TV Mafia Game Over - Scum Win

[David Xanatos]

He didn't react either way, but

for fecks sake read what I'm fecking saying

.

Even if Pine's post reset his "Timer", he's now 24 hours over the inactivity threshold for the third prod, in one day, under the rules, that's a replace.

Do not pass go, do not collect £200

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[Pinky and the Brain]

-Nero
In regards to your claim in 1142 that your whole case was written throughout your other posts... that's a lie.

Not a fan of Silver head's reactions to Junepi in 927/930

This was never mentioned in your first 15 posts.

He's lied twice

This was also not addressed as an issue (There was a post where you lightly accused me once but never a second time) in your first 15 posts.

I think this whole hydra disavowence thing is really really scummy.

This like the above were also not stated in your first 15 posts.

--Everyone
Nero asks this

And why was it so important you have a full fledged case on you?

This question... should never be asked by someone ESPECIALLY someone who wants you lynched. A full fledged case obviously helps both the person trying to push a wagon and possibly the person trying to dissuade themselves from being wagoned. Why? Because it pushes information out for the town to analyze, others can fully see why you believe this is a good choice, it also gives the person who you have the case on to try to justify themselves and dissuade said "facts" that you present. If it isn't clear cut then people tend to just ignore it or glance over it which helps neither party. The fact that you question why I'd ever want the case on me just proves your motivation to push a mislynch mired in disinformation and a hope to declare no responsibility for it. I'm now cemented on my read on you for this and I greatly thank you for it.

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(Caps simply so it doesn't get glanced over)
IF I AM AT L-1 EVEN IF YOU ARE DIEING FOR THIS DAY TO END AND YOU WANT TO HAMMER, FEEL ABSOLUTELY FREE TO

STATE

THAT YOU ARE WILLING TO HAMMER BUT

DO NOT HAMMER

UNTIL I HAVE MY LAST WORD (WHERE I SUM UP EVERYTHING READS ETC) IF SOMEONE HAMMERS ME BEFORE I DO THIS, HE'S SCUM.
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Lastly the attitude and will of this town overall is pretty pathetic half of the votes if not more or simply on me with people giving half assed well the case on silver is good and he's gaining momentum so i'll hop on, and people are being impatient and bitching about oh there's no scumhunting while essentially doing nothing about it. Scum likes to lead the town you idiots... not saying that's occuring here but if the day is stagnating... and your town... you shouldn't be saying, Screw This let's end the day (The more information town gets... the better... you only help scum by ending the day early), you also shouldn't be saying guys this day is stagnating can we get someone scum hunting?, you SHOULD be ... i bet you guessed it by now... SCUMHUNTING... so that the day get's productive once more... it's really pathetic seeing the laziness going on right now with people (assuming you to be town) and I'd like if you actually... attempted to put effort into your wincon and help us win...
This post by diddin is esentially an example of (with exceptions) the overall town

Sick of this day. It has stagnated from actual scumhunting to Junpei spamming the thread, silver posting the same stupid shit about Pine, and zelink telling everyone they are wrong. We should have had a lynch days ago.

(Not using this as evidence of scum or town, it's arrogance if anything else and rubs me as null and lazy). He bitches about the stagnating day. States junpei spamming the thread (possibly true... and you fail to see that he's possibly doing this as a scum gambit to stagnate town.. yet don't do shit about it), me posting the same stupid shit about Pine (UNTRUE, while I am reminding people of pine, I have been questioning people and getting reads on others and have Obviously moved my views to another if you even bothered to put in effort), and zelink telling everyone they are wrong (Untrue, he's stated his reasons... yet you more or less respond dhurp your dumb and wrong... what are your reasons again)
You guys HAVE to pick your game up or we are just gonna get wiped off the floor, either replace if your not gonna bother putting effort into the town win-con so we can get people who possibly can or you know... put in some fucking effort
[/rant]
But seriously this town needs to pick it's game up... it's sad that a lynch is being spoken of when

there are 3 weeks left

... downright disgraceful even. I'm more than happy to be the lynch over zinger... but lynching me before August 9th/10th/11th just doesn't go at all to town's advantage.

ffs

-diddin

[silverbullet999]

There are 3 weeks left... (considering how you count weeks)... but what you quoted had nothing to do with that... and the deadline is a month. Least you cooled down.

[ThAdmiral]

I've had a think about it...

The "lynch me instead of david" might be a slight town-tell for silver but I think it is outweighed by all the other scummy behavior. I am entirely

not

convinced by his "town is sucking" rant. In any case I think the last couple of pages REALLY proves we need a lynch to get things moving. I mean 20 posts about prod rules interpretations. Seriously? Before that an entire discussion about appropriate deadline lengths?!?

[silverbullet999]

You skim that and put fourth the effort to go scum hunt yourself.

Regardless i'm fine with my lynch but let me get my last word before a hammer when it gets to that point.

[ThAdmiral]

Well I certainly won't be hammering you. But that's because I'm already voting you.

[ThreeIsFrench]

oh god, every time i refresh the page its like 5 more pages lmao

Gah silverbullet is so obvscum, but zinger still needs to die 100% chance vs 75%, seriously; theres no way hes town

[Pappums Leather Jacket]

silver, if you are still a part of a hydra in this game could you please post under your hydra account?

Zelink seems to be coming up with every defense and excuse possible for Zinger while not taking into consideration the solid points that are raised against him.

This day needs to end FFS.

[killerjester]

I don't like silver's martyr behavior. Even if he is town, it doesn't feel more helpful than Zinger's gambit was.

[silverdrummer]

(I always enjoy being a martyr in certain situations because I always think it will work... same with here. Results... have varied)

Realistically my lynch helps town more than Zinger's if my reads are right.

[killerjester]

Does cj agree with your gambit? I don't want to spoil the surprise ending to your gambit, but I'd feel overall better about it if your other head is also down for it.

[silverdrummer]

There's no surprise ending, its simply oh he flipped town, lets follow some of his last words... and work together.. and etc and lynch the scumz.
(Sacrifice of one to bring the others together)

Cj has still not responded neither in qt or pm so I'm acting solo.

[killerjester]

I meant that as I want to know your reads, but not if it ruins your gambit when you tell me pre-lynch. Get cj's approval. I don't like you becoming a martyr, and I'm not going to go along with it on just your solo word.

[silverdrummer]

It's not really a gambit, I just think stating my final reads and thoughts a tiny bit before day ends is more effective and will be remembered better than just simply stating it now and possibly getting it lost in the general hub-bub.

Not sure how i'm going to get cj's approval (I doubt he'd approve this) but besides that he still hasn't communicated with me.. so that request will need to be tossed to the back burner for now.

[killerjester]

So you want to martyr for the sake of getting noticed. For some odd reason I'm not okay with this.

And I don't think you ever got around to answering my question about Zinger. Since you're willing to die in his stead, that almost implies that not only you think he's town, but that he can help us even more than you can if he's alive and you aren't. Given his bad gambit, I can't see that happening. Can you let me in on your thoughts about Zinger? Don't hold back, I'd like to know your full opinion.

[silverdrummer]

Not to get noticed (I'm already noticed in this game), to enhance the impact and prevent people from questioning it fully from a scum perspective/motivation since I'll be shown as town.

I'd rather not get fully into zinger else that sorta kills some of the point, and also can get into the heavy wifomy area.

[killerjester]

..Yea I'm not content with lynching you. I feel you'll be directing the kills too much and the margin for error is pretty high.

[silverdrummer]

Attempting to direct two kills (assuming everyone listens all of a sudden) in a large game? I don't think that'd hurt too much (assuming worst case scenario where I'm completely wrong). And of course trying to get town to put pressure on a few other players here and there, again shouldn't hurt.

[vezokpiraka]

I don't see silverdrummer as scum.

On the other hand zinger still needs to die.

[killerjester]

I don't see silverdrummer as scum.

I felt the same way. Assuming he was, he'd be taking the gambit that we don't agree with his plan and conclude to not lynch him. I'm not saying scum

can't

take this gambit, just that in my opinion a scum wouldn't want to. But I also don't agree with silver directing kills. He appears to think his role is worthless, and I think he's over-confident in his reads. He can make his point just fine without becoming a martyr. I just think if he does martyr for the cause, the town will feel more-compelled than they normally should to listen to him. If we make the norm to agree with silver, I think finding scum would become harder.

[vollkan]

Also pretty sure it is 3-2-1 as well, highly doubt zinger is town. Like a 2% chance maybe.

I'll be sure to have a laugh at your expense when I flip town.

Also, to answer the question everyone's been answering:
1-3-2

Why do you think that you are more likely third-party than scum?

Is this a rhetorical question?

Kind of. If you are town, then from your perspective 2 and 3 should be both equally impossible.

I never said we had three weeks left.. I did say newbie games have three week deadlines... and this... is not a newbie game.

*cough*

2. Why are people aiming for a lynch... with 3 weeks still being left before deadline...

But seriously this town needs to pick it's game up... it's sad that a lynch is being spoken of when there are 3 weeks left... downright disgraceful even. I'm more than happy to be the lynch over zinger... but lynching me before August 9th/10th/11th just doesn't go at all to town's advantage.

[Zinger2099]

Kind of. If you are town, then from your perspective 2 and 3 should be both equally impossible.

Being Town is about as far as you can get from being Mafia. From that perspective, being Self is closer to Town than Mafia is.

But yes, I know both to be equally impossible.

[jasonT1981]

Rainbowdash replaces Pvt Slate, thank you. I also want to take this opportunity to say sorry about my mix up yesterday.Prods will go out soon when I get back online for a longer period of time.

[jasonT1981]

Mera (1)
Izak (1)
Pine (2)

Have been prodded

[silverdrummer]

Mera (1)
Izak (1)
Pine (2)

Have been prodded

@ Mod: Does this mean that Pine is not officially being replaced yet?