Mini 1179: Paranoia Mafia

[Umbrage]

so you never really had a definitive reason for hopping off the vezok wagon. Again, shakey reads on d-3 people. This doesn't make sense. How can an expierenced player like umbridge not have any good reads on d-3 no mylo. For a large portion of the day he doesn't even have a vote onj anybody.

Not thinking vezok is scum is different from not having reads. And guess what? Yep, you guessed it. Not having a vote on anybody can be a GOOD THING IN MYLO.

When you run out of easy targets. Its not a matter of deciding to do it. You just found yourself off-balance and forgot to push your "reads". Any half-assed scum player could spit out shit on occult and LLD for years. But when it was show time, you ran out of steam...

This brings up a few questions...

How was LLD an easier target than Glass or vezok?
If I had no reads, how could I push them?
How does 'running out of steam' turn into 'running in the opposite direction by unvoting'?
How does my attack on you fit into your 'running out of steam' theory?

Basically you are, in that quote, saying that there are in fact 2 scum. Simply put you got the town fooled into two man scum team and when one person descents you find grounds for an easy lynch. Great job masterful play if I do say so myself. I should nominate you for a scummy after this game.

Interesting, seeing as how you still haven't shown any evidence that there are 3 scum. All you've done is say there COULD be 3 scum. You've even said it's unlikely there's 3 scum.

Some more questions:

Why are you so hung up on this? It really doesn't make a difference. Do you want to no-lynch because there's a teeny tiny chance today is mylo? No, you've been very adamant about getting a lynch all day. So why does it matter?

Why, when you were forming your case on me, did you assume I had two scumbuddies? I never saw a decent answer for that. I heard a lot of 'well there COULD be 3 scum'. But that doesn't mean there ARE 3 scum.

And finally, do you have any reason whatsoever, besides baseless speculation and games with different setups, to doubt my original logic as to why there are 2 scum?

[LobsterCatapult]

@umbrage, why do you think cooldog hasn't self hammered?

[Umbrage]

@umbrage, why do you think cooldog hasn't self hammered?

Wants to let a buddy do it for the towncred?

[Glass]

Well, I am ready to hammer cooldog whenever vordiark gets around to updating the status.

[CooLDoG]

Well, I am ready to hammer cooldog whenever vordiark gets around to updating the status.

go ahead, I won't be able to answer Umbridge's post until moday. There are quite of few things wrong with that. A lot of things actually. I want to get to them, but I simply don't have the time today. I'm lucky I can post.

I will get to this though

@umbrage, why do you think cooldog hasn't self hammered?

Wants to let a buddy do it for the towncred?

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So I let the town discuss for 1-2 days longer then they would have got if I self hammered. And probably 2 more if People are willing to hold out for sury. So my elaborate plan will a low for one of my buddies o hammer me 5 days after I hit l-1 to gain massive town credit. Sounds like one helluva plan. I should have thought of that before I post all of that. It would have saved me a lot of time.

I glazed over umbridge's post and I wanted to ask about one significant part.

Umbridge, you said you should never have a fall back. Why did you vote for two people today in quick succession once a wagon failed. Are you also saying that you should only have 1 scum read. And if you happen to have two you should never lynch your number two man, even if your number one has no support? Some of the most powerful tells are buddy tells (my opinion), and only focusing on one man, and only pressuring one man severely limits your ability to scum hunt. I think the correct term for your style of play is tunnel vision.

All I can say for now.

[LobsterCatapult]

fos:zodiark

active lurking

[Zodiark13]

Warning: A player is at L-1. Please be careful with your votes.

Player Status

Glass - Paranoid

CooLDoG - Snapped

vezokpiraka - Paranoid

ThAdmiral - Supicious

Umbrage - Snapped

Surye - Suspicious

nopointinactingup - Paranoid
LobsterCatapult - Paranoid

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Current Votes

Glass [L-5] -

CooLDoG [L-1] - ThAdmiral, Umbrage, vezokpiraka, nopointinactingup,

vezokpiraka [L-5] -

ThAdmiral [L-5] -

Umbrage [L-3] - CooLDoG,

Surye [L-5] -

nopointinactingup [L-4] - LobsterCatapult,

LobsterCatapult [L-5] -

Not Voting: Surye, Glass,

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Due to the time it took to update statuses, I will add a week to the deadline
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[Surye]

CD, Umbrage, anything happen after you snapped?

[Umbrage]

Yes. I received a lovely present from the mod: a one-shot BP. HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[vezokpiraka]

I got the most useless power evar.

Like EVAR.

I can make someone to not post until they get prodded. Wow That is incredible. Exactly what we needed.

[ThAdmiral]

So do people get something if they are either paranoid or snapped?

Looks like long wall posts help people reach snapped status.

[Umbrage]

So do people get something if they are either paranoid or snapped?

Looks like long wall posts help people reach snapped status.

Nope. I think it's the number of votes on you. I was told I snapped at post 449, which is Glass voting me.

Umbridge, you said you should never have a fall back. Why did you vote for two people today in quick succession once a wagon failed. Are you also saying that you should only have 1 scum read. And if you happen to have two you should never lynch your number two man, even if your number one has no support? Some of the most powerful tells are buddy tells (my opinion), and only focusing on one man, and only pressuring one man severely limits your ability to scum hunt. I think the correct term for your style of play is tunnel vision.

I was totally hyperactive midway through this day. There wasn't much activity, and I was getting bored with the game. I didn't have a strong scumread on anyone. Before, I was either totally sure Occult was scum, or totally sure LLD was scum, and with them dead I was lost. My solution was to pretty much just join random wagons and see what happened. Hence my stupid tunneling of Glass and subsequent out-of-left-field nopoint vote.

[LobsterCatapult]

i recieved a pm. i was suspecious at post 510 for voting nopoint, fos umbrage. no votes on me, and my 510 was one of the longer ones ive posted.

[vezokpiraka]

I got the ability when I became suspicious. That's what the mod said.

[LobsterCatapult]

i recieved a pm. i was suspecious at post 510 for voting nopoint, fos umbrage. no votes on me, and my 510 was one of the longer ones ive posted.

Well, to correct, the thing i did that post was vote nopoint, fos umbrage. the pm didnt state that voting and fosing to be why i received it. maybe its because its a big wall. either way. idk. maybe im just really dense, but im confused as to how the statuses work at all.

[Glass]

Well, I got a power but I would rather not reveal it right now as we are about to go into night.
VOTE: cooldog

[Zodiark13]

Current Votes

Glass [L-5] -

CooLDoG [L-0] - ThAdmiral, Umbrage, vezokpiraka, nopointinactingup, Glass,

vezokpiraka [L-5] -

ThAdmiral [L-5] -

Umbrage [L-3] - CooLDoG,

Surye [L-5] -

nopointinactingup [L-4] - LobsterCatapult,

LobsterCatapult [L-5] -

Not Voting: Surye,

A lynch has been reached.
CooLDoG was a

Mafia Goon

All night actions must be in before the end of the current night phase.[/area]

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[Zodiark13]

nopoint has requested a replacement. The end of the night phase will be delayed until a replacement has been found.

[Zodiark13]

kondi2424 has replaced nopoint. Night phase will end 24 hours after kondi has confirmed.

[Zodiark13]

I'm opening the game thread early cause I don't expect to have net access for a while.

LobsterCatapult;

Vanilla Townie

has been killed.

6 players remain, with 4 needed to lynch. Deadline counter to be added on next votecount.

[vezokpiraka]

So Glass is probably scum.

Everyone agrees with me?

[Glass]

>Saying that you think I am scum (with no reason I might add), but reserving your vote until you see if there is support to push my wagon.
Can you see this post in any other light?

This also explains why umbrage thought your jumping on and off of cooldog was strange, you could not decide whether to bus or go for my mislynch.

VOTE: vezok
Hello scum.

[ThAdmiral]

I agree with you vezok

vote: glass

I'm going up to the snow for the next couple of days, but hopefully they have wifi.

[Umbrage]

MUAHAHAHAHA. Scum WIFOM FTW. I never used my bulletproof, think I'll save it for tonight. OR MAYBE I WON'T! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Glass and vezok are both town, guys. CooLDoG was fine with lynching either of them yesterday. And I don't think he was bussing. Read him in ISO. He only really pays attention to a few people throughout the game. I don't think scum would bus when they play like that, it doesn't make sense.

I think it's nopoint. He's made a big case on CD, but CD doesn't respond to it and he lets it go whenever a better wagon comes along. And don't forget that the one person to be suspicious of nopoint was killed N2. When I briefly voted nopoint yesterday, he was the one wagon that CD didn't follow up on.

VOTE: kondi2424

[ThAdmiral]

Nopoint is my second choice. In any case I believe there was scum on the wagon as I doubt the mafia/mafiates would miss the opportunity to distance especially when it became obvious cooldog was going down.
By the same token I don't think the people pushing the wagon originally are scum which cancels out you and vezok.