Newbie 1120 - The Scum in Sherlock (Over!)

hiplop · Post Post #750 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:33 pm

Ill jailkeep hellhound.

Hellhound1 · Post Post #751 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:36 pm

I fail to see that case on albert here other than a) he doesnt believe hiplop and b) torqez was rubbish. Can someone explain please?
Hiplop is doing his I KNOW YOU'RE SCUM thing, which isnt helping because he hasnt backed up a single thing he's said other than i KNOW it. Prove it then..

Hellhound1 · Post Post #752 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:38 pm

hiplop wrote:Ill jailkeep hellhound.

Please do, it'll prove im town.
ofc, that'll give scum another night kill. Oh and that is assuming you arent scum yourself

Thor665 · Post Post #753 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:41 pm

@Hellhound - The case on Albert is PoE - *at least* one of those three is scum. If you think Torq was rubbish I fail to see why you're questioning the Albert case - what am I missing there?

@Muffin - the only "plan" needed is that if Albert flips scum than hiplop should have a set target declared - he has now done so. I'm fine with Shah investigating whomever she pleases and if Albert flips town I'm fine with hiplop jailing whomever.

Hellhound1 · Post Post #754 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:45 pm

Thor665 wrote:@Hellhound - The case on Albert is PoE - *at least* one of those three is scum. If you think Torq was rubbish I fail to see why you're questioning the Albert case - what am I missing there?

Torqez was rubbish but he wasnt scum.. He was just crappy town. hiplop/shah and to a much lesser extent scumhunter seem much more actual scummy than albert.

hiplop · Post Post #755 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:45 pm

We get a conf-townie tomorrow no matter what; right? Because Jailkeep goes before mafia kill? so even if i die, hellhound is town.

is that correct?

Hellhound1 · Post Post #756 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:52 pm

If thats correct, what if im set up?
If you JK me, scum can just go "right we'll NK hellhound, knowing he wont die, and everyone will think hes scum"...

zMuffinMan · Post Post #757 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:00 pm

thor wrote:@Muffin - the only "plan" needed is that if Albert flips scum than hiplop should have a set target declared - he has now done so. I'm fine with Shah investigating whomever she pleases and if Albert flips town I'm fine with hiplop jailing whomever.

No, the thing is, I don't want excuses with investigations of the jailed target. So, we sort that now if we are lynching Albert.

zMuffinMan · Post Post #758 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:02 pm

actually, durr, I suppose that sorts itself out if hiplop declares his target, but in any case, no investigating hiplop and using that as an excuse if he dies. I want confscum or confinno on someone from Shah tomorrow.

hiplop · Post Post #759 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:03 pm

Hellhound1 wrote:If thats correct, what if im set up?
If you JK me, scum can just go "right we'll NK hellhound, knowing he wont die, and everyone will think hes scum"...

why would you say that? i know you're just being paranoid for your safety, but you just gave mafia an idea they would not have thought of. Gah.

I cant see them wasting their kill like that, though.

hiplop · Post Post #760 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:05 pm

im thinking i should check out scumhunter instead. Has really flown under the radar, and i kind of forgot he was alive. y/n? not opposed to hellhound, though

zMuffinMan · Post Post #761 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:06 pm

it doesn't matter, theyre both town. choose one or the other and confirm it if a NK goes through. I'm more interested in Shah giving me conf innos after her partner is lynched today.

Hellhound1 · Post Post #762 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:08 pm

hiplop wrote:
Hellhound1 wrote:If thats correct, what if im set up?
If you JK me, scum can just go "right we'll NK hellhound, knowing he wont die, and everyone will think hes scum"...

why would you say that? i know you're just being paranoid for your safety, but you just gave mafia an idea they would not have thought of. Gah.

I cant see them wasting their kill like that, though.

Doh. Typical me

Just that would be the logical route for scum to take, right?

Also,

zMuffinMan wrote:ftr, I'm still going with my {Shah+Albert} team

If Shah is scum then Shah can claim inno on anyone, because scum know who is town? I fail to see how that helps tbh.

Hellhound1 · Post Post #763 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:09 pm

Also, if Shas's partner is still alive, elaborate scum plan where shah claims guilty on partner? Then shah looks town.

Hellhound1 · Post Post #764 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:10 pm

hiplop wrote:im thinking i should check out scumhunter instead. Has really flown under the radar, and i kind of forgot he was alive. y/n? not opposed to hellhound, though

Like muffin says. Well im a VT end of. Nothing more. Dunno about scum i still have leaning scum on him. But either way is cool with me.

zMuffinMan · Post Post #765 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:10 pm

Look, hellhound, if there's one scum left alive after today, then any innos she gives MUST be true (if shes scum, she has to give innos on town, and if shes town, she must tell the truth). So it helps. This, of course, is based on the premise that Albert is scum.

And as I said, if Albert is town, anything Shah says tomorrow should be completely ignored. She should be lynched and any investigation result she gives should be treated as WIFOM. Do not even pay attention to it.

Hellhound1 · Post Post #766 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:20 pm

What if she gives a guilty on an innocent person?
What if Shah is the rolecop, and doesnt kill anyone and uses her rolecop ability instead?
Then whoever hiplop JKs looks guilty and Shah can confirm an inno.

hiplop · Post Post #767 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:28 pm

stop with the what ifs, seriously. you're only doing scum favours

Thor665 · Post Post #768 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:35 pm

hiplop wrote:We get a conf-townie tomorrow no matter what; right? Because Jailkeep goes before mafia kill? so even if i die, hellhound is town.

is that correct?

If Albert is scum - yes.
If Albert is town - no.
Hellhound is fairly obvious town though, so...

hiplop · Post Post #769 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:38 pm

yeah im going to use it on scumhunter- i dont think anyone has a very strong read on him.

Thor665 · Post Post #770 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:47 pm

To clarify - if Albert flips scum you're jailing Scumhunter, not Hellhound.

Shahrizai · Post Post #771 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:49 pm

If ABR is scum then his claim is a crazy gambit that will give him both PRs, but that would also mean he's confident that his partner can carry the rest of the game without him.

Also, I'm not telling whom I am investigating tonight beforehand.

Thor665 · Post Post #772 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:52 pm

If ABR is scum he was going to be lynched today barring either a PR claim or providing actual amazing reads of game.
He certainly didn't try the reads angle.
All of you claimed at periods you were being run up - so that's a pretty neutral tell towards all of you. Which of Albert/hiplop are you saying is scum and why?

zMuffinMan · Post Post #773 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:47 pm

OK

Albert dies today.

If (when) he flips scum, hiplop jails scumhunter.

Shah, you are not 'investigating' scumhunter or hiplop tonight.

Out of thor, hellhound and I, I don't really care who you 'investigate', but you're going to give me a conf inno tomorrow. I don't actually care who you target in this group, as long as you pick one of us.

hellhound wrote:What if she gives a guilty on an innocent person?

IF Albert is scum and she does this, then we win. It's either her or the person she gives the guilty on. IF Albert is town, we ignore it and treat it as WIFOM.

hellhound wrote:What if Shah is the rolecop, and doesnt kill anyone and uses her rolecop ability instead?
Then whoever hiplop JKs looks guilty and Shah can confirm an inno.

This doesn't even make sense, but any problems like this can be accounted for tomorrow.

hitogoroshi · Post Post #774 (ISO) » Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:48 pm

Vote Count #26

Albert B. Rampage:

Shahrizai,

Thor665

,

hiplop, Thor665 (L-1!)

hiplop:

Albert B. Rampage, Scumhunter,

Thor665

Shahrizai:

hellhound1

,

Thor665

,

zMuffinman

,

Albert B. Rampage

, hellhound1

Thor665:

Scumhunter

zMuffinMan:

Albert B. Rampage

hellhound1:

hiplop

Not Voting:

zMuffinMan

,

Scumhunter

, zMuffinMan

Day Two Deadline(expired on 2011-07-29 19:00:00)

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

That was a massive votecount. Please look it over for errors.