Newbie 1116 -- Game Over

bigAl · Post Post #1050 (ISO) » Sun Jul 24, 2011 4:03 pm

Well, if you're around cy - same question as I asked Fonz: when I come up town after you guys lynch me, who do you think the scum pair is? (of course, preferably you don't lynch me.)

(I'd think that would be a useful question for everyone.)

Nobody Special · Post Post #1051 (ISO) » Sun Jul 24, 2011 4:19 pm

Votecount 2.10

(unchanged)

L-1

bigAl - 3 - The Fonz, Zachrulez, cymru96
Grimmjow - 1 - bigAl
VisceraEyes - 1 - Workdawg
Workdawg - 1 - VisceraEyes

Not Voting: Grimmjow

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline: July 29 (expired on 2011-07-29 14:00:00)

VisceraEyes · Post Post #1052 (ISO) » Sun Jul 24, 2011 5:08 pm

bigAl wrote:Well, if you're around cy - same question as I asked Fonz: when I come up town after you guys lynch me, who do you think the scum pair is? (of course, preferably you don't lynch me.)

(I'd think that would be a useful question for everyone.)

In what way would that question be useful for everyone? Most everyone has answered that question, besides Zach that is.

cymru96 · Post Post #1053 (ISO) » Sun Jul 24, 2011 10:57 pm

I think it's Al and Wordawg, but, if I'm incorrect I would then perhaps suggest the Fonz. But, that's only if my word and Al suspicions are wrong.

Zachrulez · Post Post #1054 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:30 am

VisceraEyes wrote:
bigAl wrote:Well, if you're around cy - same question as I asked Fonz: when I come up town after you guys lynch me, who do you think the scum pair is? (of course, preferably you don't lynch me.)

(I'd think that would be a useful question for everyone.)

In what way would that question be useful for everyone? Most everyone has answered that question, besides Zach that is.

Mostly prefer not to indicate to the scum how they should approach the next night phase. (Which is what you do by giving away hypothetical information about how you would react to a flip that scum have knowledge about.)

Right now my thinking is VE/BigAl with an outside chance of Al/Workdawg. If Al were to flip town, and that's a big if, obviously my thinking would change. I'm not in the business of trying to predict the future of in indicating a future thought process where a lot could happen between now and day 3, and a lot of what will happen is stuff I'm not yet certain of.

Grimmjow · Post Post #1055 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:27 am

Ok, I've gotten through about 2/3 of Al's ISO. I can see a scumteam of VE and Al showing up, slightly in the way he responds to VE's posts. Anyone else care to go through his and look at this and tell me if they're seeing it at well.

Grimmjow · Post Post #1056 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:21 am

After finishing his ISO, I'm not too sure about that, but I can still see it VE's is next to see if I can confirm/deny that thought, though.

The Fonz · Post Post #1057 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:12 am

bigAl wrote:
Fonz wrote:Meh, I'm always leery of 'I didn't really mean it' defences. You were voting him most of the day - that means he was the guy you most wanted to lynch. If someone else was scummier, then vote them. To spend most of a day voting someone and then say you didn't really suspect them just makes my scumdar scream.
I voted him to prod some activity, and then failed to find any strong suspects so I never bothered to change my vote. Anyone can look back and see that it wasn't like I was harping on his lynch the whole time my vote was there.

No, but I attach much more significance to votes than words. To say that you didn't particularly suspect the guy you were voting most of the day just says to me that you were doing even less scumhunting than I thought.

Lots of excuses but no scumhunting says scum to me.

Workdawg · Post Post #1058 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:13 am

Hmm, I disagree with bigAl's case against Grimm. His points are pretty weak and it really feels like he's stretching for something.

Zach brings up an excellent point as well, and I think bigAl would know this... which makes me suspect him a little bit more.

bigAl · Post Post #1059 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:04 pm

Okay. So thinking out loud for a sec here. I'm gonna flip town in a couple days here, lacking any major changes in the town's attitude. I think pretty much everyone has cast suspicions at me at this point - but two of you six know that I'm going to flip town. VE is off on workdawg at the moment, Zach and Grimm think that a VE/Al is possible (which obviously won't be true when I flip town). cy says WD/Al. Fonz says Al/WD and Al-Grimmjow. I'm looking at who might be protecting their partner by suggesting a scum team that couldn't possibly exist. Workdawg is the strongest thread here, with VE a minor second. Cy is the first (and only) to suggest Fonz lately, I think. Hm, what a mess.

I should point out here, that, if I were scum, my partner would have had to turn on me by now. I would almost agree with Zach/Grimm's theory that VE could be my partner, if it weren't for the fact that the base assumption that I'm scum is wrong.

VisceraEyes · Post Post #1060 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:01 pm

This thread is dying. It's suffocating slowly and it's time to move on. We got bigAl's claim. Time to put it to the test.

UNVOTE: Workdawg

Because no one believes me and because a vote on him is a wasted vote right now. I think that bigAl is town, and I think that Workdawg and Zachrulez are scum. That being said...

VOTE: bigAl

Forgive me.

Nobody Special · Post Post #1061 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:31 pm

Votecount 2.11

bigAl - 4 - The Fonz, Zachrulez, cymru96, VisceraEyes

Grimmjow - 1 - bigAl
VisceraEyes - 1 - Workdawg

Not Voting: Grimmjow

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline: July 29 (expired on 2011-07-29 14:00:00)

Nobody Special · Post Post #1062 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:39 pm

Flavorless flavor is flavorless. (Forgive me.)

bigAl, Vanilla Townie,

has been lynched.

Night Two begins now. Night actions, if any, are due before: (expired on 2011-07-29 03:39:09)

Nobody Special · Post Post #1063 (ISO) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:18 am

It was a peaceful summer night.

Very peaceful, in fact.....

Day Three has begins now.

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline: August 19 (expired on 2011-08-19 14:00:00)

Zachrulez · Post Post #1064 (ISO) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:24 am

VisceraEyes wrote:This thread is dying. It's suffocating slowly and it's time to move on. We got bigAl's claim. Time to put it to the test.

UNVOTE: Workdawg

Because no one believes me and because a vote on him is a wasted vote right now. I think that bigAl is town, and I think that Workdawg and Zachrulez are scum. That being said...

VOTE: bigAl

Forgive me.

REALLY?

Workdawg · Post Post #1065 (ISO) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:32 am

Zachrulez wrote: REALLY?

This... I don't normally FOS... but

FOS: VE

cymru96 · Post Post #1066 (ISO) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:37 am

so there's a 1/3 chance of lynching scum today. Add suspicions and stuff, make it a 1/2 chance.

I know it looks bad for me, putting BigAl at L-1 but based on the odds I already talked about it would seem that either Me(!), Fonz, Zach or Viscera are scummy.

VE's vote was odd because I think that Word still had pressure on him so that vote and reasoning + the hammer vote = suspicious.

VisceraEyes · Post Post #1067 (ISO) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:47 am

Thank god.

VOTE: Fonz

Luckily, we have a

pro Jailer

. This was over until no NK. I chose Fonz because he had no noteworthy suspicion on him, and because he was eerily silent during bigAl's final posts. Because I jailed Fonz and no kill occurred, I suspect that his partner and he decided to have Fonz submit the kill because he's free of suspicion. This further leads me to believe that his partner is someone who IS under suspicion, making my suspect list Fonz and one of Workdawg, cymru, Zachrulez and myself (the wagon on bigAl), in order of my own suspicion.

Let's do this guys. Saddle up.

The Fonz · Post Post #1068 (ISO) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:49 am

VE, the problem with 'Because he's free of suspicion' is that that is EXACTLY the kind of player scum are most likely to shoot AT.

VisceraEyes · Post Post #1069 (ISO) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:52 am

I wasn't trying to protect you sir.

The Fonz · Post Post #1070 (ISO) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 11:03 am

Irrelevant. You did protect me.

Jailkeeper is usually thought of as a protective rather than roleblocking role. Town JKs will normally protect the player most likely to be nightkilled. That's me or Zach. You have to assume I would be aware of that if I were scum.

Although, for the record, obviously if we mislynch today, you SHOULD use it as a blocking role.

Workdawg · Post Post #1071 (ISO) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 11:06 am

WTF just happened here? VE claims jailkeeper and claims that he jailed The Fonz preventing an NK because The Fonz was mafia's choice for who was going to perform the NK? Too bad that IF that's the case and you are the jailkeeper, The Fonz could also be innocent and you just protected him from being the target of the NK (as The Fonz points out). Then there's also the scenario where you are scum and you tried to NK anyone and the jailkeeper protected them. But we are jumping into WIFOM territory here.

The only thing we KNOW to be true is that someone is the jailkeeper.

@Nobody Special: Can you confirm that the jailkeeper can even prevent an NK if they target a scum player who is performing the kill? This format is new and I just want to make sure that's even legit.

That said...

@VE

, why would you E V E R hammer someone whom you felt was innocent with more than 10 seconds left until the deadline? You hammered with like 3 days left and you said you didn't think he was scum. I demand a reason for this.
Also, why would you role claim at this point?

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PEdit:

WOAH now... The Fonz get's on the train that this happened, attempting to confirm VE's role as jailkeeper? I smell scumteam all up in here.

Shit just got real.

The Fonz · Post Post #1072 (ISO) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 11:07 am

And I'm sorry... Al makes his last post at 5am my time, you hammer him at 7am, and it's at all surprising I'm not around to comment on it?

The Fonz · Post Post #1073 (ISO) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 11:11 am

Workdawg wrote:

WOAH now... The Fonz get's on the train that this happened, attempting to confirm VE's role as jailkeeper? I smell scumteam all up in here.

Shit just got real.

Idiot town or flailing scumbag? Hmmmmm.

VE is confirmed unless someone counterclaims.

VisceraEyes · Post Post #1074 (ISO) » Fri Jul 29, 2011 11:15 am

Oh shit...I didn't even think of it that way. X( Then we really don't have any information then...I guess my suspicion stands on Workdawg / Zachrulez in that case.

Piss, I was sure when I saw no NK...I got all excited. Like, claim-level excited. I totally forgot that it protected the target too (I've never played with a JK before...most of the games I've played have had just doc/cop/vig style roles.)

Fuck guys, where do we go from here, wait for CC from those still missing?