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[Kcdaspot]

... you took out a PR as well... that isn't really fair but w/e...

Mask is just awful...

Vezok is vezok.

He is unreadable beacause he's so stupid.. i'd rather vote the person i have a read on rather one i don't...... now that i think about it sorasgoof and vezok switch places.

[Empking]

Vote Count 37

Cobblerfone (1) - TheMask
Kcdaspot
Nocmen
TheMask (2) - Kcdaspot, Cobblerfone
Surye
vezokprika (2) - Ironhead, Nocmen
Ironhead
sorasgoof

8 players alive, 5 to lynch.

[Cobblerfone]

So wait, you post this, seemingly ignoring vezok in this post, but in your next post, you add him after Iron mentions about him likely being your partner.

Seems like pretty solid buddying.

Anyone else want a fast wagon on Cobbler before deadline?

I put Vezok in the post you're refering to because it was a general, "who's going to get lynched?" My mafia read, my best SK read, or the other "wagon".

[Kcdaspot]

Cobbler's town, sorry.

recent post have been bad thoo.

[Kcdaspot]

BTW where is Sora..

he's promising catchup... and i can't eat this burger without catchup.

[Surye]

... you took out a PR as well... that isn't really fair but w/e...

Mask is just awful...

Vezok is vezok.

He is unreadable beacause he's so stupid.. i'd rather vote the person i have a read on rather one i don't...... now that i think about it sorasgoof and vezok switch places.

Yes, when there is serious reasonable doubt that vezo is not BG, I cannot and will not vote for him as all the things ironman said is unfortunately vezo play. Pointless claiming, nonsense action choices, self preserving play. I won't let him get away with that. Unless I have reason to believe the the claim. And I have stated several times why I believe that's so, and I don't see why iron doesn't see it.

[Kcdaspot]

Surye vote mask.

[Ironhead]

Anyone else want a fast wagon on Cobbler before deadline?

Cobblerfone only seems scum because of his relationship with vezokpiraka, who is confirmed scum. Let's lynch vezojkpiraka first, then lynch Cobblerfone tomorrow. If we lynch Cobblerfone first and it turns out that he isn't scum (low probability, but possible as he is not confirmed scum like vezokpiraka) then we may yet lose. We must lynch the confirmed scum to give us some breathing room from LYLO.

[Surye]

Anyone else want a fast wagon on Cobbler before deadline?

Cobblerfone only seems scum because of his relationship with vezokpiraka, who is confirmed scum. Let's lynch vezojkpiraka first, then lynch Cobblerfone tomorrow. If we lynch Cobblerfone first and it turns out that he isn't scum (low probability, but possible as he is not confirmed scum like vezokpiraka) then we may yet lose. We must lynch the confirmed scum to give us some breathing room from LYLO.

Hahahahahaha. Confirmed? That's rich. You may be town, but you've lost any credibility. Oh, and pulling the "I am town, my analysis is right" card? A joke.

I'm reading back on Mask, the deadline is looming heavily.

[Surye]

Wow, Mask early game and recently look like two different people playing. Early on he was all about "MUST FIND THE CONNECTION BETWEEN PLAYERS TO FIND SCUM OR LYNCH!!", and every post was calling someone out (often me) for being scummy for not having clear scum connections, and then finding pairs to call out as scum. Now that we're closer to lylo situation, he's all but stopped analyzing.

His early play is quite scummy, and he moved to neutral complacency. Given the impending deadline, and that I believe vezok is town, I think Mask is our best bet.

VOTE: The Mask

[Ironhead]

Hahahahahaha. Confirmed? That's rich. You may be town, but you've lost any credibility. Oh, and pulling the "I am town, my analysis is right" card? A joke.

You disappoint me. I think I have been laying enough hints for everyone to pick up; but I see subtlety does not work on some people.

the deadline is looming heavily.

Unfortunately. I am reluctant to claim, but I doubt I will survive the night (due to the not-so-subtle hints I have been dropping) and I do not want scum claiming my role.

/claim sane cop

Night 1 result: Ironhead is innocent
Night 2 result: Amrun is guilty

Now, go back and see what I see: look at how Amrun (and before him, Monk and Quilford) interacts with vezokpiraka and Mask, so that you can see that Mask is town and vezokpiraka is scum (look especially at Day 2, after earworm claimed hider and the momentum was up for grabs). Based on the way Cobblerfone has been playing dumb today, I contend that he is very likely to be vezokpiraka's partner and the last scum.

You are making vague guesses based on your reads of the way players are posting. It is an inexact art with low probability of success, and we cannot afford failure. Please, follow my guidance and vote vezokpiraka for victory.

I doubt there is a bodyguard left (if there was, vezokpiraka wouldn't claim it today) but if I am wrong then please protect me tonight.

[Surye]

UNVOTE: need to think about this...

[Cobblerfone]

@mod: Does cop get guilty on the serial killer and traitor?

[Empking]

@mod: Does cop get guilty on the serial killer and traitor?

Yes

[Nocmen]

Well...if vezok is BG, let's give him a chance to confirm it in a blaze of glory? Lynch Cobbler today, and auto-lynch vezok if he's alive tomorrow and Iron isnt?

Then again...I don't know if that directly works, if SK is still alive, then SK kills Iron, while vezok (if scum) kills...no I think that still works?

[Nocmen]

EBWOP:

Unvote, Vote: Cobblerfone

[Ironhead]

Well...if vezok is BG, let's give him a chance to confirm it in a blaze of glory? Lynch Cobbler today, and auto-lynch vezok if he's alive tomorrow and Iron isnt?

This town is fail

UNVOTE: VEZOKPIRAKA
VOTE: COBBLERFONE

the viable scumwagon.

[Kcdaspot]

Well...if vezok is BG, let's give him a chance to confirm it in a blaze of glory? Lynch Cobbler today, and auto-lynch vezok if he's alive tomorrow and Iron isnt?

This town is fail

UNVOTE: VEZOKPIRAKA
VOTE: COBBLERFONE

the viable scumwagon.

I'll say! you idiots are on the wrong wagon!

why is mask town?


ffs.

[Cobblerfone]

I'm town. Vezok is the bodyguard. If we can't agree between Mask, Vezok or Kc, how about low-profile Sora? Or anyone besides the three people I'm sure are town? (me, Iron, Vezok)

[vezokpiraka]

So you think I said I Bodyguarded my scum buddy instead of the confirmed insane cop?

Yeah no.

unvote
vote mask

Amrun distances from her buddies.

[Empking]

Vote Count 37.5

Cobblerfone (3) - TheMask, Nocmen, Ironhead
Kcdaspot
Nocmen
TheMask (3) - Kcdaspot, Cobblerfone, vezokprika
Surye
vezokprika
Ironhead
sorasgoof

8 players alive, 5 to lynch.

[Cobblerfone]

Then again...I don't know if that directly works, if SK is still alive, then SK kills Iron, while vezok (if scum) kills...no I think that still works?

Wait. What? If SK is still alive they must've killed Amrun right? If Amrun was the SK then the mafia didn't target a confirmed innocent or power role. Point is, tonight isn't going to be predictable either way.

[Ironhead]

I'll say! you idiots are on the wrong wagon!

why is mask town?

Re-read Day 2. Note how at various times, Amrun, vezokpiraka, and Cobblerfone try to indict Mask. Also note that at various times they rate Mask a null or town tell. The votes on Mask came when it was convenient to shift the momentum toward someone else* -- there were two unsuccessful mislynch wagons (earworm and PeregrineV) and then the successful mislynch (chkflip). When the momentum on the first two died, there was a scum ready to cast momentum toward Mask; and both times it failed, and another mislynch wagon emerged that they could shamelessly ride on.

*Post #703 is a great example (be sure to read 696, 698, 699, 700, and 702 first to understand the momentum shift).

I'm town. Vezok is the bodyguard. If we can't agree between Mask, Vezok or Kc, how about low-profile Sora? Or anyone besides the three people I'm sure are town? (me, Iron, Vezok)

This post is very, very anti-town:

1. How do you know vezokpiraka is the bodyguard? Because of his unprovoked claim? Surely you don't instantly believe every claim you hear?
2. Why would we settle for a lynch when we are so close to LYLO? Your comment of "...how about... anyone" supports scum strategy. If you have a scum suspect, you vote him. Clearly, you do not have a scum suspect (how quickly you surrendered your principles on Mask!) -- you know who else don't have scum suspects? Answer: scum.

So you think I said I Bodyguarded my scum buddy instead of the confirmed insane cop?

Yeah no.

Methinks this is a scum slip.

First of all, I obviously don't think you body-guarded anyone. I accuse you of being scum and not a bodyguard, as you claim; I'm not accusing you of being some sort of scum/bodyguard hybrid. So

what I think

is you endured a lot of suspicion and close-calls with regard to wagons yesterday; and when Amrun (whom I knew to be scum) died and I put more pressure on you at the beginning of D-3, you decided to claim bodyguard (which you could safely do if you knew the bodyguard had been NK'd). The problem is that you couldn't just claim bodyguard -- as D-2 showed, claims are problematic for the claimer, and besides, you didn't even have a reason to claim. So you made yourself an excuse to claim by claiming that your protection order didn't go through (a real bodyguard wouldn't announce this, by the way -- he would just assume he was role-blocked, or if anything, he would PM the GM to confirm he was role-blocked).

Second of all: I'm not saying you bodyguarded your scum buddy instead of the confirmed insane cop; I'm saying you're scum pretending to be the bodyguard.

But you're not claiming to be the bodyguard protecting the confirmed insane cop, either!

You claimed to have protected Amrun.

Did you get confused, or did I catch you in a scumslip?

[Ironhead]

Then again...I don't know if that directly works, if SK is still alive, then SK kills Iron, while vezok (if scum) kills...no I think that still works?

Wait. What? If SK is still alive they must've killed Amrun right? If Amrun was the SK then the mafia didn't target a confirmed innocent or power role. Point is, tonight isn't going to be predictable either way.

Jeez Just stop protecting vezokpiraka. Obviously, mafia targeted PeregrineV last night and Amrun was killed by the SK. Tonight will be predictable, and if vezopiraka is still alive tomorrow he gets lynched.

[Kcdaspot]

.............

I want to confirm this myself...

empking: Does the hider truly die when he hides behind maf of sk?