Wizards at the Sorcerers' Den - Endgame

[Vaya]

I'm still curious about the lack of Vaya action over grabbing an item. and the lack of Vaya response.

My response is that I don't care if you or RBT think I should drop the scroll, as is why I didn't pay you any attention the first time you brought it up.

About SGR, I really don't like the idea of lynching someone who claims to be able to confirm himself town. The obvious problem with his suggestion though is that scum can easily just kill off RBT and keep him from being confirmed. Perhaps one or two other people should confirm that they are considered undead(not confirming they are a wight, be careful not to actually claim), and SGR can pick among them without saying which he picked.

[SGRaaize]

Perhaps one or two other people should confirm that they are considered undead(not confirming they are a wight, be careful not to actually claim), and SGR can pick among them without saying which he picked.

I approve

[Riceballtail]

Except for the vengeful part of my role, sure. Scum don't really want to touch me at night because I get to vig out of anyone who targets me.

[SGRaaize]

Except for the vengeful part of my role, sure. Scum don't really want to touch me at night because I get to vig out of anyone who targets me.

Well, then, nevermind. We don't lynch me, tomorrow, I'll prove you're town.
I don't think Mafia will sac just so I don't clear myself

[SGRaaize]

I'll prove you're town.

I'll prove I'm town to you.

Also, its better to prove to RTB I'm town because he's 100% confirmed town due to revival, so it 100% clears me to everyone too

[WrathChild]

I don't think we should lynch SGR ever. His stupid Scum-Claim reeks of Jester Win-con. He needs to die by bullet. I'll put dollars to cents that his "confirmation plan" fails and we are just forced to lynch him tomorrow.

[SGRaaize]

I don't think we should lynch SGR ever. His stupid Scum-Claim reeks of Jester Win-con. He needs to die by bullet. I'll put dollars to cents that his "confirmation plan" fails and we are just forced to lynch him tomorrow.

Jesus Christ, this is stupid

1) If I were a Jester, there wouldn't be any problem lynching me, because you wouldn't lose anything, as our win-conditions wouldn't collide
2) If I were a Jester, why would I be fighting so hard not to get lynched? I'm being sucesful, I'm getting people to unvote me, so I'm obviously not doing a good job
3) I am not a Jester, I am town, and I have a way to prove it. Lynch someone else today, and if my plan fails tomorrow, lynch me then, sounds easy enough. Its not like I'm the only person excluded to be scum via POE.

[WrathChild]

What kind of Town claims frickin scum as a "Joke"?

[SGRaaize]

Me

[Snow_Bunny]

Votecount

2- gandalf5166

[Healthy]

(0) -
3- A Gaggle of Geese

[Healthy]

(0)
5- Riceballtail

[Bruised]

(0)
7- Bunnylover

[Healthy]

(0) -
8- GreyICE

[Healthy]

(0) -
10- Vaya

[Healthy]

(2) - Zdenek, BabySpice
12- WrathChild

[Healthy]

(0)
15- PeregrineV

[Bleeding]

(1) - SGRaaize
16- BabySpice

[Healthy]

(0)
17- Surye

[Healthy]

(3) - PeregrineV, Feysal, WrathChild
18- Zdenek

[Healthy]

(0) -
19- SpyreX

[Bleeding]

(0) -
20- inHimshallibe

[Bruised]

(0)
21- SGRaaize

[Bruised]

(6) - SpyreX, inHimshallibe, Bowser, GreyICE, gandalf5166, Riceballtail
23- Feysal

[Healthy]

(0)
25- Bowser

[Healthy]

(0)

Not voting (4): Bunnylover, Surye, Vaya, AGOG

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline is on July 27th at midnight (GMT -5)

[Feysal]

What kind of Town claims frickin scum as a "Joke"?

My role PM was ambiguous about my alignment, so I daycopped myself just to be sure. Good thing too. It turns out I'm scum.

I didn't claim scum. I claimed that I investigated myself as scum. I could be paranoid. I simply believe that I am scum.

Gandalf apparently. But then again...

I have a flavor of investigation as one of the abilities I can use. It tells me if someone's bears hostility towards me. I doubt it works on undead period (I'd probably get no result if it's like most of the rest), I don't know how that would interact with third parties, but I'm fairly certain how it interacts with scum.

You answered everything except the when, and that was what interested me the most. It is time I explained why.

There are only so many times you could have investigated Gandalf, two days and two nights. Night two is out, since everything seems to point toward the conclusion that Katy was turned into a lightning rod, and you could not have obtained a reliable result. Day two is out, since you yourself said you had mass roleblocked everyone. Night one is out, since that was when Bunnylover used the mass redirect, so again you could not have obtained a reliable result.

That leaves day one as the only possibility. And there is something off with that too. For reference, here are links to posts where you mentioned a read on Gandalf on day one:

Scum Gandalf

#11, #258, #324

Town Gandalf

#872, #993, #1103, #1108, #1281, #1307, #1408

You started the game suspecting Gandalf, but halfway through day one you started to defend him. This would make perfect sense if you had obtained information on him then...

except the rules say that abilities used during the day resolve during twilight, so you couldn't have

.

And don't get me started on how weird it would be if you investigated Gandalf despite already having a town read on him, after the way you criticized Katy in #1465 for checking out the masons.

Do explain, because this does not add up.

[Zdenek]

WrathChild, I still want to know why you think Vaya is town.

I am okay with SGR's plan, and I don't think anyone else should claim undead for Vaya (if RBT is alive, we have confirmed town in SGR, and if not, we have dead scum from her vengeful kill).

[GreyICE]

You started the game suspecting Gandalf, but halfway through day one you started to defend him. This would make perfect sense if you had obtained information on him then...

except the rules say that abilities used during the day resolve during twilight, so you couldn't have

.

And don't get me started on how weird it would be if you investigated Gandalf despite already having a town read on him, after the way you criticized Katy in #1465 for checking out the masons.

Do explain, because this does not add up.

The answer is fairly simple. Me and Katsuki disagreed somewhat strongly on this issue. I didn't see how the hell he had a town read, he just said 'well this isn't scum Gandalf lol ICE.' Okay, it was longer than that, but that's the summary.

Anyway we agreed that I'd follow Kats' lead. If he was scum, we'd be unlikely to be killed for defending scum strongly, and we could always claim PR results. If he investigated town we didn't have to do that sudden switch in behavior that tips scum off about cop results.

[WrathChild]

WrathChild, I still want to know why you think Vaya is town.

I am okay with SGR's plan, and I don't think anyone else should claim undead for Vaya (if RBT is alive, we have confirmed town in SGR, and if not, we have dead scum from her vengeful kill).

And I still want to know why you think I think Vaya is town. Quote please. You won't dig one up because it doesn't exist. Should you continue to misreprent it would make my job of building a strong case on you a lot easier.

[WrathChild]

Votecount

2- gandalf5166

[Healthy]

(0) -
3- A Gaggle of Geese

[Healthy]

(0)
5- Riceballtail

[Bruised]

(0)
7- Bunnylover

[Healthy]

(0) -
8- GreyICE

[Healthy]

(0) -
10- Vaya

[Healthy]

(2) - Zdenek, BabySpice
12- WrathChild

[Healthy]

(0)
15- PeregrineV

[Bleeding]

(1) - SGRaaize
16- BabySpice

[Healthy]

(0)
17- Surye

[Healthy]

(3) - PeregrineV, Feysal, WrathChild
18- Zdenek

[Healthy]

(0) -
19- SpyreX

[Bleeding]

(0) -
20- inHimshallibe

[Bruised]

(0)
21- SGRaaize

[Bruised]

(6) - SpyreX, inHimshallibe, Bowser, GreyICE, gandalf5166, Riceballtail
23- Feysal

[Healthy]

(0)
25- Bowser

[Healthy]

(0)

Not voting (4): Bunnylover, Surye, Vaya, AGOG

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline is on July 27th at midnight (GMT -5)

You know what? I don't like my company on the Surye lynch, count me out.

UNVOTE, VOTE: Zdenek

[Zdenek]

WrathChild, I still want to know why you think Vaya is town.

I am okay with SGR's plan, and I don't think anyone else should claim undead for Vaya (if RBT is alive, we have confirmed town in SGR, and if not, we have dead scum from her vengeful kill).

And I still want to know why you think I think Vaya is town. Quote please. You won't dig one up because it doesn't exist. Should you continue to misreprent it would make my job of building a strong case on you a lot easier.

Okay, then why is Vaya not on your lynch list.

[WrathChild]

Do you want to go back and read this game or do you want to continue to ask me questions I've already answered?

[Zdenek]

This was your ISO 64

I've narrowed the possible scum down to:

7- Bunnylover
11- SnakePlissken
14- Beefster
16- BabySpice
17- LynchMePls
18- Zdenek
20- inHimshallibe
21- SGRaaize
23- Feysal

Dry-fit's not on the list, and I couldn't find a reason for it, neither he nor Vaya has appeared on your list since (I think).

And I still want to know why you think I think Vaya is town. Quote please. You won't dig one up because it doesn't exist. Should you continue to misreprent it would make my job of building a strong case on you a lot easier.

Presumably he's not on the list because you think he is not possible scum.

[WrathChild]

Now we're getting somewhere Gaggle.

Of those people, Peregrine will die unless I do anything about it. Take him off your list.

I'd like to give Vaya another Day being that I don't like holding replacements accountable for their predecessor's inactivity.

I'd like to take Bowser (CLS) off the list because I want to at least hear what he has to say.

That leaves us with the same list of people that we'd be happy lynching. That makes me feel a bit better about your towness.

That was hard. Do you know you can use the Search by Poster option at the bottom of the page?

[Zdenek]

Now we're getting somewhere Gaggle.

Of those people, Peregrine will die unless I do anything about it. Take him off your list.

I'd like to give Vaya another Day being that I don't like holding replacements accountable for their predecessor's inactivity.

I'd like to take Bowser (CLS) off the list because I want to at least hear what he has to say.

That leaves us with the same list of people that we'd be happy lynching. That makes me feel a bit better about your towness.

That was hard. Do you know you can use the Search by Poster option at the bottom of the page?

That was much later in the game. I want to know why Dry-fit was removed from your list so early.

[WrathChild]

He was about to be replaced.

[SGRaaize]

The deadline is coming closer and closer, unvote me.

[PeregrineV]

Ahh, sir, you have dangled the bait. I'll probably accept. But, we both know what happens to me when I start posting actual reads, thoughts, and analysis.

You'll probably step on someone's toes, and end up killed because of it. However, you are likely to end up killed anyway, so the least you could do is share your thoughts while you are able. If you are town.

LOL at Feysal's incentive.

Fine - last big game (24players) I was in had 8 scum in 2 teams. 8 seems high but falls within the 25-33% range.

3- A Gaggle of Geese- claimed mason, but scum!

5- Riceballtail- TOWN

7- Bunnylover-Town, brought CSL into game

8- GreyICE- not town

12- WrathChild- Town Jerk

16- BabySpice - not town, bounty hunter of some sort

17- Surye-scum!

19- Spyrex- claimed Mason, but scum!

21- SGRaaize- scum!

25- CLS- modconfirmed town, but gone tomorrow (I think)

So these are the leftovers (2 POE scum): Pick 2:
2- gandalf5166- gut likes-town
10- Vaya- replaced Dry-Fit- gut doesn't like-scum
18- Zdenek- gut likes-town
20- inHimshallibe- gut likes-town
23- Feysal- gut likes-town

Yes, I know claimed masons, blah, blah, blah. I know they were investigated by Katy and someone else. But if there can be such a thing as Godfathers in a normal game, you can't expect me to think investigation immune doesn't exist in this game. And 2 slots, 3 players, confirmed town, and their not taking a HUGE ass leadership role? I mean, zero lynched scum?

So if any of my red are green, move up the extra POEs.

Anyways, there you go!

[A Gaggle of Geese]

yes we're both godfather, that's right, that's right. gg.

[A Gaggle of Geese]

imma change my sig soon btw, to fix it for truth, but anyway.

pretty sure Vaya has to be scum by POE btw