Mini 1211: Murder in Sicily [Over]

[Noramp]

/confirm

[Noramp]

If he was really a dayvig he wouldn't jokingly use it. That would just be stupid.

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I think there's nothing stopping us from talking just mod wont monitor and tally votes until D1 begins which is when he says it does. So any votes done pregame would have to be redone at the beginning of game. Anyone feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken.

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I'm a little weary of this Whiskers wagon and the speed of which it is gaining momentum. Let us not forget we have all of D1 to decide not just pregame.

bobsnox, why didn't you post anything while the pregame daykill shenanigans were going on?

Do you feel that he has to post in a period where it is not required to post? (outside of confirming)

Also, now we have more than three players in the game.

Does this change the fact that in pregame you ultimately said Friend was obvious scum?

@Monk You vote Panacea for not voting what about everyone else who isnt voting? i count three people before this post and one after (me)

[Noramp]

Does that vote count Whiskers?

[Noramp]

No i was just curious if the pregame vote counted. however, beyond the fact that there are more people playing you still felt Friend was suspicious enough to vote (in pregame) so why now that their are more people has your suspicion of him dropped off?

[Noramp]

there were three people posting not three people in the game. there's no logical solution for thinking one of the three of you had to have been scum. your logic is assuming that you were playing two separate games.

Why is he your top suspect if he is no scummier than the rest?

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well considering the only real conversation has been between me and whiskers it would be hard to pick anyone other than Whiskers but since we are essentially in the stage just after RVS it is a little unfair to ask for scumpicks.

Monk what have you done to scumhunt other than to inform us that talking about it isnt doing it?

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VOTE: monk

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monk you have done nothing but vote people so far.

your first vote was because panacea didnt vote someone while others weren't voting and your second was because whiskers wasn't scumhunting which you also weren't doing. Your vote on whiskers just seems very opportunistic.

[Noramp]

Scumhunter may I ask why you feel monk is leaning town?

[Noramp]

@Scumhunter Are you saying you think his votes have been solely to gauge reactions? Do you think that is necessary when his vote was placed on the largest wagon and Whiskers had already reacted quite a bit?

And this is my beef with monk his vote of Whiskers rubbed me the wrong way. His reason was beyond weak and like I said felt opportunity driven. scum points in my book. He's done next to no scum hunting himself and then goes ahead and votes Whiskers for it. scum points. It's still early and with little activity it is hard to get a real good read on anyone but I think monk stays at the top of my list for now with bob in second.

[Noramp]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Bob

[Noramp]

Sorry for the long delay Tovarish and the poor answer but honestly it's gut especially with Bob's last post where he explains why he's voting Music rather than Whiskers or myself. His explanation is ultimately because Music is scummy which isn't wrong but isn't good enough.

[Noramp]

Hey sorry guys weekend got busy on me in a heartbeat. I'm gunna read over what I missed.

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UNVOTE:
For the record I trust Bob for now. To fake claim D1 at L-2 is beyond risky. That of course doesn't mean scum wouldn't necessarily try it but I don't think that's what's happening here.

VOTE: Music

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I would say without the wagon because that would look really weird and from a scum's standpoint would bring a huge amount of attention on your shoulders which is usually not what they're after. I understand why townBob claimed at L-2 even not at L-1 it was obvious that he was the main choice for D1. We could all see the writing on the wall and so he claimed but scumBob would wait til the last second so he wouldn't have to risk playing the fake claim gambit. That's at least how I see it.

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Monk do you not agree with the Music wagon?

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monk the music case hasn't really gained much in the way of content since before Music went mia and yet he never really defended himself for his lack of scum hunting. He just kept alluding to he would vote when he received some sort of information but never told us how or when he would get it. Who other than Friend would you like to see lynched today if not Music?

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Whiskers even if you think Bob is lying do you think it is beneficial for town to take that chance?
Scumhunter/Panacea who are you looking at right now? I'm assuming your LTP vote is pure pressure (correct me if I'm wrong)
Friend do you feel Music has had a chance to defend himself? Do you believe Bob's claim and if so has anyone else jumped out at you as suspicious?
Maruchan any particular reason why you want the day to end?
Bob who is your top suspect other than Music right now?

[Noramp]

Maruchan is perhaps being anti town and annoying but I'm not sure that he's scum. He's coming off as frustrated new town to me. The whole fight seemed to be between town.
UNVOTE: I'll take Music off of L-1 seeing as it isn't really helping anything as we wait for a replacement.

However, monk's last post comes off as feigning frustration which only scum would have to do.

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A Town-aligned player wouldn't lurk, wouldn't leave,

You can't possibly agree with this

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Whiskers why did you defend Maruchan so hard? Why do you think he is town to the extent of going into a frenzy to defend him?

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I don't know what to do about substrike, but hes the other player to vote for Maruchan.

Here it seems that Substrike finds himself on the side of scummy simply because he voted for Maruchan?

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My bad you're right Whiskers Substrike did bring it up unfortunately you didn't really say much about it when he did. Can you just clarify what you meant in that quote if that wasn't the reason you felt he was scummy and I suppose more to the point...

That's not why I find him scummy, but it something I chose to point out

Why did you feel the need to point it out?

[Noramp]

Substrike himself answered this question in the immediately preceeding post.

So you were attempting a chainsaw defense?

[Noramp]

ok whiskers you are starting to make me rage. You tell me to read the thread which i had done and now ive redone. So I will start over.

I originally asked you why you defended Maruchan. You asked for a specific point I brought up a point. You said it had been discussed already. I really beg to differ. You just accepted whatever Substrike said without acknowledging what he was talking about and in the end admitted that you defended Maruchan through a scum tactic, known as a chainsaw defense (attacking the attacker of your scum partner, if anyone has a better definition feel free to give it). So now I'll ask you again why did you defend Maruchan and what makes you so sure that Maruchan is town to the extent that Substrike is scummy for voting him?

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whiskers the original quote comes off as defending Maruchan that's why I quoted it when you originally asked me when you defended Maruchan...(can you see why I might not be too happy with you? We're going in circles)

You said something to the extent of...and not much to say about substrike but he was the only other person voting Maruchan. (This is not a direct quote but it does give the gist of what you said.)

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I'm confused are you asking for an additional quote? I potentially see an alternative way to read the original quote in question but you've yet to explain it that way either I think. I may have just been confused. Why did you bring up Substrike in the first place if all you had on him was omgus and didn't you think it would draw just as much attention to bring him up on the grounds that he voted for Maruchan?

Whiskers from my point of view you've done nothing but try and get around actually answering my questions. None of your answers come off as being just straight answers. I've tried to help you help me and that hasn't worked to this point.

[Noramp]

just a side note did our game number change from 1208 to 1211?

[Noramp]

You quoted it yourself in your last post...

I don't know what to do about substrike, but hes the other player to vote for Maruchan.

The fact that you didn't know this was the quote I was referencing is sort of unfathomable since I paraphrased it in the post before your long post which quoted it and my paraphrase was way close enough to connect the dots seeing as I quoted you maybe two times during our exchange you had a 50/50 chance of choosing the right quote.

Is the common bond that they voted Maruchan?

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Whiskers

You quoted it yourself in your last post...

I don't know what to do about substrike, but hes the other player to vote for Maruchan.

The fact that you didn't know this was the quote I was referencing is sort of unfathomable since I paraphrased it in the post before your long post which quoted it and my paraphrase was way close enough to connect the dots seeing as I quoted you maybe two times during our exchange you had a 50/50 chance of choosing the right quote.

Is the common bond that they voted Maruchan?

At this point it's just obvious you are avoiding this Whiskers...

[Noramp]

I personally think whiskers, music or monk are good lynches today. Thoughts?

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Bobsnox

my only is fear is scum getting a mislynch of our cop and a free kill at night because they won't have to worry about our cop anymore. That being said I trust the counter claim in general more so than the first claim especially D1.

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Link is your sub read gut or is it based off something solid? If so could you point me to where you mentioned what you found suspicious?

[Noramp]

Maru did it tell you who he targeted? (I think that's ok to ask during this time of no talking? if not just ignore until he answers)

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UNVOTE: just in case
VOTE: Xvart feel kinda bad for xvart :/

[Noramp]

UNVOTE:
I think barring xvarts confession maruchan does not have a confirmed scum. Someone pointed out the strange decision it would have been to let music's replacement send in the kill when quite a few people were suspicious of him and I agree with that. I'm suggesting xvart is clear in my book but he is far from confirmed.

Xvart what are your reads so far?

[Noramp]

If maru Jked Xvart and xvart isnt scum then that means mafia didn't send in any NK which would be really weird but would probably suggest our remaining scum are probably hard lurkers which we don't really have other than Tovarish or we have a doc which seems unlikely at this point. I think we should lynch Xvart today and that can confirm whether or not Maru is really the JK. And personally I believe that a cop is way more important that a JK and therefore if we are lucky enough to have a doc they should target link and leave maru to his own devices sorry maru but with assured cop it is only a matter of time until town wins.

[Noramp]

I would say scum potentials right now are Whiskers, Friend and Scumhunter

Whiskers because of that extremely annoying exchange from i believe D1. he came off as scum trying to scoot me under the rug
Friend because I always have a nagging feeling he's scum
Scumhunter because his last couple posts have rubbed me the wrong way. Specifically...

Here's to hoping Maruchan didn't actually jail our cop. We really really should have specified that he not jail Link if xvart flipped scum.

Panacea has come off as town since D1 to me and I have reason to believe Substrike is town.

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* Whiskers, Friend or Scumhunter

[Noramp]

alright im tracker and last night I tracked Substrike and N1 I tracked monk both went nowhere

[Noramp]

anything other than stating it's possible that I'm fakeclaiming Friend?

Substrike you said you did not think I was scum or at least suspicious or something does that mean you think Link is fakeclaiming?

[Noramp]

VOTE: Panacea

[Noramp]

lol are you kidding friend/whiskers why would you vote for the claimed tracker and make it way easier for scum. they have to kill me tonight.

and scumhunter is clean

VOTE: Friend or Whiskers whichever you guys want

[Noramp]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Whiskers

[Noramp]

whiskers has been lynched already and i wont be alive tomorrow to give results assuming that scum bother to put in a nk

[Noramp]

lol game over

Friend = scum

[Noramp]

VOTE: Friend

got too excited

[Noramp]

friend targeted iamusername last name i see no other plausible explanation for this little visit.

[Noramp]

oops *last night not last name not sure where that came from

[Noramp]

Thanks for the game guys it was fun and thank you Bud for making it!

[Noramp]

*Bub

[Noramp]

Bub why did this game become 1211 half way thru?