So you're going to give me all kinds of great reasons why malp is town right? Ok go.
Hi Zito. I'd like to thank Fenchurch for this great analysis of the votes:
Fenchurch wrote:
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You have voteparked on NS/Malpa before, and now you are just back where you started. NS was a target anyway, and seen that you even parked your vote there, I doubt he is scum. You are though.
"I died and turned into a Roman. It's very distracting."
I don't get it either. Your argument is that Zito is scum, because malpa is town; and malpa is town, because Zito is scum. Why are you insisting on circular logic, Rory?
Fenchurch wrote:I don't get it either. Your argument is that Zito is scum, because malpa is town; and malpa is town, because Zito is scum. Why are you insisting on circular logic, Rory?
I'm working on the assumptions that townies don't votepark.
I see Zito lurking and keeping his vote on Malpa, coming back etc. Among posts which are off to me (and I have commented on till then)
I reason Zito must be scum and malpa consequentely town (since scum parks a vote on him).
Never in this reasoning is the implication that Zito must be scum because malpa is town ever used. Zito made it seem circular. It certainly isn't.
because I'm not stupid and I am logical. Thanks.
"I died and turned into a Roman. It's very distracting."
Fenchurch wrote:My issue with Twisted's case on Zito is this; he seems to use the same reason to clear malpa and condemn Zito: their votes for "innocents". If malpa-scum wouldn't want to draw attention, then why wouldn't Zito-scum be concerned about the same thing?
Oh wow, scum alert. Maybe I was too quick to declare you a townie. I feel like tou are being purposefully dim here. Malp and PZ clearly have very different experience levels that make a massive difference in terms of how their actions should be interpreted.
Maybe you are scum with PZ and Copper. That would make some sense.
VitaminR wrote:Oh wow, scum alert. Maybe I was too quick to declare you a townie. I feel like tou are being purposefully dim here. Malp and PZ clearly have very different experience levels that make a massive difference in terms of how their actions should be interpreted.
If anything, I'd expect that to have the opposite effect then. I think experienced scum would have a better idea of how not to draw attention, whereas newb-scum are more likely to be a loose cannon.
Fenchurch wrote:My issue with Twisted's case on Zito is this; he seems to use the same reason to clear malpa and condemn Zito: their votes for "innocents". If malpa-scum wouldn't want to draw attention, then why wouldn't Zito-scum be concerned about the same thing?
Oh wow, scum alert. Maybe I was too quick to declare you a townie. I feel like tou are being purposefully dim here. Malp and PZ clearly have very different experience levels that make a massive difference in terms of how their actions should be interpreted.
Maybe you are scum with PZ and Copper.
That would make some sense.
"Can we keep this one, dad? Pleeaaaaase?"
Now seriously, those are the people on top of my scumlist. And VitaminR just moved up in my townlist.
"I died and turned into a Roman. It's very distracting."
I could agree that Vitamin is town, but not based on who he suspects.
Question to anyone who wants to give an answer to this, and the answer will probably vary based on who you suspect, but: Why do you think Amrun's wagon stalled at L-2 for ages on D1?
I've sorta been lazy with mafia these past few days. Will put some effort into catching up properly over the next 24 hours after some sleep. Apologies for the inactivity.
I could agree that Vitamin is town, but not based on who he suspects.
That might be a personal thing. More often then not the person who thinks in the same direction as I do is of the same allignment. It's pretty much the strongest town tell I can find.
I've sorta been lazy with mafia these past few days. Will put some effort into catching up properly over the next 24 hours after some sleep. Apologies for the inactivity.
I don't think you have to worry that much. The game died a bit with that second day.
"I died and turned into a Roman. It's very distracting."
zMuffinMan wrote:Question to anyone who wants to give an answer to this, and the answer will probably vary based on who you suspect, but: Why do you think Amrun's wagon stalled at L-2 for ages on D1?
I think because all or some of the scumteam were afraid to join what they knew would be a mislynch.
I still think VitR is scum. He declared a town-read on Amrun fairly early Day 1 (#264, #369) and probably found it hard to turn around on that when she became the leading wagon at the end of Day 1, especially since he was a suspect himself earlier in the Day, and would have probably come under more scrutiny for a switch.
proddodge.... even though I'm V/la for another week
anyways, you've only done 2 pages, so I can't be missing too much
I'll make this short. PZ is scum because he was the only one who wasn't an obv or conf. townie on the Amrun wagon, and I'll take some convincing indeed to believe it had 0 scum on it
1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
"Murder is no better than cards if cards can do the trick"
~Screwtape
Glad you've still got some access Twistedspoon. Yeah we've only got about 4 active players right now I think.
I just feel pretty null on Zito, whereas I'm more sure on VitR. Rory commented that Vitamin's defence seemed genuine, but I think defence is the easiest thing to fake as scum, because even townies don't want to get mislynched. I'll try and look back on PZ sometime though.
I'm away tomorrow, back Sunday. Last weekend trip for a while, I hope.
Fenchurch wrote:Glad you've still got some access Twistedspoon. Yeah we've only got about 4 active players right now I think.
well I don't really have access
come a few hours I'll be V/la for another week but if you're only going to get through 2 pages again then once I return from next week the active times may roll on as things get smoother for me. I'm holidaying in Austria Y'see
still, It's nice to be welcomed back
so do you believe there was at least one scum one the Amrun wagon Fenchurch? If so it's almost certainly Zito
1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
"Murder is no better than cards if cards can do the trick"
~Screwtape
If there were scum on the wagon then I'd guess it's Zito, zMuff, or both. I couldn't say strongly. Rory's point about Zito's voteparking does sense. But I think zMuff's play has been scummy too. And I don't really like how a lot of people said they would lynch him yesterday, and then failed to follow through.
zMuff, what is your own answer to your question?
zMuffinMan wrote:Question to anyone who wants to give an answer to this, and the answer will probably vary based on who you suspect, but: Why do you think Amrun's wagon stalled at L-2 for ages on D1?
I find it highly unlikely that the Amrun wagon is 100% town
I find it also highly(?) unlikely that Muffin is mafioso
Therefore I find it highly likely we have a mafioso in PZ
Also, his last 7 or so posts seem to have little content, reek of pushing the malpa myslynch and just really look like overconfident scum to me with the (well you haven't got a case on me) nonsense
my vote stays on PZ as i go V/la part 2
1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
"Murder is no better than cards if cards can do the trick"
~Screwtape
Let's just suppose, in some magical parallel world, there's a slight possibility that you're wrong about me being scum.
Who would you think is scum and why? 1 or 2 scum on the Amrun wagon?
As for why I think the wagon stalled at L-2, there's a few possible reasons.
1) It was already scum-infested. I don't think this is likely just due to the composition of the wagon.
2) There was 1 scum on it and the other 2 were undecided as to how best approach the wagon. Again, I don't consider this likely, because I think Twisted and CES are probably both town.
3) There was no scum on it and they were in a predicament about how best to approach the wagon based on what they'd said previously about Amrun or they were inactive at the time or they simply didn't know how best to jump on the wagon without blatantly saying "yeah, I'm scum". <- This is what I think is most likely.
Your insistence that I'm scum is starting to irk me. Your case on me was pretty damn bad and you've done nothing to add to it except continually insist that my play was scummy D1.
@Vitamin,
So. Let's just say I believe you're town but we're not lynching Copper today. What now?
Well, I'm in agreement with you on option 3. This is what I think is most likely too. This is another reason why I think VitR is scum, his play fits with that theory.
But Twisted asked me, if there were scum on the wagon, then who; so I answered that question.
And your suggestion that I've done nothing but "continually insist you're scum without adding new information", is way overstated. I haven't been targetting you much today, my focus has been on VitR. And in that very last post I did add a new piece of information: the promises of votes on you that failed to materialise at the end of Day 2.
