Open 322: C9++ [Game Over - Scum Win]

Kcdaspot · Post Post #125 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:20 am

DCJ is town. confirmed.

Honest Abel · Post Post #126 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:30 am

I'm not trying to get anyone to tell their roles. I'm pressing the issue to see if previous discussion is valid to look at or not. And also because NS and DonJosh made moves based on it, which may affect, however slightly, my opinion of them.

So it appears to me that the two scummiest (and indeed, only two scummy) of Day 1 are projectmatt and DonJosh (and not just because I can read the vote count). projectmatt being the far scummier of the two. This is why:

#19: Comment on Kcdaspot sheeping NS's vote on him is awkward. Why even bother commenting on obvious random voting?
#52: Seems to be aching to defend himself; "DonJosh is probably scum"? And if he turns out to be scum, are we not supposed to immediately realize that you're scum, too? This comment not only makes me suspicious of projectmatt, but DonJosh, too. The level of certainty after having heard barely anything from DonJosh is alerting.
#60: "No" posted only for the sake of being able to say he denied it. Not a good excuse, but careful not to be too defensive.
#77: "Oh wow, I just convinced myself that DonJosh is scum" attitude is awkward; "fuck you" contradicts earlier carefulness about not being overly defensive.
#95: Only confident in DonJosh read (see note on #52); confirmed confidence is again a big warning sign of dumb mafia play.

The only thing I have on DonJosh other than projectmatt's sloppy implication is #55, where he makes the obvious comment on the Jason vote to point out how dumb it is and makes a reactive vote on projectmatt. Both actions seemed scummy to me.

I also have some town reads, but don't see the value in sharing.

I'm not interested in placing either projectmatt or DonJosh at L-1 until after we hear more from don_johnson, SGRaaize, and bv310.

DonJosh · Post Post #127 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:32 am

don_johnson's wagon vote is still RVS. I definitely want to here more from him.

don_johnson · Post Post #128 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:03 am

what kinds of things would you like to hear?

DonJosh · Post Post #129 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:04 am

don_johnson wrote:what kinds of things would you like to hear?

Opinions. Reads. Contributions. Anything, really. Just moarposting.

don_johnson · Post Post #130 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:07 am

anything in particular? I dont do much more than observe and vote my gut. ill read up, but if you dont have questions, dont expect any wall posting from me at this stage of the game.

bv310 · Post Post #131 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:19 am

It appears that I forgot about this game immediately after opening the PM saying it was open. -_-

Honest Abel · Post Post #132 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:20 am

@johnson: I would simply appreciate it if you at least pretended to act like a townie and started discussing/asserting things and asking questions. if you are town, being as passive as lurking scum doesn't really help.

You too, bv, try to catch up.

Amor · Post Post #133 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:45 am

Unvote
Vote Honest Abel

Obsession with the set-up, calling out lurkers one RL day after the game has started, and conveniently agreeing with both of the leading wagons. What's not to like?

Honest Abel · Post Post #134 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:58 am

I only heard about this setup two days ago, and it seemed interesting to me. So I joined when I stumbled upon the replacement request.

It keeps evading me that the game only started yesterday (?), so sorry for asking for a prod and calling out lurkers. However, I think it's unwise to lynch before everyone has gotten a chance to contribute to the thread in some way. We do have four weeks per Day. I just read another C9++ game that was over in 9 pages, which is ridiculous, so maybe that's just how you guys play.

What's convenient about agreeing with wagons? Both players have exhibited scummy behavior, and are actually the only people I think have done so thus far in the thread. projectmatt much moreso than DonJosh, but still. I could have shown up late as I did and disagreed with both wagons, sure, but the events of the thread would lead anyone to vote on one wagon or the other. I would have joined the projectmatt wagon if not for the fact that there are some non-contributors hanging out.

Honest Abel · Post Post #135 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 11:05 am

I would also like to see a little more pressure on projectmatt and DonJosh, questioning them rather than voting on them for their past behavior. As it is, the wagons don't seem to be adding pressure on their own. I, however, have run out of time for today and must be finishing up my work to attend a poetry reading tonight. Until tomorrow, chaps.

Nobody Special · Post Post #136 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 11:22 am

projectmatt: If you had to lynch someone RIGHT NOW, who would it be?

projectmatt · Post Post #137 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 11:30 am

projectmatt: If you had to lynch someone RIGHT NOW, who would it be?

Don Josh.

Also, this is a terrible post because you are attempting to put pressure on me by asking who I would like to lynch right now, and if you have read any of my posts you know my strongest suspicions.

And I'm not going to bother to respond to Honest Abel's PBPA on me because it's terrible. The first page was completely a joke. I don't pussy around on my reads. If I really do think that someone is scum, I will point it out. At first I noticed quite a lot of scummy things from Don and then his reaction furthered my suspicions even more.

If you have any legitimate questions to ask me about the tells I've gathered or my current thought process, ask.

Darkcoffeejazz · Post Post #138 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 11:32 am

If I had any questions to ask, I'd ask them. But I'm drawing a blank trying to think of any.
I guess I just don't see anything as needing clarification, tbh.

projectmatt · Post Post #139 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 11:34 am

What do you think of me, Dark? Also, do you have any town reads at all right now?

Darkcoffeejazz · Post Post #140 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 11:39 am

Eh I think you're more a null read so far. At least for me.

As for uber awesome town reads... not really any as of this point. If my gut thinks someone is town, it's not speaking up about it, anyway.

I still think it's a bit early in the day for me to have an uber awesome anything, tbh.

Kcdaspot · Post Post #141 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:11 pm

bv310 wrote:It appears that I forgot about this game immediately after opening the PM saying it was open. -_-

...

possible second scum detected.

Kcdaspot · Post Post #142 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:12 pm

Yes this means that Projectmatt is null/town

Kcdaspot · Post Post #143 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:12 pm

oh wait... hang on...

SGRaaize · Post Post #144 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:33 pm

I'm just posting to avoid a possible prod, will read this thread eventually

Kcdaspot · Post Post #145 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:17 pm

SGRaaize wrote:I'm just posting to avoid a possible prod, will read this thread eventually

too many people being scummy

Kcdaspot · Post Post #146 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:19 pm

I agree to the points about Projectmatt thoo my gut says he's just not that scummy...

Donjosh is the lynch.

don_johnson · Post Post #147 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:27 pm

lurking =/= scummy. the relationship between the two phenomena is much more intricate. kcda: are you comfortable lynching at this point?

projectmatt: do you often find yourself getting lynched for your attitude? you seem to be defensive, but it reads to me more like a personality trait than an alignment indicator. can you repost the josh case(or give me a post number)?

josh: who on your wagon is scum and why? who off your wagon is scum and why?

kcda: why is dcj confirmed town?

Kcdaspot · Post Post #148 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:30 pm

question one: I'm game for a L-1 claim.

question two: same reason you are. why is that? :goodposting:

Nobody Special · Post Post #149 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:08 pm

don_johnson wrote:projectmatt: do you often find yourself getting lynched for your attitude? you seem to be defensive

He's 14. He's can't turn the defensive off yet. (So I wouldn't hold that against him, is what I'm saying.)