Subgenius wrote:Ivan: I still feel like Ivan has been stubborn and unwilling to contribute until he is confronted. This is not townie play. If I hadn't gotten on his case, he'd probably still be drifting by with nothing but one liners and unsupported scum lists.
Subgenius wrote:Llama: Originally, I voted Llama primarily as a means of seeing what your reaction would be. I, for one, still think that his blatant sacrifice of Acro out of bare self-preservation is a significant scum tell. Perhaps it isn't damning, but it's one of the biggest scum tells that has been dropped all game, and unfortunately, I just can't find anything that would make me think he's town. He hasn't produced much in the way of scum hunting. Plus I still don't like you backing away from saying the hammer was a scum tell.
And Beck because there have been a number of times where I haven't felt like your opinions and stances are developing naturally. You forgot that you ever had a town read on Ivan, which makes me think that you were full of it when you made the read in the first place. You contradicted yourself about the Llama hammer. I still feel like there's a link between you and Llama.
@Magic
Here's a link to a longer case on Ivan if you're interested.
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Bearing in mind how much of the heat I'm facing is because of my grandiose accusations against Beck and Llama, I think it's pretty silly to say that I"m picking the shallowest and easiest things to talk about. Granted, I'm being pretty lazy about my cases at this point, but that's mostly because I hold very little hope that they would do me much good. Anyhow, I think the read on Beck and Llama is anything but shallow and non-messy. Nobody else picked up Beck backing off his Llama scum read. Nobody else felt like questioning him about his shift on Llama's hammer. Nobody else called Beck on "forgetting" to vote for Jilynne after unvoting me. You can disagree with these opinions, but to say that they're shallow and clean is not accurate. If you're going to lynch me, do it because you think I was over pursuing a player most people think is town, or lynch me because I didn't want to lynch Jilynne after suspecting SK all of D1, but don't lynch me for making easy and inoffensive cases. That's just inaccurate.
Magic wrote:What's your straightforward, full read on him?
You're surprised I didn't mention a player I described as bland as one of my three strongest reads? I've taken note of his defense of me, and I'm not sure what to make of it. I've taken note of him mirroring my attacks on Beck, and again, I'm not sure what to make of it. All I can come up with is WIFOM. On the one hand, I don't think it makes sense for scum to attach himself to the cases of a sinking ship, so maybe he's town. On the other hand, he might think defending me will provide town cred after I die. Reading back over his ISO, I agree with a lot of the things he's said, but then I disagree with how easily he returned to a town read on Beck now that it looks pretty clear that I'm going down. Sorry to disappoint you, but my straightforward read on Tommy is, "I don't know."
If I absolutely had to pick, I'd say I lean town on him based on his opinions matching my own quite frequently. We had similar views on the Jilynne wagon, similar views on Magic's plan for competing wagons, similar views about Ivan, etc. I wish he was more aggressive, but I can't come up with any solid reason to think he's scum.
I guess that was more stream of conscious than straightforward, but hopefully that's sufficient.
