt to Flameaxe.

Unvote
Vote bvoigt

Hey guys, someone just said that opinions in a mafia game is a waste of time. Quiet chuckle to myself. It originally started as a gut read, and through the middle of the post, I read through the iso and that supported my gut read. I hardly see how stating it was gut, and then referencing an iso (with points made from the iso, for what its worth) disowns any case. This just reads as you being lazy and finding any excuse to ignore my opinions towards you. (And if anything, you can't really call it a case...)

It was your paragraph of opinions that was a waste of time, not opinions in general and the problem was that you said that it was a result of

skimming

my iso.

At the time, and given my own role, I had no reason to believe there was a compatibility between role and profession. Secondly, THIS IS A FUCKING CULT GAME. Of course I will doubt any claims, especially one as soft as it was. He hadn't revealed a guilty at that point, and as far as I was concerned, he was wasting everyone's time. In fact, I never doubted his role as a cop, I doubted the validity of his results due to him being a CORRUPT cop. I'd say that's me realizing the connection between profession and role more than you ever have. Try harder.

No. You've been pressing the idea that there is no connection between roles and profession, but when it suits you, you argue based on the idea that there is a connection. Now, in one paragraph you go from saying that you had no reason to believe a compatibility between role and profession, to saying that you will doubt any claims because it is a cult game, to saying that you doubted his claim because he is a corrupt cop. This does not add up at all, and looks like you are searching for reasons for doubting him rather than just giving ones that make sense.

For instance, you have shown suspicion of me from DAY ONE, yet, I haven't heard any concrete reasoning, or even attempts to convince other players to join you until DAY FOUR, conveniently when I start pushing back at you.

The lynches on day 2 and 3 were obvious.

I'm not all that interested in lynching DGB, but I'm not going to pretend that I have a good read on that slot.

LLD what does OoT stand for?