Mini 1207 - LIPD Mafia: Game Over!

[Vifam]

^ on the top ten worst votes ever list.

~LLD

I'm just trying to get the ball rolling, skimming through SaM's ISO, he isn't being very scummy, so that wagon has to be out of place.


The Diamond wagon needs to be looked into, also, but I have yet to look through Diamond's ISO.

[Science and Magic]

You're doing it by ISO instead of actually reading the thread in order?

[Vifam]

Anybody not voting SAM needs to read the first two pages and then read this quote:

He's the central figure of the starting wagon

and I'm trying to end the RVS?

which will make it extremely clear SAM is making stuff up and is scum.

p.s. this means you hindu because your sam town read is wtf

Looking at the joindate and the fact that this is the first game he is participating in, how does that indicate scum vs noob town?


I actually feel that my vote isn't out of place here.

You're doing it by ISO instead of actually reading the thread in order?

Not really, you misunderstood it, I'm reading the thread in order, and looking at the ISO's of the two largest wagons. I.E Diamond and SaM.

[AurorusVox]

Hoppster replaces nbtnbt5!
Welcome and thank you to you too!

That's all the replacements done for now~

[Vifam]

Okay, after going through most of the thread, I'm pretty sure AG is scum.


But right now, Diamond is also scum.


UNVOTE:

UNVOTE: Diamond


L-1

[Hoppster]

Town

Mastin
Hinduragi
Slaxx
SGR

Riddick

Wickedestjr
charter
SaM

Scum

(Assuming 3 scum, 3/4 of:)
Diamond
AGM

gorilla

Vifam


Scum-reads are ordered (strongest at the bottom), town-reads are ordered (strongest at the top), however I've grouped people who are all roughly around the same level.

Scum-reads were essentially PoE. I have at the very least leaning-town reads on everybody I've grouped under town.

I want a cliffnote version of this game.

Why did I say this? No one ever gives one to me. I guess it's a habit.

VOTE: AlMasterGM

Man Hindu is so good at this game. what a pro tell.

vote: slaxx

AG opens up with blatant sarcasm (Okay I could be wrong about this but it looked pretty sarcastic from my end), along with his vote that makes me think that he knows Slaxx isn't scum.


I only read the first page, that's all I got. But there doesn't seem to be any pressure on AG, so I'm just gonna throw that out there. More later when I actually get to reading this thread.

This is pretty obvious distancing.

Vifam has apparently "only read the first page" - what's the point in making a vote there before you've read the whole thread?

also AGM wasn't drawing much heat and that post read fairly sarcastic, tbh that read townish to me

diamond suggesting SK theory on LLD is bad but I'm not actually sure the case against him is strong enough for me to vote him (LOL OMFG SCUMZ AFRAID 2 BUS)

Bold + underlined paraphrased: I'm scum, but even if I wasn't I would still think that post was towny.

Bold + italics paraphrased: LOL OMFG I'M SCUMZ AFRAID 2 GET OFF MY FENCE

Okay, after going through most of the thread, I'm pretty sure AG is scum.


But right now, Diamond is also scum.


UNVOTE:

UNVOTE: Diamond


L-1

This is a pretty awful vote.

Diamond is only in my scum-list through PoE, and looking through his ISO I don't see anything scummy enough to warrant "hurr durr I knew AGM was scum from pg1 but I'll put Diamond to L-1 because he's scum <no reasons provided> P.S. btw, I actually haven't read the whole game yet".


UNVOTE:
VOTE: Vifam

I'd be satisfied with a Diamond lynch but I would much prefer a Vifam lynch.

[Slaxx]

Vifam. Were you the tracker in the game Mitch and I played as mafia together in on SH?

[Vifam]

This is pretty obvious distancing.

Vifam has apparently "only read the first page" - what's the point in making a vote there before you've read the whole thread?

Like, I said before, there was no pressure on AG and I wanted to get the ball rolling in someone elses direction. The focus on SaM and Diamond is kind of unbelievable.

This is a pretty awful vote.

Diamond is only in my scum-list through PoE, and looking through his ISO I don't see anything scummy enough to warrant "hurr durr I knew AGM was scum from pg1 but I'll put Diamond to L-1 because he's scum <no reasons provided> P.S. btw, I actually haven't read the whole game yet".

One of my other scumreads are at L-1, why would I stay on AG when I think scum is closer to being lynched?

[Vifam]

Vifam. Were you the tracker in the game Mitch and I played as mafia together in on SH?

Yes.


I failed hard that tim

[Vifam]

time*

[mastin2]

^ on the top ten worst votes ever list.

Actually, no. The reasoning might not be perfect, but it's not that far off from a suspicion in my mind. Additionally, it clearly displays a pro-town mindset. It might not be the strongest vote ever, but it does clearly indicate Vifam's slot is town.

Town
Mastin
Hinduragi
Slaxx
SGR

Riddick

Wickedestjr
charter
SaM


Scum (Assuming 3 scum, 3/4 of:)
Diamond
AGM

gorilla

Hey, that looks like my list! We should be friends!

...Or, well, the list would be if you did the list the same way I did, strongest at the top.

We should still be friends, though; your Gorilla reasoning (as well as to an extent, AGM) was awesome.

[Hoppster]

One of my other scumreads are at L-1, why would I stay on AG when I think scum is closer to being lynched?

Because you showed reasoning for your AGM scumread but not for your Diamond scumread (so for all I know you have no reasoning)?

your Gorilla reasoning (as well as to an extent, AGM) was awesome.

AGM? You mean Vifam?

^ on the top ten worst votes ever list.

Actually, no. The reasoning might not be perfect, but it's not that far off from a suspicion in my mind. Additionally, it clearly displays a pro-town mindset. It might not be the strongest vote ever, but it does clearly indicate Vifam's slot is town. )

Why is Vifam's first post indicative of a pro-town mindset? He voted when he hadn't read the thread, and:

VOTE: AlMasterGM

I actually feel that my vote isn't out of place here.

^^ suggests that when he

first

made his AGM vote he:

1. Wasn't even convinced of the vote himself
   
2. Thought it likely he'd be changing his vote very shortly

Neither of which suggest a pro-town mindset, but do suggest a scum mindset looking to distance.

[Vifam]

^^ suggests that when he first made his AGM vote he:

Wasn't even convinced of the vote himself
Thought it likely he'd be changing his vote very shortly

Neither of which suggest a pro-town mindset, but do suggest a scum mindset looking to distance.

You're forgetting that I was reading the thread for the first time, and the goal of the initial vote was to get some discussion towards another player. You're implying that at the time I was 100% sure AG was scum.

Because you showed reasoning for your AGM scumread but not for your Diamond scumread (so for all I know you have no reasoning)?

Yeah, that's kind of an assumption but w/e:

My scumread on Diamond is that I don't think he is playing indicatively to the meta he has to believe:

Hinduragi, I tend to question a lot regardless of alignment. Look to my completed games as proof. The whole "safe vote" and being "nervous about laying a vote down" stems from my playstyle more than anything else. Again if you examine some of my previous games you'll see that I tend to be cautious and very deliberate with votes.

See, this kind of mixes up with his votes on LLD, since as you can see they were not "careful" at all.

... an even night Serial Killer. Right.

Unvote; Vote: Diamondolium

Even night you say...

OH, AND I'M A EVEN KNIGT VIG

-_- I read this claim as "I'm even a night vig." Hmm well that changes things...

Unvote

I'm gonna go reread.

He just contradicted his own meta because he was obviously nervous.

[mastin2]

AGM? You mean Vifam?

Yes and no.

If Vifam is scum (I currently do not believe that to be the case), then it's a great argument for AGM being scum as well.

The way I see it, Vifam's either town who jumped into the game in a way I saw as pro-town (my current belief), or scum who weakly bussed and purposefully faked an entrance that'd look pro-town. (Fully possible, but not in my mind very probable. I think that it's an issue for a later day, after we've had a flip or two--Diamond's my first choice.)

Also, since Diamond is at L-1, I'd fully support a claim-then-hammer strategy. (Like I said, a Diamond flip reveals more to me than pretty much any other flip will.)

[Hoppster]

My scumread on Diamond is that I don't think he is playing indicatively to the meta he has to believe:

Hinduragi, I tend to question a lot regardless of alignment. Look to my completed games as proof. The whole "safe vote" and being "nervous about laying a vote down" stems from my playstyle more than anything else. Again if you examine some of my previous games you'll see that I tend to be cautious and very deliberate with votes.

See, this kind of mixes up with his votes on LLD, since as you can see they were not "careful" at all.

... an even night Serial Killer. Right.

Unvote; Vote: Diamondolium

Even night you say...

OH, AND I'M A EVEN KNIGT VIG

-_- I read this claim as "I'm even a night vig." Hmm well that changes things...

Unvote

I'm gonna go reread.

He just contradicted his own meta because he was obviously nervous.

Okay, I see what you mean, but...

His self-meta was that he was careful with

making

a vote. He voted before the claim, not because of it. It was then a (plausible) mistake he made in reading the claim that meant he kept the vote.

Is that your only basis? Are you still happy with your conclusions from it?

[SGRaaize]

Back from my Dodge-Prod-Fest, some opinions, some of them changed, some of them stayed the same, not gonna give my full reads, because I change opinions way too fast:

1) Science is Obvious Scum, I can't be the only one thinking this, I seriously can't.

2) Charter is Town

I'm surprised you didn't call me scum when you thought I'd quickhammered you.

That's what I would do if I was town and someone quickhammered me.

3) Wickedjestr is Town, sound logic, sound reasoning, sound FoSes. Town Intentions.

4) AlmasterGM seems to be going for the whole "Hey, guys, I'm way too trolly and easy-going to be Scum" deal, but I like how he voted Science and Magic and was waiting for a hammer on him. So, Town read on him unless we lynch Science and he flips Town.

5) If AlmasterGM is Scum, Gorilla is his partner. Seriously, look at this shit:

also AGM wasn't drawing much heat and that post read fairly sarcastic, tbh that read townish to me

6) I think this interaction is very interesting

Cool, I don't remember Slacx being this much of a retard.

Opening game wagon is opening game.

SaM wagon was joined for the post I quoted in my vote.

Lol okay.

So you call me a retard which implies you think I am wrong town. But you called me scum in your previous post. And my point still stands: you just quoted a post and sheeped the wagon, I hardly see any difference between that and what people on your wagon are doing (the people you think are scum).

Retard implies wrong town? No.

It implies you're fuckig stupid.

Whether you're scum pushing stupid shit, or town pushing stupid shit, is not implied by retard.

Nice attempt at misrepping me though.

I really like this interaction, because it gives me serious vibes its a Town/Town confrontation.

sgr's iso 17 looks p genuine, i mean i think he's clearing people/suspecting them for pretty bad reasons in some cases but it looks genuine at least.

I don't "clear" people, my reads change a fuckload of times, they tend to get more consistent late-game, though.

[SGRaaize]

Also, good to have you here, Vifam, a shame you replaced NBT, though

[SGRaaize]

Also, I'm fine with a Lynch on Diamond, but a claim would be coolio

[Slaxx]

Yep.

unvote

to prevent shenanigans, but consider him at L-1 still.

Diamond, time to claim

[Vifam]

Okay, I see what you mean, but...

His self-meta was that he was careful with making a vote. He voted before the claim, not because of it. It was then a (plausible) mistake he made in reading the claim that meant he kept the vote.

Is that your only basis? Are you still happy with your conclusions from it?

What? Are you trying to say he didn't see the claim? I don't get it.

Also, good to have you here, Vifam, a shame you replaced NBT, though

I replaced Pine.


And you're so, so welcome.

[AurorusVox]

Day 1 | Votecount 9: The "Enter Hoppster" Votecount

AlmasterGM

(0)

charter

(0)

Diamondilium

(4) - mastin2, Hinduragi, Science and Magic, Riddick

[L-3]

gorilla

(0)

Hinduragi

(0)

Hoppster

(0)

mastin2

(0)

Riddick

(0)

Science and Magic

(4) - Wickedestjr, AlmasterGM, SGRaaize, charter

[L-3]

SGRaaize

(0)

Slaxx

(0)

Vifam

(1) - Hoppster

[L-6]

Wickedestjr

(0)

Not Voting (4) - Vifam, gorilla, Diamondilium, Slaxx

With 13 alive, it is 7 to lynch

Deadline is

9:00am GMT, 2nd August 2011

. That's in (expired on 2011-08-02 04:00:00).

• Science and Magic is V/LA until 25th July
  
  
• Slaxx is V/LA from Monday until ?

UNVOTE:

UNVOTE: Diamond


L-1

I can't accept this vote as it says "unvote".

[AurorusVox]

Please note: I've edited the above vote count

[Vifam]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Diamonddillium

[Diamondilium]

I'm the doctor. Part of the reason I was so suspicious of LLD's claim is that a vig seemed to make us way too powerful as there's me and probably a cop. Just in case there is an actual quickhammer, here's my scumlist:

1)Wicked
2) Mastin
3) Gorilla

[Diamondilium]

EWOP:
I'll provide a case against the latter 2 as soon as I have time (probably during work tomorrow )