TV Mafia Game Over - Scum Win

[MagnaofIllusion]

Note before I go to bed ...

All this discussion about what happens in regards to the Hypobomb is pretty useless and rather distracting to the process of actually looking for scum.

If he is some SuperSaint / Bomb its best to kill him via lynch with someone scummy hammering. But rather than sheeping onto him with the generous deadline lets get back to looking for non-Third Party scum, shall we? Worse comes to worse we can lynch him today if time gets tight and we can't decide on a good scum candidate.

[Junpei]

I agree, we are definitely not hammering any time soon.

In the event we decide to lynch him, we have Meran hammer, agreed? That is unless someone more suspicious comes up or Meran begins to post more.

[jasonT1981]

Day 1 Vote count 5

Zinger 6 - Rodion, Vezo,Leonshade, Pinky, Junpei, 3isFrench,
DavidX 4 - CHKBallin, MOI, THAdmiral,PeregrineV
Leonshade 2 - Vollkan,Andrew
Junpei 2 - Meransiel, Zinger
Chevre 2 - Pappum,Nero
Silverdrummer 2 - Slate, Oversoul
Izak 2 - , KillerJester,ZeL1nk
Pine 1 - Silver
Meransiel 1 - Cherve,

With 27 alive it takes 14 to lynch with a deadline of 12th August 12pm EST

Mod note: At this moment I have no intention of mod-killing or Replacing Mera as I do not feel I have grounds to do so. Please no more requests, I feel it is unsporting to do so.

[David Xanatos]

Have him self hammer?

There's a large hole in that thought process.. namely that a Bomb would never self hammer, would they?

Neither would any role I can think of.. but I suppose that's something for later consideration, if at all.

Not a fan of the Zinger lynch either, after thinking about it more..

Why would someone openly claim to be an anti-town, anti-mafia roleblocker, and expect not to get lynched/NKed? :/

[Junpei]

David X, isn't that the idea here? He could have wifomed.

Regardless too much time is being spent on Zlinger and Meran, if they're scum they are doing well to distract us.

Let us focus on others where there is more to say, I will eventually get around to other leads, the thing is that most people have hardly posted and there isn't much to say, seems like we have 8 or so easy lynches.

[David Xanatos]

Point. It's 3am, I'm gonna grab some sleep, and come at it all with a fresh look in the morning.

Have a good one.

[ZeL1nK]

OK.

Zinger claimed third party with a self win-con. I want to lynch him just to make him lose D1 if he's telling the truth.

I'm trying to make sense of this claim.

There's someone with 'an item' that means Zinger wins if he targets them. But he's "self-aligned", and whoever has this item gets permanently "roleblocked" (not "jailed" but "roleblocked" <- there's a difference) if he targets them. <<-- If a town PR has this "item", it's not a good thing, and if scum has this item, they sure as hell aren't going to claim to have it. Also if scum have this item, it makes no sense to me that Zinger wouldn't win with town, because he'd be essentially working with town by permanently "roleblocking" scum.

Oh, and as a sidenote, meransiel is town, leon is still prob-town, and izak is still scum.

More later. A bit busy atm.

[andrew94]

im pretty sure zingers not telling us the full thing.
i.e. theres 24 people in this game, and normally 1 lynch per day and 2 night kills at night.
this makes ur winning chance like 1%.
bS

[Chevre]

If Meran is really a member of the town just wanting to try this strategy out, vigging her likely won't derail the strategy in future games. However, if Meransiel is of an anti-town faction wanting to making to Day 2 for some odd reason...well then, vigging her is a good thing. DUH.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Zinger the one who softclaimed Earl Hickey? The role and the character have little correlation, if the mod didn't randomize power roles as well.

[Junpei]

He said that flavor is just that, flavor. The roles don't correspond intentionally with the flavor.

[ZeL1nK]

@Zinger,

What happens if someone investigates your alignment? What would someone get if they rolecopped you? Do you find out if the person with the 'item' you want dies? Do you have any indication of whether that 'item' belongs to town/scum/other?

ftr, I'm not entirely sure it's worth lynching Zinger today.

I'd rather someone like izak goes.

Lynching Zinger is almost too easy.

[Junpei]

Lynching Zinger is almost too easy.

Wrong, it IS too easy. And that is very interesting to me, so much so that I am willing to call his bluff and lynch him if the rest of town will support it.

[ZeL1nK]

Do you think he's mafia bluffing or do you think he's third party or some sort?

And if you think he's mafia, why do you think he did this?

And if you think he's third party, then why go after him today?

[Junpei]

Do you think he's mafia bluffing or do you think he's third party or some sort?

And if you think he's mafia, why do you think he did this?

And if you think he's third party, then why go after him today?

If he's mafia I think that he is testing our will and expecting us to pass on this lynch of him. Especially considering Meran's odd behavior.

If he's third party then I doubt he is the role he claims he is, in which case we need him out of the picture before he does whatever shenanigans he does. Besides, would you rather risk outing another town PR, or go for the confirmed non-town who claims to be a roleblocker?

[ZeL1nK]

The risk of "outing PRs" means nothing to me. I can't help it if town PRs are playing like scum. They should probably stop doing that. Might help them not get outed.

I want scum lynched today, not claimed third party. Zinger is a good vig shot, but it's not worth lynching him today, imo.

[Junpei]

The risk of "outing PRs" means nothing to me. I can't help it if town PRs are playing like scum. They should probably stop doing that. Might help them not get outed.

I want scum lynched today, not claimed third party. Zinger is a good vig shot, but it's not worth lynching him today, imo.

Look, we know there are no jesters, so we know that lynching him won't be directly -EV town if he is third party
However, it is possible he has a bomb effect and that would be bad for vigilante.

Oh not to mention our vigil is out in the open presumably, meaning that roleblock party is taking place on him. Who is a roleblock that we know of... oh yeah, Zinger, the guy we want vigil to kill! Oh he won't RB vigil no way no how!

[ZeL1nK]

....

You think he's a third party bomb who wins if he gets shot at night?

No.

Besides, he claims he can only roleblock me once.

[Junpei]

....

You think he's a third party bomb who wins if he gets shot at night?

No.

Besides, he claims he can only roleblock me once.

I don't think he's a bomb, I'm just bouncing off ideas, I don't really know the norms are even the unusual here so I'm trying to get a grasp on that.

And

1) He claims he can only roleblock once

2) How long are you willing to delay his death?

[Junpei]

ughh

ewdp

emphasis on claims

[ZeL1nK]

How long are you willing to delay his death?

Until it becomes a good idea to kill him, which is an iffy subject and depends on a lot of factors. The short answer is: at least until tomorrow.

[Junpei]

How long are you willing to delay his death?

Until it becomes a good idea to kill him, which is an iffy subject and depends on a lot of factors. The short answer is: at least until tomorrow.

You'd leave someone confirmed to be a wild-card third party alive for even 1night? Who knows what kind of stuff he can do. I suppose every time I go into more depth on it I start to think that I would be okay with other lynches, but I still keep coming to the same conclusion that third parties are bad for town. Especially ones like this where they claim to have a -EV town role and are being so -EV town during daychat.

[Meransiel]

I don't want flinger to win, he doesn't deserve to win. If he is third party/scum (he is confirmed one of those) then he will be less likely to win by killing him. If we don't lynch him I demand we shoot him via vigilante.

1. You said you were logical. Stop being illogical
2. Stop directing the night kill.

[Meransiel]

I agree, we are definitely not hammering any time soon.

In the event we decide to lynch him, we have Meran hammer, agreed? That is unless someone more suspicious comes up or Meran begins to post more.

I will not hammer Zinger. I will not let Zinger hammer me.

[izakthegoomba]

I don't think I buy Zinger's roleclaim. He could well be scum, or a dangerous third party. Even I'd he tells the truth, the fact that the town is the majority will mean he hits town more often than scum. I'm more than happy to lynch him on this, but if Meran won't hammer (why?), who will?

I will not let Zinger hammer me.

What's the alternative? If you were at L-1 and he wanted to hammer, how could you stop him?

Unless you're a dayvig or something, but thats unlikely.

[Meransiel]

He doesn't want to hammer me.