TV Mafia Game Over - Scum Win

[Zinger2099]

I don't even care, fine I"ll get off my high horse, now will you post content and explain why you think it was a good idea for you to claim what you did?

I thought that if the mafia team believed I wasn't a threat to them I could fly under their radar while I either roleblock them (if I had a good idea of who they might be) or protect town players (if I didn't have a clue who might be scum).

I'm just a standard town Jailkeeper. It was all a fakeclaim. You can lynch me for lying now.

To self: "Oh shit it didn't work! Fuck!"

To all: "I'm a frustrated townie, I hate you all /insult"

To self: "Not working..?"

To all: "I'm town JK! Hahaha that was wifom!"

So.... you were lying when you said you would get off your high horse? Gotcha. I'll take note of the fact that now you're not only an arrogant prick, but also a liar.

[killerjester]

Well, Zinger lied. We can either take him for he's word that he's town (lawl) or we can hang him. Pretty easy choice in my opinion. And then if he is town, we'll leave a note by his deathbed saying, "Don't lie next time, it fucking hurts the town. It's been this way, it will always be this way. Don't mess with years of theory thinking you can waltz in and do 1-better." The rules are Town Never Lies for a reason. The reason is you.

[Pappums Leather Jacket]

I have not really liked silverdrummer's defense of himself in his back-and-forth with MoI, but this next sentence really pushed me over the edge to a scumread on him:

3. You are either an arrogant idiot or you know exactly why he requested replacement which you wouldn't know unless you have inside knowledge.

Everyone please note this as evidence of bussing or cheating or more than likely arrogance

That is a huuuuuge stretch, and accusing MoI of cheating is quite a nasty thing to do without any sort of evidence. I thought the replace out was suspect as well. He claimed he was going to post later and then left the game without any kind of acknowledgement of this in the game thread. And I dont like silverdrummer's hardcore tunnelling on Pine either, it looks like bussing to me (though by himself Pine doesnt look scummy to me, just a serious lurker).

[Pappums Leather Jacket]

Zinger, supposing you are a town Jailkeeper, why did you think it was a good idea to play the way you have so far?

[chkballin]

Policy lynches are the brainchild of scum for easy mislynches or frustrated/arrogant town who can't "tame" a player. I have lied as town, when I believe I am smarter and more in tune than the other people I am playing with- it's worked and it's failed. NOW isn't the time to argue game theory... Why Zinger felt the need to do so bothers me because I am not totally convinced by his reasoning.

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BALLIN

[andrew94]

i think zinger noted that many of us had said that with his claim, the chances of him winning are close to zero.
therefore, he claimed town JK.
dont think we should lynch him.

unvote vote chkballing

did you see hes last post?

[Junpei]

Lynch all Liars is a bad thing to think. However it is the nature of this lie that makes me really want to lynch him. Zinger hasn't responded in an appropriate way half the time anyways. AtE is all he knows, I hope that this site will eventually show him the ropes to being a competitive mafia player. Anyways, I don't think I want to end the day yet, but get the votes up a little short of L-1 so we don't risk some guy who just reread but missed votals coming in and hammering.

@chkballin 100% agree.

andrew I can never understand what you're writing...

[andrew94]

^oh yea for my previous post, i posted it but chkballing's post ninja'ed me. its hes post before that thats scummy

[silverdrummer]

opps forgot to switch... but yeah

I highly doubt he's a third party RB you also ignore that hey he picks someone else... and hey it ends up being mafia... or a killing role.. and stops that kill who hey may have been targetting you.

Talking about the ethics of hydras has been done, it overall is up to the mod... follow the mods rule number 0. I am thy mod, whatever I state is law. and stop crying about it.

I don't care if I LOOK town... the point of me is to try to out scum... that's it. Zinger runs across me more as a frustrated misguided VI but to each their own.

3. You are either an arrogant idiot or you know exactly why he requested replacement which you wouldn't know unless you have inside knowledge.

Everyone please note this as evidence of bussing or cheating or more than likely arrogance

That is a huuuuuge stretch, and accusing MoI of cheating is quite a nasty thing to do without any sort of evidence. I thought the replace out was suspect as well. He claimed he was going to post later and then left the game without any kind of acknowledgement of this in the game thread. And I dont like silverdrummer's hardcore tunnelling on Pine either, it looks like bussing to me (though by himself Pine doesnt look scummy to me, just a serious lurker).

Please note the other two options of either bussing or more than likely arrogance. Unless you know the player in REAL LIFE you DO NOT know the MOTIVATION for having to REPLACE a GAME. It could be game related or it could be life related. To assume one makes an ass of yourself. Again it's a null read.

Pine = contributed nothing though has promised to catch up twice and is around posting but not in this game. But no that's not suspicious... wait did you call meran suspicious at any point? *checks quickly* no you did not. Do lurkers = town for you then...?

[Junpei]

No andrew I don't understand your post at all. What do you mean did we see his last post? Also the first two lines aren't legible, I really don't want to insult your intelligence so I'll just say is there any other way you can write it to make it easier to understand?

Don't do this because I don't know if it's allowed or not but... Does anyone know if it's okay for someone to post in their native language and let other players use google translate to figure out what they're saying? I think it might make communication easier for some players and google translate is something that we all have.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Not a lot of time now but I just want to say

More SilverDrummer votes please!!!

[silverdrummer]

Not a lot of time now but I just want to say

More Pine votes please!!!

FTFY

[jasonT1981]

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3. You are either an arrogant idiot or you know exactly why he requested replacement which you wouldn't know unless you have inside knowledge.

Everyone please note this as evidence of bussing or cheating or more than likely arrogance

OK, I came home and am quite drunk, but want to address this as this is a serious issue. Unless there is sufficient evedience to suggest anyone is cheating this should not be brought up in thread. If you feel there is cheating going on I would ask you to PM me in private with whatever proof you have of cheating ASAP and I will take it from there. If not, I feel it very unsporting to make accusations of cheating in game if there is no evedience to back it up.

[jasonT1981]

Pvt Slate was prodded, picked up PM but has not posted. as it has been over 48 hours since the Prod was sent, a replacement shall be looked for tomorrow morning. Unless he posts in thread before hand or informs me he intends to stay.

[andrew94]

@junpei
i meant chkballin's post ---> which is this--->

Just some quick thoughts :
The recent claim has had a substantial effect on this hydra. The only thing we can agree on is that our Day 1 scumhunting/lynching efforts would be best placed elsewhere, although the severity of the Zinger problem is debatable. Our general thoughts are that the self-aligned jailkeeper claim is most likely true, however his win condition and/or subsequent details of fulfillment or lack thereof may have been slightly altered. Simply put: We think he is who he claims, but we don't trust him to be honest about what happens if he doesn't win since it seems a tad bit boring( but not impossible) that he would remain in the game if his target dies.

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BALLIN

is scummy

[Junpei]

Okay yes I see that.

1) Why is it scummy

2) Why don't you want to lynch zinger

[andrew94]

1) he basically said what i said before and many others have said. then he sits on the fence
2) cos zinger change claim to town pr

[David Xanatos]

I disagree with you Andrew. Chkballin, though a little abrasive, has been actively scumhunting and posting observations, I don't see him as fence sitting much personally, or sheeping, for that matter.

In addition, I have no idea where your opinion on Zinger is going, because he's claimed self aligned JK with a perma-roleblock element, then Doc, then back to the JK again, and now Town JK? That just screams "Dodgy as all hell" to me. He's either a third party, roleblocking random people and possibly someone for good (Do we want to take the risk that it'll be a Town Cop or Doc that's perma-blocked? The odds aren't in our favour I feel.. assuming it's a true claim.), a rather poor Town, who'll only cause confusion and strife, or a Scum trying a gambit. I personally feel that the way he's acting warrants a lynch.

VOTE: Zinger

[Zinger2099]

I hope that this site will eventually show him the ropes to being a competitive mafia player.

You only learn by making mistakes pal.

I use these forums to do all the stupid things I would never consider doing on the other forums where I play mafia so that I can see first hand why doing that is a bad idea without screwing with my rep on the site that I take the game seriously.

Also, something about the format or layout of these boards makes it so that I can't look at it for an extended period of time without feeling dizzy, so I couldn't really play seriously here if I wanted to. All I can ever do is skim reads.

[killerjester]

Generally you need to know all the rules before you start breaking them, at least that's my experience in the fine arts.

[Junpei]

Alright, Zlinger is a troll. He's blacklisted and hopefully everyone else will do the same if his wincon as revealed at the end of the game isn't something that implies this behavior is acceptable. Regardless I'm ignoring him from here on out, I refuse to comment on what he says.

[David Xanatos]

Off to bed. See you all in the morning.

Mod: Can we have a votecount please?

[jasonT1981]

vote count coming soon. Either myself or Zach shall do it.. I am trying to make the room stop spinning right now!

[ZeL1nK]

I think the major problem in this game right now is that people are not taking my advice from #430

izak is stil scum and people are ignoring this because zinger is derping all over the place.

I'll have to check on izak. Why him specifically?

Because I think he's scum and you haven't really mentioned him.

We believe Zinger should be the lynch for today for several reasons.

1. He has claimed third party, which is clearly anti-town and therefore he has no reason to help town.
2. His claimed ability of jailkeeping is bad for town. He is anti-town, and therefore his JK's will not be with the intention of helping the town. Our PRs may get blocked, and he has no reason to try to avoid blocking them because his only intention will be to fulfill his wincon.
3. His roleclaim does not make sense. He claims that the person he JK's that is his target will be roleblocked for the rest of the game, when he is supposedly a jailkeeper. Also, as has been mentioned, the chances of him completing his wincon are very slim if he is what he says he is.

1 and 2 aren't necessarily true. He does have a reason to help town (to avoid getting lynched or vigged) and his claimed ability isn't necessarily bad for town, if he's directed. Of course, it's impossible to tell (short of tracking him) whether he'd doing what we tell him to do, so it's not necessarily a good idea to keep him alive, but like... if I am mysteriously roleblocked tonight, I'm sure as hell going to be pushing for his lynch tomorrow, regardless of whether it was actually him that roleblocked me. It's actually in his best interests to work with town, because it doesn't really hinder his claimed win-con, and it means he's more likely to be kept alive.

Of course, that's assuming he's telling the truth about his role. Which I don't think he is. He's not scum, that much I'm confident about. If he is third party, I don't consider him a threat. There's the possibility he's town and this was some gambit he thought was a really smart idea, and considering it's Zinger, this is something I think is a very real possibility.

In any case, he is not a good lynch today.

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Oh, look...

#609

Durrr, ignore everything, argue with Zinger, hope everyone stops talking about me.

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Also re: MoI's view on the replacement issue, it's consistent with what I've seen MoI say before. He even linked games in which he used this tell as town, so like... Yeah.

I think Silver is town, just a bit overzealous.

On another note, I'm also fairly sure there's scum pushing this Zinger lynch. At least 2, probably 3 on the Zinger wagon right now. I'm not sure, need a votecount to see who's actually on the lynch.

[killerjester]

1 and 2 aren't necessarily true. He does have a reason to help town (to avoid getting lynched or vigged) and his claimed ability isn't necessarily bad for town, if he's directed. Of course, it's impossible to tell (short of tracking him) whether he'd doing what we tell him to do, so it's not necessarily a good idea to keep him alive, but like... if I am mysteriously roleblocked tonight, I'm sure as hell going to be pushing for his lynch tomorrow, regardless of whether it was actually him that roleblocked me. It's actually in his best interests to work with town, because it doesn't really hinder his claimed win-con, and it means he's more likely to be kept alive.

Of course, that's assuming he's telling the truth about his role. Which I don't think he is. He's not scum, that much I'm confident about. If he is third party, I don't consider him a threat. There's the possibility he's town and this was some gambit he thought was a really smart idea, and considering it's Zinger, this is something I think is a very real possibility.

He did fakeclaim. Currently he claims town JK. That's why I switched from izak to him. Thoughts now that you know he lied about his role (gambit, if he is really town..I still don't believe him tbh)