Mini 1190: Game over

[xvart]

Actually, miller doesn't definitively suggest a cop in the setup. Similar to having a godfather with no cop. A red herring.

[Twistedspoon]

Actually, miller doesn't definitively suggest a cop in the setup. Similar to having a godfather with no cop. A red herring.

I'm not that mean :p

[Sundy]

Tspoon I want to play another game where we're on the same team. Any faction will do

[Nikanor]

I think that red herrings qualify as non-normal, though I'd have to check to be sure.

Millers are a lot more powerful than mods are giving them credit for, though. Possibly as powerful as a one-shot cop, although mods are still using them as negative town roles.

[Twistedspoon]

Tspoon I want to play another game where we're on the same team. Any faction will do

me and you? That'd be great, I agree

[Twistedspoon]

I think that red herrings qualify as non-normal, though I'd have to check to be sure.

Millers are a lot more powerful than mods are giving them credit for, though. Possibly as powerful as a one-shot cop, although mods are still using them as negative town roles.

yeah, If they play miller as well as empking did it can be very-pro town

near-noone suspected empking and his claim pulled the game out of RVS immediately

[Thomith]

I...go away for afew days... and i'm dead... whut?

[SleepyKrew]

Cop result...

[Twistedspoon]

you did good thomith, as I believe hoppster has said, but you were let down by being dragged into the mad world where mason is a good fakeclaim :p

all that being said though, I think Panzer did very well on D1 and he has no reason to be upset. The town was very good and if the gambit had worked It'd have scummy nominated for sure.

you should've roleblocked hoppster again xp

and with that

V/LA

see you guys in 14 days

[Thomith]

i should have gone with my gut and got panzer lynched, but i really didnt think i could win with just me alive.

[Hoppster]

TBH, it would have looked dodgy with Panzer claiming to be masons with you and then him flipping Unrecruitable Traitor.

Not completely sure if that by itself would have been lynch-worthy, but it definitely would have made me think.

[SleepyKrew]

How is a claimed Mason flipping Scum not insta-lynch?

[Hoppster]

No, I mean had Thomith said "LOL PANZER IS LYING SCUM". >>

[Twistedspoon]

Town 7/10 (shame the 2 best players had to attack each other the whole time : )
Scum ?/10 (I don't want to judge them on one acttion, but it really was the defining moment of the game. Each did well in some aspects though. More daytalk scheming would have been good)
Mod: 10/10 (what can I say? )

[xvart]

Also, sorry about the shit I was pulling yesterday xvart. I want to pretend that was a clever gambit to make sure scum left me alive.

Actually, by that time I had picked up that something was going on; it just seemed out of place compared to us going toe to toe D1 which is why I tried to throw it back in your face, in case you were a power role. I didn't ever expect you to get lynched but found that stuff that might cast a little bit of suspicion on you and keep you alive.

And again, sorry about D1. No hard feelings I hope. Coming into the game I had just busted two scum in another game in subsequent days so my ego was a little inflated with my scumhunting abilities compared to my usual mediocre play, so that had something to do with it. Note to everyone if you really want me to get on your case just go straight for the ad homs, you aren't reading stuff, etc.; although to be fair, I guess I really wasn't reading, but I found it hard to see the motivation behind the posted ISO... Anyways, once someone (I think Hoppster) explicitly pointed out how I wasn't reading it clicked with me because just saying "you aren't reading" doesn't do much for me, especially if I think you are scum, because I read it the exact same way. Anyways, no harm no foul. The good thing about going full court press on someone is it puts everyone else in a tough spot in deciding how to come down on it.

This game reminded me a lot of the game I linked earlier where I steam rolled the town by doing the same thing and fighting tooth and nail for a townie lynch. Although we still won it was really interesting because I was a doctor and a town jailkeeper had already flipped; scum kept me around because they thought I was going to be an easy mislynch and town wouldn't lynch me because they thought my behavior was so pro town despite there being two protective roles. When the part where I obviously didn't read what Hoppster was saying was pointed out at me I took a hard step back and thought about that game and decided I needed to be more careful and not torpedo the town again.

Anyways, I apologize to anyone (and everyone) who was turned off by me, and this game isn't my typical playstyle.

[SleepyKrew]

I greatly enjoyed xvart v. Hoppster, but that's because I was Scum

[Captain Corporal]

Hey,
good job Town
Sorry I wasn't around to see it through, although if I stayed I probably would have been lynched. GG

[PJ.]

I was stuck into the mason claim because I had breadcrumbed it for later in the game and I was trying to play in a way where Thomith wouldn't vote me, than he was lured in by Xvart's very silly case. I should have just played head up and let monk/CC get lynched.

Also, if Thomith said I was lying scum, the game would have been over quicker. I really screwed up shooting that mason claim so early, but I would like to point out that him making such a bad kill night 2 didn't help. He should have been aiming for the cop.

[xvart]

I was stuck into the mason claim because I had breadcrumbed it for later in the game and I was trying to play in a way where Thomith wouldn't vote me, than he was lured in by Xvart's very silly case. I should have just played head up and let monk/CC get lynched.

I think traitor is a pretty difficult role to play, and I think your breadcrumb was a pretty smart way to play it such that scum would want to kill you (I'm guessing if the scum tried to kill you you got recruited instead?) and then you could really flesh it out after having the opportunity to talk to your partners. But when it was joined with the miller stuff it undermined the entire thing since you would have to eventually claim mason with the person that just "counterclaimed" you or hope that Thomith stays out of the limelight.

[Empking]

I was stuck into the mason claim because I had breadcrumbed it for later in the game and I was trying to play in a way where Thomith wouldn't vote me, than he was lured in by Xvart's very silly case. I should have just played head up and let monk/CC get lynched.

I think traitor is a pretty difficult role to play, and I think your breadcrumb was a pretty smart way to play it such that scum would want to kill you (I'm guessing if the scum tried to kill you you got recruited instead?)

No.

[xvart]

I was stuck into the mason claim because I had breadcrumbed it for later in the game and I was trying to play in a way where Thomith wouldn't vote me, than he was lured in by Xvart's very silly case. I should have just played head up and let monk/CC get lynched.

I think traitor is a pretty difficult role to play, and I think your breadcrumb was a pretty smart way to play it such that scum would want to kill you (I'm guessing if the scum tried to kill you you got recruited instead?)

No.

Cool.

[SleepyKrew]

That's the thing. This Traitor knew us, we didn't know him, he would die if we targeted him.

[PJ.]

I was stuck into the mason claim because I had breadcrumbed it for later in the game and I was trying to play in a way where Thomith wouldn't vote me, than he was lured in by Xvart's very silly case. I should have just played head up and let monk/CC get lynched.

I think traitor is a pretty difficult role to play, and I think your breadcrumb was a pretty smart way to play it such that scum would want to kill you (I'm guessing if the scum tried to kill you you got recruited instead?) and then you could really flesh it out after having the opportunity to talk to your partners. But when it was joined with the miller stuff it undermined the entire thing since you would have to eventually claim mason with the person that just "counterclaimed" you or

hope that Thomith stays out of the limelight

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This. It was going according to plan until he voted me, than I just didn't know what to do, so I threw a hail mary.

[Thomith]

I was stuck into the mason claim because I had breadcrumbed it for later in the game and I was trying to play in a way where Thomith wouldn't vote me, than he was lured in by Xvart's very silly case. I should have just played head up and let monk/CC get lynched.

I think traitor is a pretty difficult role to play, and I think your breadcrumb was a pretty smart way to play it such that scum would want to kill you (I'm guessing if the scum tried to kill you you got recruited instead?) and then you could really flesh it out after having the opportunity to talk to your partners. But when it was joined with the miller stuff it undermined the entire thing since you would have to eventually claim mason with the person that just "counterclaimed" you or

hope that Thomith stays out of the limelight

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This. It was going according to plan until he voted me, than I just didn't know what to do, so I threw a hail mary.

sorry about that, i had a PR read on you and wanted you gone. Shame you ended up being traitor :/

[xvart]

That's the thing. This Traitor knew us, we didn't know him, he would die if we targeted him.

Oh. I thought the traitor was someone if you tried to kill you recruited him into your QT.

This. It was going according to plan until he voted me, than I just didn't know what to do, so I threw a hail mary.

However, I think it was problematic in the beginning when your breadcrumb was directly tied into a suspicion of one of the mafia partners.