Neon Genesis Evangelion Mafia (Game Over)

[Kast]

@Iec-
?
What are you even asking?

Obviously CJ was town D1. While town he expressed genuine town suspicion of Ace as scum. After he became scum, he dropped it. This isn't hard to follow especially as it follows directly with Noc's question on this exact subject.

@GI-
Ace is posting for the obvious town cred in the event that town comes to the obvious conclusion that the only sane members of the town block (CJ and Spyrex both reached) and I get killed and flip town. To a lesser degree, he's also preparing for the eventuality that idiot GI and GW push through a lynch on obv conf-town Kast with no reason other than people are unhappy I didn't plave an early game vote and opposed the dumb-town-bloc (which only made sense for CJ and LLD because they were MASONS).

I suppose the sudden push is probably an attempt to forestall and avoid explaining the lack of an Ace wagon, despite a majority previously expressing clear suspicion of Ace. Ace/Antifinity/and potentially GW are probably angel-scum.

[GreyICE]

VOTE: KAST

[Iecerint]

@ Kast -- Stevie pointed out that CJ-scum did not suspect Ace, so Ace was scum. You said that Stevie was wrong, because CJ suspected Ace N1. My point is that this is bogus, because CJ was town N1, so any "scum ignore one another" tell clearly wouldn't apply until D2.

[Iecerint]

D1*

[ZeL1nK]

Kast, how does your V/LA on weekends explain you lurking through D3 and D4?

[Papa Zito]

Day 5 - Vote Count #2

Amrun (0)

-

GreyICE (0)

-

Antifinity (0)

-

Iecerint (0)

-

Nocmen (0)

-

Surye (0)

-

Celebloki (1)

- Nocmen

Starbuck (0)

-

ace5993 (2)

- Kast, StevieT92

ZeL1nK (0)

-

StevieT92 (0)

-

GhostWriter (1)

- ace5993

Kast (4)

- ZeL1nK, GreyICE, Antifinity, GhostWriter

LobsterCatapult (0)

-

No Lynch (0)

-

Not Voting (6)

- Amrun, Iecerint, Surye, Celebloki, Starbuck, LobsterCatapult

14 votes available, 8 votes needed to lynch

Deadline is August 12, ~ 11:59 pm PDT


Prodding Surye, Starbuck, and LobsterCatapult

[LobsterCatapult]

im back from v/la. ill read up later on tonight.

[Kast]

@Iec-

My point is that this is bogus, because CJ was town N1, so any "scum ignore one another" tell clearly wouldn't apply until D2.

As I clearly pointed out, CJ was town D1, and

*ON D1 HE DID NOT IGNORE ACE*

. Further,

*ON D1 HE GENUINELY THOUGHT ACE WAS SCUM*

. Noc raised a very reasonable potential tell, that CJ dropping suspects from D1 to D2 could reflect CJ dropping his scum buddies after he got recruited. CJ did

*EXACTLY THIS*

regarding Ace.

I'm not sure why you keep arguing as if I'm trying to inconsistently apply the tangentially related null-tell that Stevie was using. Obviously Stevie's tell does not match up with my

*CORRECTION*

to his argument. At the same time, though distinct, they are similar; so if you are simply trying to say that Stevie is correct if you amend his statement to "CJ ignored Ace while CJ was scum", then I agree, but I don't see how that amended read is mutually exclusive with my point. Nor do I see how that weaker tell is anywhere near as valid.

@Zeln1k-
D3 lasted 5 hours overnight. What's your objection?
D4 started and ended while I was on posted V/LA (climbed Mt. Whitney on Monday, returned on Tuesday). It was also over in 36 hours from day start.

[Iecerint]

I missed that you were just being pedantic with Stevie. I thought you were correcting him because you didn't agree with his conclusion (i.e. you did not think that CJ->Ace events made Ace likelier scum).

[ZeL1nK]

@kast,

Objection?

I was asking you why this was relevant:

Night phases that last the entire week with day phases that end over the weekend don't work for my schedule. Never have, never will.

It looks like you were making an excuse, but the excuse isn't even valid.

[Iecerint]

It's because he doesn't have computer access on weekends IIRC.

[ZeL1nK]

Yes. But that's totally irrelevant.

[GreyICE]

If this is a mislynch, I'm sooooo past caring.

[Iecerint]

His point is that it annoys him when an entire day goes by while he doesn't have computer access.

[Amrun]

So I forgot to say I was v/la.

Not really back but I will do my best to catch up asap.

[Kast]

@Zeln1k-
You're ignoring the first half of what I posted, citing an example that was not relevant to the second half, then claiming the entire thing is irrelevant. That's invalid. I can't exactly post during night phase; and night phase has repeatably eaten the weekday periods when I have access and availability.
-D3 was uber short and there's no need to even ask why I (or anyone else) might not have posted then. Using that as an example is invalid.
-D4 started at Sunday Midnight/Monday of a long weekend and ended before I got back from V/LA on the Tuesday of that same long weekend. How is that irrelevant?

@GI-

If this is a mislynch, I'm sooooo past caring.

You were past caring from your third post of the game. How is your position now any different? You obviously aren't playing to win this game, and are still just playing to insult people who rub you wrong.

[GhostWriter]

Yup, kinda like Volkan, Malth, and CJ...

[Kast]

@GW-
Your post is unclear, but context suggests you are trying to buddy GreyIce. Re-check your facts.
-GI was pushing Stevie as an alternate to Malthusis up until the lynch. He was very explicit that his remaining suspicion of Malthusis was only there as appeasement to CJ/Tar (who he apparently worships).
-Vollkan was obvious scum publicly confirmed by Pom. The possibility of it being a mislynch was non-existant. The probability of anyone else being lynched that day was close enough to non-existant. Do you have a point with this?
-CJ was obvious scum confirmed by his lie about Spyrex and further by his interactions with Noc. GI did a good job in insisting on the CJ lynch. I've already gone over this.

[GreyICE]

VOTE: KAST

[StevieT92]

Sticking by my ace vote. GI is back to behaving like he was when I was concerned he was scum. He's either scum or a douchebag.

@Kast I wanna see you target Nocmen right now and have him use the investigation.

Ghostwriter has been extremely scummy this whole game with his sheeping. IDK if he's come up with one good argument all game, he tunneled me and has been basically following what GI says. This makes me think GI is town and GW is scum.

[Celebloki]

I think I'd have to agree with the reasoning on ace. I don't see what GI's so adamant about Kast for.

Vote: ace

[GhostWriter]

I'm totes scum, guys, and I bussed twice. ITT Stevie is still butthurt from D1 and ends up coming fairly close to contradicting himself in the same post just to make me look bad.

Also, if this Ace wagon finally gets going good, I'll be jumping on it. Been waiting for this pretty much since the beginning of the game.

[LobsterCatapult]

... i need to reread ace. i've somehow forgotten anything he has done. wasn't there a debate ping ponging about similar to mine and amruns situation that drew or ace could be scum, but not together? did LLD bring that up?

@kast... you cant target the computers more than once...even though there are only 3 of them? (unless i missed something)

im unsure at this point if i think stevie is just making these PMs up, or scum is sending them. almost inclined to believe scum is sending them to make stevie look ridiculous, though he does a fairly good job of that on his own.

im.....unsure about kast. especially since he cant target one more than once. though, this could be because itd be really helpful if nocmen would target amrun.

ill start rereading kast/ace now.

[Kast]

@Stevie-
I already gave Noc a day cop and he already confirmed this and used it to cleared LC as non-Angel.

I'll keep targeting players I think are town and who haven't claimed non-Supercomputer.

@Celebloki-
I don't recall you even being in this game. Iso doesn't show much more than sheeping the leading wagons at the time. More posts of substance would be welcome; particularly thoughts on players with reasons for those thoughts.

@GW-
The difference between Ace-wagon and Kast-wagon in terms of size and momentum is GW's vote AND Nocmen expressing willingness to join the wagon but current preference for Celebloki.

I'm totes scum, guys, and I bussed twice.

This is meaningless attempt at dismissal. There's absolutely no reason to think any scum would avoid bussing either Vollkan OR CJ. This is twice that you're trying to push a "Player X was on 2 scum lynches=>Player X must be a townie" argument and it's just as silly and invalid now as it was the first time you pushed it.

@LC-
That's correct. I can only target any player once. Additionally, I get no feedback about whether my ability was a success or failure (aside from my target deciding to claim in thread).

though, this could be because itd be really helpful if nocmen would target amrun.

This is unclear;
-Are you saying you think I'm fake claiming in order to excuse myself/Noc from investigating Amrun?
-Are you saying your reservations about Kast ("unsure about") might be biased since you really wish Noc could investigate Amrun?

FTR, Amrun's been playing like town and it would have been a terrible waste for Noc to investigate her when there's many other much better targets (Ace, Antifinity, GW,...even Stevie).

[GhostWriter]

Has it ever occurred to you that perhaps, just perhaps, it can cause adverse anti-town effects in various characters who are not supercomputers, but some kind of upgradable role?