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Post Post #650 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 3:50 pm

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Izak inspection: Note that I will try to keep this as less of a wall as possible

1. Confirms, he's late into the game due to v/la
2. Votes vifam wagon and shares some thoughts
3-9: Interacts with Zel1nK, jester comment, lots of fluff
10: Votes meran with me, insults me about jester
11: promises reads, chevre isn't scummy to him
12: 'zinger says it all' is why he fos's me. Also he wants zinger to hardclaim.
13-14: very little content if any
15-16: restates what I said on zinger
17: Breaks down Zingers argument, good post although maybe unnecessary, not too bad.
18: restating what he already said a bit

Basically, he wagoned on my Meran lynch, and then wagoned on my Zinger lynch. Both were for obvious reasons although on the latter he goes in depth. Has never given us his reads he promised and seems like he is never caught up. Also possible scum tell on the jester joke/insult. Might be softly buddying me and using the fos to cover it up, I don't know, he is certainly sheeping me to some degree. Although to be honest
both my lynch campaigns of Meran and zinger were for very obvious reasons and are easy to understand why you'd find them scummy.
So I don't see him as obvious mafia but I do find him scummy in that he rarely posts content, leaves empty promises, and has few original thoughts.
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Post Post #651 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 3:54 pm

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Day 1 Vote count 6


Zinger 11 - Rodion, Vezo,Leonshade, Pinky, Junpei, 3isFrench, Izak, Pappum,Cherve, KillerJester, DavidX (L-3)
Silverdrummer 4 - Slate, Oversoul, MOI, Nero
DavidX 2 - CHKBallin,PeregrineV
Leonshade 1 - Vollkan
Junpei 1 - Zinger, THAdmiral
Izak 1 - ZeL1nk
Pine 1 - Silver
Chkballin 1 - Andrew


With 27 alive it takes 14 to lynch with a deadline of 12th August 12pm EST
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Post Post #652 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 3:56 pm

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^ Drunk and he still cares! Now THAT'S dedication folks!
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Post Post #653 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:00 pm

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Just to sort of prevent any fighting or whatever, I'm going to state now that i'm not actually claiming magna is a cheater nor anything of the sort nor with that post being my actual intention to claim such a thing. I do apologize to you magna if you do take it this way or take severe offense in believing it to have been a real claim. Anyway let's not derail the talk that's actually been somewhat decent as of late with this plz.
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Post Post #654 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:03 pm

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Pvt Slate has confirmed he needs replaced. I have advertised for a replacement. Awaiting response from Pine who has not responded to Prod but has picked it up.
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Post Post #655 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:04 pm

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killerjester wrote:Thoughts now that you know he lied about his role


No different. He's either third party or town. Not worth killing today. I'd rather go after scum than worry about Zinger. Unless his win-con is surviving until D2 or something, he's insignificant.

votecount wrote:3isFrench, Izak, Pappum,Cherve


^2 scum there.
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Post Post #656 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:13 pm

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ZeL1nK wrote:
votecount wrote:3isFrench, Izak, Pappum,Cherve


^2 scum there.

I'd be more comfortable with pursuing those leads with a Zinger flip to back up the voting analysis. I don't think we could pull off a lynch on any of them today. Maybe tomorrow. Zinger has confirmed that he's lied for us, and really I don't know where to believe him at this point and where not to.
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Post Post #657 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:21 pm

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Post Post #658 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:23 pm

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ZeL1nK wrote:#430


Well that is true if we lynch him today, ignoring everything he says while not lynching him is basically giving him a free "lurk all day we won't care" get out of jail free card. So either we lynch him today or you can't keep spouting that philosophy around.
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Post Post #659 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:25 pm

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No, it's very simple. Ignore him and start scum hunting.

Just pretend he's not even posting.

It's very easy, I have skimmed over his posts over recent pages because I know there isn't any important content in them. He's not scum. He's not a threat. I am very happy to ignore him and have him lurk all day - I really don't care.
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Post Post #660 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:26 pm

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ZeL1nK wrote:No, it's very simple. Ignore him and start scum hunting.

Just pretend he's not even posting.

It's very easy, I have skimmed over his posts over recent pages because I know there isn't any important content in them. He's not scum. He's not a threat. I am very happy to ignore him and have him lurk all day - I really don't care.


...How do you know he isn't scum/a threat again...?
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Post Post #661 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:31 pm

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He's not doing this as scum. He's either third party playing like a VI or town playing like a VI, but he is not scum.

If he is actually third party, I don't see him as a threat.
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Post Post #662 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:33 pm

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ZeL1nK wrote:
If he is actually third party, I don't see him as a threat.


whaaa

How can you say that!?!
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Post Post #663 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:37 pm

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It's very easy. I hit a few keys on my keyboard then I click the "Submit" button.
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Post Post #664 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:40 pm

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ZeL1nK wrote:It's very easy. I hit a few keys on my keyboard then I click the "Submit" button.


>third party
>not town
>claimed RB
>Probably even worse than that
>Not a threat

Mind = blown
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Post Post #665 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:43 pm

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He's a claimed Jailer, not a Roleblocker. There's a difference.

Also

>Probably even worse than that


... is your theory, and one I don't agree with.
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Post Post #666 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:47 pm

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zelinks play is terribly anti-town, no matter what his alignment is.
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Post Post #667 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:49 pm

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ZeL1nK wrote:He's a claimed Jailer, not a Roleblocker. There's a difference.

Also

>Probably even worse than that


... is your theory, and one I don't agree with.


Jailer roleblocks, he claimed he even had a permanent roleblock ability.

It is probably worse because I'm almost certain that anti-town third party would soften up his role a bit to make town a little more forgiving. There is no reason to believe he'd work with town or even work to fulfill his win-con since he "doesn't care about this game" and is trolling around. Literally he said that he is doing stupidshit that he'd never do on the site he normally plays on because it would RUIN HIS REPUTATION. That is trolling. Thus, trying to say that there is no reason for him to directly harm town is silly.
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Post Post #668 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:51 pm

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ThreeIsFrench wrote:zelinks play is terribly anti-town, no matter what his alignment is.

By all means, do elaborate.
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Post Post #669 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:51 pm

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Thadmiral wrote:
unvote

vote: junpei


And the tracker claim?

Zinger wrote:
I am a jailkeeper. Which means I also protect my targets, but I guess that's not something worth considering for you guys.


Your motive is not to protect, though. Your motive is to target a specific player.

And that's assuming you are telling the whole truth about your role

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I've noticed the majority of players on this website are overconfident and arrogant and rude. I much prefer the other website I play on. The playerbase here sucks.

But alas, you do have a higher activity rate here. It's a shame really.

By the way, I've been lying to you all. I'm actually the town doctor.

Except I'm not, that was a lie. Or was it?

Your mom said hi.


BS. Town doc does not claim third-party JK.

If anything, this is only makes me think it more reasonable to lynch you, since if you are willing to lie we clearly can't trust you. (Also, I think it's arguable that if you are willing to lie to us to advance your win condition, then you are, in the most literal sense, anti-town)

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3. REPLACE OUTS ARE A NULL TELL. Sometimes it could be OH SHIT I'M SCUM AND ABOUT TO LOSE, REPLACE ME. Sometimes it could be OH SHIT I HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF STUFF IN REAL LIFE, REPLACE ME. Sometimes it could be I HATE THESE PLAYERS, REPLACE ME. There's no way for you to tell the motivation in any such act and thus it's a null tell and for you to suggest any other motivation from it is scummy in and of itself. Also lurker hunting? I said I was V/LA til friday or whichever day and you guys posted lots... so... obviously i gotta catch up.


Neither side of this argument is correct (this isn't just a theory rant, I promise :P)

Replacing out is ordinarily a null tell - even if it is a player replacing out under extreme pressure. Why? Because plenty of people don't like to lose. It's only a scumtell if the individual has a particular propensity for replacing out under pressure
as scum


Zinger wrote: I did not claim an anti-town third party role. You are distorting the facts.


You've claimed a highly improbable third party role which, on numbers alone, is likely to permanently disable a town power-role. Add to that the facts that you have already been willing to lie to advance your win condition, that you have no personal interest in catching scum (your sole motive during day phase is to not lynch people who you think has your item), and that I am far from convinced that you are being completely honest, and there is good reason for thinking that your role is anti-town.

Unvote, vote: Zinger


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This is what I am talking about. Look at the arrogance in this statement.

You should trust your mod to do his job and shouldn't tell him how you think it should be done.

All these requests for other players to be replaced, what right do you have to demand someone else be forcibly removed from the game? None.


Actually, any player has the right to request the replacement of another player when that player is, to use the technical term, "being a dick". In your case, I can only presume that you've become embarrassed/upset by the fact that your fail-claim has been poorly received and so now you are lashing out against the players in this game, and the site in general, when the real problem is just that you've done a terrible job playing your role.

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3. You are either an arrogant idiot or you know exactly why he requested replacement which you wouldn't know unless you have inside knowledge. Everyone please note this as evidence of bussing or cheating or more than likely arrogance


How is it evidence of bussing? Attacking somebody for replacing out is common. I don't agree with it, but it is hardly evidence of bussing - let alone cheating.

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I'm just a standard town Jailkeeper. It was all a fakeclaim. You can lynch me for lying now.


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Post Post #670 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:59 pm

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volkan wrote:Neither side of this argument is correct (this isn't just a theory rant, I promise )

Replacing out is ordinarily a null tell - even if it is a player replacing out under extreme pressure. Why? Because plenty of people don't like to lose. It's only a scumtell if the individual has a particular propensity for replacing out under pressure as scum

Then you can only legitimately claim it's a scum tell if you know said person is scum no?
which leads to
How is it evidence of bussing? Attacking somebody for replacing out is common. I don't agree with it, but it is hardly evidence of bussing - let alone cheating.

bussing ala he's a scum partner bussing his scummate

Wait i misread the original post so sorta scratch the above. Does the replacee have a propensity to always replace as scum?
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Post Post #671 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:11 pm

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silverdrummer wrote:
volkan wrote:Neither side of this argument is correct (this isn't just a theory rant, I promise )

Replacing out is ordinarily a null tell - even if it is a player replacing out under extreme pressure. Why? Because plenty of people don't like to lose. It's only a scumtell if the individual has a particular propensity for replacing out under pressure as scum

Then you can only legitimately claim it's a scum tell if you know said person is scum no?
which leads to
How is it evidence of bussing? Attacking somebody for replacing out is common. I don't agree with it, but it is hardly evidence of bussing - let alone cheating.

bussing ala he's a scum partner bussing his scummate

Wait i misread the original post so sorta scratch the above. Does the replacee have a propensity to always replace as scum?


Yeah, that's my question.

It's rarely a scumtell, but it's a reasonable (in the sense of not being scummy) line of accusation.
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Post Post #672 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:11 pm

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Meh, Zinger is still Third Party that got scared he'd get lynched and changed his thoughts. I don't like french-fry-dude's post.

Also, nothing scummy about Leon, sorry.
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Post Post #673 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:18 pm

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Why is zinger not dead yet?
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Post Post #674 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:49 pm

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Oh god, just when I thought it couldn't get any worse. Why, Zinger? WHY? You are playing the worst game I have ever seen, by a LONG way. The third-party claim. The lies. The attempt to make us all uncertain.

We lynch you today. Worst-case scenario, we lynch a Townie who was playing a really awful strategy and who would have been a serious hinderance if left alive. Best-case scenario, we lynch a scum who went on the stupidest gambit ever.

But whatever happens, I'm blacklisting you, and I hope others will do the same.
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