Open 320- Tit for Tat: Game Over!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The buddy thing was a reaction test.

He failed.

[StefanB]

I have one game with LLD, in which I was lynched D1. I've never played with any of the others.
Page think what?

You and Magua shure look like you have history together...
She wanted you lynched on page 12 because she didn't want to make a page 13 today.
Perhaps everythink makes more sense later.

[SleepyKrew]

The buddy thing was a reaction test.

He failed.

Enlighten us, please?

Stefan, we don't, we were just fooling around

[MagnaofIllusion]

So Magua, SleepyKrew, LL and MoI know eachother quite well, interesting.

Your assumption based on the Party Hat avatars (that’s where I guess you are getting it) isn’t completely valid. I have never played with SleepyKrew before this. Magua and LLD on the other hand you are correct about.

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I thought I made it clear that I wouldn't back a lynch with baseless arguments. Sure, VE was over-the-top and abrasive, but none of his actions were scummy to me. The only person who even posted a somewhat convincing argument against VE was Sigma, and he didn't even vote for VE.

I disagree. As I noted Viscera’s reaction to abrasive play from LLD was not what I would expect from someone who was being so abrasive themselves. It’s quite easy to discern they are clearly Town before the flip when they aren’t in your Role-PM as your buddies …

Yeah, that was a noob mistake. I have yet to play any games with a vigilante, so now I'm up to speed.

Oh look, one of my favorite new tells. The “ooops it was a Newb mistake I didn’t understand the clearly posted Set-up in an Open Game” tell. Who pulled that same sort of play in Umbrage’s “Jungle Republic” Mafia? Cjdrum and Neil1113 both did, and both were Mafia.

So here, have this!!

VOTE: Verydark

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I really don't like Seraphim. I really don't like a post that starts off with how town Viscera is looking and then ends with a vote on Viscera.

Reviewing Seraphim probably tomorrow …

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I'll sheep that.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Seraphim
So Harry Potter lasted 2+ days?

Please elaborate on what Harry Potter has anything to do with voting Seraphim.

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Same to you, LLD

Um clearly LLD wasn’t RVS voting you. The post she quoted was clear evidence of that.

Why are you claiming every vote on you today is an RVS vote?

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Don't. Get. Me. Started.

I've done this. WAY too much.

Especially in NIGHT ACTIONS.

Good times … good times

[SigmaEXE003]

Thread needs more Sigma and Stefan.

That it does. Unfortunately, life doesn't always let me post. I try to get on whenever possible.

Sigma I find scummy for the complete opposite, he's all "Viscera is scummy" but then never actually votes him while still continuing to shoot down his posts.

And that's scummy... why?

I don't really like Magua's case on Seraphim. He said that VE looked town

on page 2

. From what I've seen, replacements tend to give their thoughts as of certain posts. I don't think him saying VE was scummy later is contradicting himself, rather a change in thought process over time.

[SleepyKrew]

Seraphim said in his last post he was going out to see Harry Potter. Since he hadn't posted since then...
So no comments on me being scum?
PEDIT: Making a solid case on someone scummy and then not voting is protown?

[SigmaEXE003]

I thought I made it clear that I wouldn't back a lynch with baseless arguments. Sure, VE was over-the-top and abrasive, but none of his actions were scummy to me. The only person who even posted a somewhat convincing argument against VE was Sigma, and he didn't even vote for VE.

I disagree. As I noted Viscera’s reaction to abrasive play from LLD was not what I would expect from someone who was being so abrasive themselves.

It’s quite easy to discern they are clearly Town before the flip when they aren’t in your Role-PM as your buddies

…

You're assuming he's scum and then looking for evidence that his actions could come from a scum perspective. It doesn't work that way.

Yeah, that was a noob mistake. I have yet to play any games with a vigilante, so now I'm up to speed.

Oh look, one of my favorite new tells. The “ooops it was a Newb mistake I didn’t understand the clearly posted Set-up in an Open Game” tell. Who pulled that same sort of play in Umbrage’s “Jungle Republic” Mafia? Cjdrum and Neil1113 both did, and both were Mafia.

So here, have this!!

VOTE: Verydark

WIFOM, WIFOM, and more WIFOM.

@ SK: I didn't say it was pro-town. It's just not scummy. Not pro-town =/= scummy. It's null, really. Some people just don't put votes that easily. It's more indicative of play style than alignment. Remember, it was my first post in this game, on page 5. I didn't expect to have solid enough reads to put him at L-1.

[SleepyKrew]

Why didn't you vote later?
Why WERE you so lurky D1?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Ummm ... I'm actually assessing from his "WOW YOU LYNCHED TOWN" statement and general Day 1 play that he's scum. Nice way to reverse the flow of events in your defense of Verydark.

Also, please explain what exactly is WIFOM about the "Lulz, it was a newb mistake" regarding Open Set-ups. Thanks!

[Magua]

Sigma I find scummy for the complete opposite, he's all "Viscera is scummy" but then never actually votes him while still continuing to shoot down his posts.

And that's scummy... why?

If you think someone's scummy, you should vote that person. I see no reason to be afraid of putting someone at L-1 on D1.

Mudslinging while not voting is what scum do to get someone lynched while not being on the wagon themselves. You are absolutely not allowed to bandy about terms like "Appeal to Emotion" and then ask why not voting is scummy. It's not like you were advocating any other possible lynch.

I don't really like Magua's case on Seraphim. He said that VE looked town

on page 2

. From what I've seen, replacements tend to give their thoughts as of certain posts. I don't think him saying VE was scummy later is contradicting himself, rather a change in thought process over time.

I was being quite literal when I said that Seraphim's post starts out saying VE is town, and then voting VE

in the same post

. This is not an instance of "he said one thing and then changed his mind later." This is him fence-sitting. I wasn't even referencing anything that kondi posted.

Oh look, one of my favorite new tells. The “ooops it was a Newb mistake I didn’t understand the clearly posted Set-up in an Open Game” tell. Who pulled that same sort of play in Umbrage’s “Jungle Republic” Mafia? Cjdrum and Neil1113 both did, and both were Mafia.

So here, have this!!

VOTE: Verydark

That's a huge stretch. I haven't read Open 302, but neither cjdrum nor Neil1113 are newbies. verydark is. I had a townread on him even before the vig comment because his D1 play shows he obviously cares...unlike Seraphim or Sigma.

Jury's out on LLD's SleepyKrew test. I don't find a sarcastic "OMG YOU FOUND ME OUT" an alignment tell in either direction for him.

[SleepyKrew]

Psst, Seraphim is V/LA.
You should reply to the PM I sent you

[Magua]

Seraphim being on V/LA does not change my scummy read of him from D1.

Re: the PM, I'm asking Regfan how his hydra'ing with you went and will make a decision when I get a response from him. Patience.

[SleepyKrew]

The Seraphim comment was directed at you saying he's not interested, not at your read.
I never hydrad with Reg.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm not talking about that post, Magua.

I'm talkig about how he defends his actions as merely being his "ego".

[SleepyKrew]

I mentioned my ego

before

your reactiontest.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And then I called you scum for it.

And then you said "I didn't know ego was alignment indicative" as a defense.

[SleepyKrew]

Because I didn't take your accusation seriously.
I tend to do that with shitcases.
It just so happens this one was a reactiontest and not a shitcase.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

^ Self Meta

Can we lynch it yet?

[SleepyKrew]

So Sigma can self-meta but I can't?
How am I

supposed

to defend myself?

[Magua]

Can we lynch it yet?

No.

I'm not interested in lynching anyone until Seraphim comes back from V/LA.

[SigmaEXE003]

Why didn't you vote later?
Why WERE you so lurky D1?

I was on V/LA in the beginning, when I got back, his wagon was at L-2. Soon after my post, his wagon built to L-1. No one unvoted. I did not intend to hammer, so no, I did not vote later.

Ummm ... I'm actually assessing from his "WOW YOU LYNCHED TOWN" statement and general Day 1 play that he's scum. Nice way to reverse the flow of events in your defense of Verydark.

What I'm getting at is you assumed he was scum, and then noted that if he was scum, he would know who the townies were. I bolded "It’s quite easy to discern they are clearly Town before the flip when they aren’t in your Role-PM as your buddies …" for a reason.

Also, please explain what exactly is WIFOM about the "Lulz, it was a newb mistake" regarding Open Set-ups. Thanks!

Well, it could genuinely be a noob mistake. But maybe that's what he wants you to think, and it's actually a scum gambit. But maybe he knows you know that, so he wouldn't try a gambit like that. But maybe he thinks you think that, and thus could feasibly get away with the gambit...

And it goes on.

If you think someone's scummy, you should vote that person. I see no reason to be afraid of putting someone at L-1 on D1.

So you don't like how I play. That doesn't make it scummy. I personally don't want to put a completely serious wagon at L-1 on page 5. If you think that's scummy, that's your problem.

Mudslinging while not voting is what scum do to get someone lynched while not being on the wagon themselves.

WIFOM.

You are absolutely not allowed to bandy about terms like "Appeal to Emotion" and then ask why not voting is scummy. It's not like you were advocating any other possible lynch.

I wasn't even advocating VE's lynch. I was just saying what he had done so far was suspicious. Not to mention the AtE was a small part of my case. It was mostly his backtracking. I had intended to wait longer to get reads on more than one person before placing a vote.

I was being quite literal when I said that Seraphim's post starts out saying VE is town, and then voting VE

in the same post

. This is not an instance of "he said one thing and then changed his mind later." This is him fence-sitting. I wasn't even referencing anything that kondi posted.

Hey, chucklefuck, Kondi never even posted.

Anyway, perhaps you've misunderstood. He said that by VE's actions on page 2, he looked town, but his actions later made him look scummy. It's not a contradiction. His opinion of VE just changed between his page 2 actions and his later actions. The only thing you have against him is that he brought up that VE's page 2 actions look townish when he knew well his opinion on VE had changed by then. But from what I've seen, this is fairly common among replacements. They post their notes from when reading the thread, what they were thinking while reading the thread, rather than only their thoughts as of their catch-up post.

So Sigma can self-meta but I can't?

Woahwoahwoah, wait, when did I do that?

[SleepyKrew]

lynch it with fire
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Sigma

[Magua]

Sigma: I have not insulted you. Do not insult me.

[SigmaEXE003]

Oh, I'm sorry I offended you.

EBWODP: Hey, Magua*, Kondi never even posted.

[Magua]

Great.

UNVOTE: Seraphim
VOTE: SigmaEXE003

Who's the mafia?