ASOIAF: Test of Faith Mafia (Game Over!)

[Hinduragi]

Benmage has to be scum for this?

....And so, Benmage is his recruit? And he doesn't want his recruit lynched but is bussing him and will happily jump off if it looks like his recruit is in danger?

[Hinduragi]

Never mind that.

If it looks like Benmage isn't going to get lynched, he's happy enough to drop it .

I read this wrong. Like this

If it looks like Benmage is going to get lynched, he's happy enough to drop it

[Hinduragi]

You're right. His Day 4 end-day behavior doesn't match up AT ALL to a town perspective on someone who tried to out them as a PR. BUT why does Benmage have to be scum for this? I don't get it.

[Thor665]

Isn't the logic that Emp is cult regardless of Ben's alignment?

[Hinduragi]

Yes, but I want to see where Magua's coming from. I have a townread on Benmage and had one on Empking so this is confusing.

[Thor665]

@Magua - Watcher is a ballsy fakeclaim, especially in a three faction setup. Thoughts?

[ooba]

Vote Count

Benmage (2)

- Empking, SpyreX

Nexus (1)

- Hinduragi

Hinduragi (2)

- Cogito Ergo Sum, Lost Butterfly

Cogito Ergo Sum (2)

- Espeonage, Thor665

Empking (2)

- Benmage, Magua

Not Voting (2)

- Locke Lamora, Nexus

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch!

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Deadline is in

(expired on 2011-07-30 23:59:59)

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

It wouldn't be particularly ballsy if he stole it from one of his recruits. Seems like an easy fakeclaim to me anyhow. We already have most of our power roles accounted for.

[Magua]

You're right. His Day 4 end-day behavior doesn't match up AT ALL to a town perspective on someone who tried to out them as a PR. BUT why does Benmage have to be scum for this? I don't get it.

Because Benmage D4 was all "I'm claiming Crone"
Empking is all, "You're scum"
Benmage is all, "Empking is obviously the real Crone"
Empking is all, "You're still scum"
Benmage is all, "Lets lynch vezokpiraka!"
Empking is all, "You're still scum but whatever"

Now D5, it's:

Benmage is all, "Empking never cc'ed me, he must be scum, oh, by the way, Empking, answer this question so I can vote SpyreX or Espeonage"
Empking is all, "Benmage is the cult recruiter"

The behavior doesn't make sense from either perspective. Empking is making pretty big gaps in his arguments ("I think Benmage is the Cult Recruiter and Magua is a recruit", and when it's pointed out I'm voting for Benmage, he's "Nevermind, didn't see the vote count" which just feels so off to me.

He thinks Benmage is the cult recruiter but he doesn't seem to care how the pieces fit together. It's more like he's going through the motions.

@Magua - Watcher is a ballsy fakeclaim, especially in a three faction setup. Thoughts?

Three PRs already dead when he claims reduces that a lot.

[Lost Butterfly]

I'd say there's a decent chance of there being a watcher, the thing is that of course Empking could be cult recruiter who is using an actual watcher's claim or a recruit who was a watcher.

Empking's reaction to Benmage actually looks fairly townish to me too.

[Magua]

I'd say there's a decent chance of there being a watcher, the thing is that of course Empking could be cult recruiter who is using an actual watcher's claim or a recruit who was a watcher.

Empking's reaction to Benmage actually looks fairly townish to me too.

I would put more weight onto this if you weren't voting Hinduragi-the-antithesis-of-a-cult-recruiter.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I'm afraid I'm going to be V/LA starting in about an hour. I'm going to yell at you guys if Nexus gets lynched.

I can't see Hind getting lynched as it stands, certainly not if I can't actively push it, so I will

Unvote, vote: Empking

[Locke Lamora]

Well, this all seems like a horrible, horrible mess. For obvious reasons I really don't have the time to go over everything, so here are my thoughts reading back what I can:

-I'm actually inclined to believe everything Empking says about his role. His play seems to fit with it. I don't know if that says as much about his alignment in a game like this.
-Benmage is jumping about all over the place, infuriating, and what's all the more infuriating is that if it was someone else acting like this, he'd tell them to shut up and lynch them. If anything it reeks of desperation, which I'd say is most likely to be CR-play. I'm just a little bit too much of a sucker for AtE to be very sure of that.
-LB seems like they don't have a lot of direction, which I do understand after trying to read this game. Leaning town.
-I think Hinduragi is town. Magua too. Espeonage, of course.
-Nexus seems to be obsessed with this slot being as lurky as him - which to me, ought to be a reason for him to empathise with the slot, not for wanting to lynch the slot. His only other point against us is just plain wrong. That said, he does read as pretty clueless and quite annoyed that he's not been contributing much, which read town.
-Spyrex seems like he's less lost than a lot of players, which kind of gives me a bad vibe. The one thing we know about this game is that town really is not in control at all. I get kind of a similar feeling from CES; there's a lot more certainty than I'd expect given that town has been absolutely all over the place.
-Thor seems to be fairly quiet today and more asking others questions than providing too much thrust of his own. I get that he thinks Nexus and CES should be under consideration, but he's not really put forward any convincing arguments for either.

So I guess I quite want to lynch Benmage, but I find myself frustratingly swayed by the 'no way Benmage would self-vote as scum!' arguments. Will keep rereading.

[Magua]

I'm afraid I'm going to be V/LA starting in about an hour. I'm going to yell at you guys if Nexus gets lynched.

I can't see Hind getting lynched as it stands, certainly not if I can't actively push it, so I will

Unvote, vote: Empking

Nexus is my back up choice to be lynched. So, train your yelling voice well.

Locke, hey. Offer completely stands: tell me you're mafia and I will vote whoever you wish.

[Empking]

Magua, I think you've got the blinkers on where everything looks scummy

Empking is making pretty big gaps in his arguments ("I think Benmage is the Cult Recruiter and Magua is a recruit", and when it's pointed out I'm voting for Benmage, he's "Nevermind, didn't see the vote count" which just feels so off to me.

Like with this. Which player pointed out that you were voting BM?

And on the Vezok issue I made it clear that I thought vezok was scum and I wanted to lynch cult, I just wasn't posting much in general at that point.

[SpyreX]

Locke's post requires a full brain for me to rip apart but good lord some of that ruckus is so bad I have no words. The simple fact he was (right?) one of the non-cr results is the only reason it doesn't go there.

I know I said I was done but I lied: Benmage said lynch scum kill cult is awesome when it maintains the status quo in most scenarios... which, again, with less people is what.. a cult win gg world WHY CANT YOU GUYS HELP ME GOD

[Benmage]

SpyreX true or false:
You think I am the cult recruiter?

[SpyreX]

The biggest reason I DONT think you are the CR is the simple ego of me early on being so wrong about you being town. The play and this whole debacle that the biggest argument against is "Well, its so stupid he can't be." Well, look who's still alive, no?

What is important is I'm pretty damn sure you're cult AND that gives a for real chance of getting ahead of the status quo then lynching Empking who in my head goes scum, town, space invader, pirate, in a different game, cult in the chances of that happening.

[Benmage]

You'd rather lynch a recruit than a scum?

[SpyreX]

Unless there was an idiotic amount of scum (there wasn't) and this game started with 3-4 (so now 2-3 with Empking ready to go whenevs):

YES I SAID EXACTLY THIS BEFORE.

Growing threats need to be destroyed. Period.

[Benmage]

And how many people are unrecruitable?

All the scum?

All the embodiements.

You think theres 2 cult from the getgo.. and they havent missed a recruit??

How does scum win this game?

Killing scum, and NK-ing cult stops they're growth..and eliminates scum.

Why risk lynching town?

Besides.. you're being

USELESS

here. I was L-1..... I'm not being lynched today. Start being usefull. Find the Cult Leader to lynch. Or lynch confirmed not town Empking.

[SpyreX]

I'm betting on 9 unrecruitables. 4 scum 5 town.

2 to start even if they MISSED one is still a growing threat.

I just wish LB would claim Stranger so it all made sense and you'd die.

I mean good lord look at your words there its not "I'm town lynching me is bad."

[Benmage]

We're way past me calling me town.

The modhathconfirmed me town.

[Benmage]

You gonna contribute today?

[SpyreX]

You know this game is going to be the first, and hopefully, only time I'm going to use meta when its done.

To get you lynched every game because regardless of your alignment this is retarded.

No I'll stick to staying "under the radar".