Newbie 1117(Town Wins)

BBmolla · Post Post #550 (ISO) » Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:41 pm

Cool, here's a vote I can finally agree with.

VOTE: bvoigt

Wagons are probably going to be me and bv.

SomeRandomGuy · Post Post #551 (ISO) » Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:25 am

I'm not too up for lynching BB - I will if it's the option and it's not to say I disagree with that lynch - I don't but i'd say that if BB is scum the main threat we face as town is his partner.

BB wrote:I'd vote bvoigt but I've got nothing solid against him.

A couple of posts later and no case put forward:

BB wrote: Wagons are probably going to be me and bv.

And a vote on Bv - Are you choosing him simply because you see it as him or you? or because you believe he is scum? If so what solid reasoning do you now have that you didn't a few posts ago?

drmyshottyizsik · Post Post #552 (ISO) » Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:08 am

.|Vote count 12|.

BBmolla-2(bvoigt, VeryDark)

L-2

VoidedMafia-1(ToastyToast)
SomeRandomGuy-0
verydark-0
ToastyToast-0
zMuffinMan-1(SomeRandomGuy)
bvoigt-2(zMuffinMan, BBmolla)

L-2

Not Voting-1(VoidedMafia)

With 7 alive it takes 4 votes to lynch

If there are any problems tell me.

Voidedmafia · Post Post #553 (ISO) » Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:16 am

Mod: Muffin ain't at L-2. That should be on bv.

BBmolla · Post Post #554 (ISO) » Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:33 pm

SomeRandomGuy wrote:I'm not too up for lynching BB - I will if it's the option and it's not to say I disagree with that lynch - I don't but i'd say that if BB is scum the main threat we face as town is his partner.

BB wrote:I'd vote bvoigt but I've got nothing solid against him.

A couple of posts later and no case put forward:

BB wrote: Wagons are probably going to be me and bv.

And a vote on Bv - Are you choosing him simply because you see it as him or you? or because you believe he is scum? If so what solid reasoning do you now have that you didn't a few posts ago?

Here's how I see.

I'm getting non town reads on verydark/bvoigt. I'll got null leaning town on Voided at this point. And then I've got town on SRG, Toast, and Muffin.

I don't have anything solid on bvoigt, it's true, but I never will. Trusting my gut.

If people were more leaning to vote verydark or Voided, I would probably jump on either of those. However, I'd prefer lynching bvoigt than Voided, which is why I voted bvoigt when him and Voided both have votes.

Reads are all subject to change after someone is lynched though.

Also, I already addressed that the knowledge gained by lynching me is worth it to a point, except for the whole not lynching scum thing. In all honesty, I'd prefer to get lynched now if all these people really think I'm scum cause we'll have to deal with it tomorrow if I don't get lynched and that'll cause problems.

zMuffinMan · Post Post #555 (ISO) » Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:48 pm

OK, so, just want to make it clear, in case it already wasn't. I don't support a BB lynch at all.

And if it comes down to bv/BB (one or the other) because of the deadline, I'll be pushing bv hard.

The thing with bv is, I don't get the feeling that he's actually considering anything other than 'standard' tells. Like, it's hard to describe, but every time he accuses someone of being scum, it's like he's looking at the face of their posts, and not digging any deeper to get a feel for their alignment. Doesn't sit well with me.

My only problem is I'm having a hard time seeing partnerships. BB is definitely not his partner. verydark is not his partner. After rereading the game, SRG has gone back to being a town read for me, but I'm still interested in hearing his suspicions, which he has yet to comment on after saying he'd give them - not going to rule him out as scum, but less likely in my mind right now. Toasty-bv? I don't see this as likely. Voided-bv? It's something that needs to be explored if bv flips scum.

I'm interested in testing where Toasty, SRG and Voided are going to put their vote now, and seeing the what the flip is afterwards.

ToastyToast · Post Post #556 (ISO) » Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:57 pm

When is deadline? bv is one of my scum reads, so I'm definitely voting him over BB if those are our only choices. I wish bv was more actively defending, as there are certainly holes in some of the reasons for voting him. In fact, its his lack of a strong presence that is concerning me most atm.

I agree with Muffin with the "standard tells" thing as well...it seems like a facade.

zMuffinMan · Post Post #557 (ISO) » Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:21 pm

Deadline is in a bit under 3 days.

I am mostly working off PoE, so it's not like I think I have the strongest of cases on bv.

Voidedmafia · Post Post #558 (ISO) » Wed Jul 20, 2011 8:38 pm

I will still stand by my nullscum read over my null read.

Vote: BBmolla L-1

zMuffinMan · Post Post #559 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:41 am

Why is he nullscum for you?

zMuffinMan · Post Post #560 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:47 am

Has anyone heard of the Amished tell btw?

verydark · Post Post #561 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:50 am

Toasty & Muffin, are you going to be voting today? We are 2 days from deadline.

@BV please note that you will probably be claiming relatively soon. If Toasty & Muffin stick to their word.

ToastyToast wrote: I'm definitely voting him over BB if those are our only choices.

zMuffinMant wrote:And if it comes down to bv/BB (one or the other) because of the deadline, I'll be pushing bv hard.

SRG has his vote on Muffin, but he feels BB is nulltown and BV is unknown.

This is going to be an interesting day.

zMuffinMan · Post Post #562 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:52 am

SomeRandomGuy · Post Post #563 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:12 am

zMuffinMan wrote:Has anyone heard of the Amished tell btw?

I havent, what is it?

verydark · Post Post #564 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:13 am

@Muffin - Whoops, missed that. Thanks.

Toasty needs to get his vote on BV, then looks like you'll have the hammer SRG.

SomeRandomGuy · Post Post #565 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:27 am

verydark wrote:then looks like you'll have the hammer SRG.

Just what I've always wanted! <.<

BBmolla · Post Post #566 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:40 am

My arguement today is that I'm not scum and that bvoigt is. If you lynch me, please lynch the Mafia at LYLO.

ToastyToast · Post Post #567 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:45 am

Unvote:Vote:bvoigt

I don't see a sudden switch to voided happening anytime soon. I just hope bv's around to claim.

bvoigt · Post Post #568 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:41 am

zMuffinMan wrote:The thing with bv is, I don't get the feeling that he's actually considering anything other than 'standard' tells. Like, it's hard to describe, but every time he accuses someone of being scum, it's like he's looking at the face of their posts, and not digging any deeper to get a feel for their alignment. Doesn't sit well with me.

Well, I feel like BB, and Toasty and Voided to an extent,

have

had scum motivations on a "deeper" level. He showed that he was focused on survival early in the game. His vote on kad seemed to be more for unhelpfulness than scumminess, and you could say it was also only looking at the surface: kad's lack of content appeared to be his playstyle more than anything else. As for Toasty, he twisted some common actions into scumtells when making his case, which helps him to get a mislynch. And Voided's vote on BB was somewhat similar to BB's vote on kad.

SomeRandomGuy wrote:
zMuffinMan wrote:Has anyone heard of the Amished tell btw?

I havent, what is it?

It's basically when someone, replacing in, apologizes for the play of their predecessor. I've seen it used here, but the player in question flipped town.

ToastyToast wrote:When is deadline? bv is one of my scum reads, so I'm definitely voting him over BB if those are our only choices. I wish bv was more actively defending, as there are certainly holes in some of the reasons for voting him. In fact, its his lack of a strong presence that is concerning me most atm.

What do you want me to say? I've made my points about BB, and I'm waiting and hoping he gets lynched.

verydark wrote:@BV please note that you will probably be claiming relatively soon. If Toasty & Muffin stick to their word.

I will only claim if SRG says that he intends to hammer.

bvoigt · Post Post #569 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:50 am

Also, I will be

V/LA

from Saturday the 23rd through Sunday the 31st.

Voidedmafia · Post Post #570 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:32 am

zMuffinMan wrote:Why is he nullscum for you?

As I've said, he was scummy for most of D1, managed to pull himself out of the lynch near the end (again, why I voted Kad instead of BB in the first place), and now he's sunk back from his towniness.

Also, if the amished tell means I apologize for my predecessor's actions, then I haven't done that at all, so it's not really applicable..

Bv: More defense for yourself, I think...not that you'll be able to now.

SomeRandomGuy · Post Post #571 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:12 am

Ok ladies, defences up please, as well as arguments against the other person - especially you BB, you've only really said you've been suspicious of Bv and not really YOUR case, don't just echo other cases on him, see if you can find something that makes you certain which may not have been mentioned. I'll be reading over things too of course, but i'd like to see why you believe the other wagon is the best lynch and i swear to god one: 'I'm not scum, so the best lynch is him!' and i'll hammer whoever said it right there.

bvoigt · Post Post #572 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:17 am

Quick post, as I just remembered: if we lynch a townie today, Day 3 is Lynch-or-Lose (LyLo). Do not vote right away unless you're sure someone is scum, because the two scum can "quickhammer" for the win.

bvoigt · Post Post #573 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:38 pm

@SRG: Anything you want to ask me about my BB case? I think I've summarized it a couple of times already.

SomeRandomGuy · Post Post #574 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:04 pm

Nothing specific right now but i may well have some questions after a read through i've planned for tomorrow (today now here in the uk). I'll be honest in that the request was more aimed toward BB as from what I remember, he hasn't really gone through what the case on you is and i'd like to see it from his perspective. I don't want to feel like his vote is based on it being a perceived choice of you or him.

More tomorrow.