[Mini 1205] Tough Guy Mafia - Game Over!

[bobsnox]

Vanilla claim is not necessarily scummy but it is the easiest thing to claim for scum.

[Rainbowdash]

Vanilla claim is not necessarily scummy but it is the easiest thing to claim for scum.

Its also the most common thing to claim for town. Why point it out like you did?

[LobsterCatapult]

hmmmmmmm deadline extention...

unvote
vote:rainbowdash.

vifam come back. now.

[Rainbowdash]

hmmmmmmm deadline extention...

unvote
vote:rainbowdash.

vifam come back. now.

[LobsterCatapult]

hmmmmmmm deadline extention...

unvote
vote:rainbowdash.

vifam come back. now.

[Wickedestjr]

hmmmmmmm deadline extention...

unvote
vote:rainbowdash.

vifam come back. now.

I'm not seeing the Rainbowdash case; I think he's town... and I really wanted to post a picture with a pony in it.

It is hoofing the "lynch all vanilla claims" line which is one of the biggest failed policies known to ponykind. In this situation it feels like more of just trying to put the final nail in a coffin, but the nail is made of glass and you are trying to hammer it in with an anvil.

Rainbowdash, there are stronger points against avasthearties and IIRC, there are more people that are interested in his lynch, and the fact that he isn't a town powerrole means, at worst, we are losing a vanilla townie. It doesn't make much sense for us to risk having another player claim when there are so many benefits of lynching avasthearties right now.

[Rainbowdash]

*glee*

So much pony.

Well played. Well played indeed.

If you could give me something to respond to it would be more awesome though. Also I probably have little to no access tomorrow and through most of Sunday.

I just really do not like most types of "lynch all X" cases, as vanilla is just one of those things that is hard to get a proper hoofhold on. Such scenarios do exist where a vanilla claim means its time to reevaluate where you are, and this one is giving me the twitches a little.

[bobsnox]

Wicked is correct.

And I pointed it out because it's just adding logs to the fire. Scummy play + vanilla claim = good lynch. Doesn't always nail scum but it's a good equation IMO.

[Amor]

mod can you include the lynch threshold in your vote counts?

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. I'll try to remember to include this from now on.

Vifam has also requested replacement.

[Wickedestjr]

So much pony.

AAAAAH!!!

If you could give me something to respond to it would be more awesome though.

I didn't really care if you responded or not. My point is that there are many other pros to lynching avasthearties right now aside from the lynching claimed VTs policy. The fact that avasthearties isn't a town powerrole just makes this lynch even better and we shouldn't have to risk outing any powerroles or narrowing down the pool of players which could be powerroles for the scum (especially not on day 1).

Vifam has also requested replacement.

[Rainbowdash]

If you could give me something to respond to it would be more awesome though.

I didn't really care if you responded or not. My point is that there are many other pros to lynching avasthearties right now aside from the lynching claimed VTs policy. The fact that avasthearties isn't a town powerrole just makes this lynch even better and we shouldn't have to risk outing any powerroles or narrowing down the pool of players which could be powerroles for the scum (especially not on day 1).

I was actually talking to LC who as far as I can tell is voting me for thinking Vifam is scum or to just setup a very well placed pony pic.

[LobsterCatapult]

If you could give me something to respond to it would be more awesome though.

I didn't really care if you responded or not. My point is that there are many other pros to lynching avasthearties right now aside from the lynching claimed VTs policy. The fact that avasthearties isn't a town powerrole just makes this lynch even better and we shouldn't have to risk outing any powerroles or narrowing down the pool of players which could be powerroles for the scum (especially not on day 1).

I was actually talking to LC who as far as I can tell is voting me for thinking Vifam is scum or to just setup a very well placed pony pic.

i have other reasons, (your reasons for thinking vifam is scum are sort of one of them) i shall post them tomorrow, weekends are bad for me.

there is no point in rushing to lynch avast or anyone right now.

[HezLucky]

I just finished a game (DEFCON 3.0) where I somehow managed to get every single one of my townreads AND scumreads wrong [except the one at the very very end]

I attacked too many people who were attacking me, and largely ignoredt he people that weren't.

This means I'm doing this shit wrong. I'm going to try again.

I am going to do a complete 180 on YankCane. Call him town. I fucking hate his ass. But we're calling him town for the purposes of this experiment.

Which means, until HH posts something that tells me otherwise, Wicked is not the place for my vote.

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I have NO FUCKING CLUE HOW TO SCUMHUNT. There I fucking said it. I'll figure this shit out later.

[HezLucky]

I'm not sure I'm completely wrong though.

Rainbow is playing the fucking mediator.

Vote: rainbowdash

[Rainbowdash]

I'm not sure I'm completely wrong though.

Rainbow is playing the fucking mediator.

Vote: rainbowdash

No you are still completely wrong. At least you are starting to turn around though.

Why is trying to break apart town reads a scum tell?

[Rainbowdash]

All scum in

Bob/Vifam/el simo/Avast/KKN, stunned if more than one out of that list.

Yank, Hez, HH, LC and CA are near for sure town, at MOST one scum.

Wicked and Tarin take wildcard spots. Want to put them town but can't quite justify it.

Guess who is ready to make another odd vote?

This pony.

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[HezLucky]

I'm not sure I'm completely wrong though.

Rainbow is playing the fucking mediator.

Vote: rainbowdash

No you are still completely wrong. At least you are starting to turn around though.

Why is trying to break apart town reads a scum tell?

Scum were trying to buddy me superhard in DEFCON. I think at most one attacked me at any point during the game,a nd that's before he realized my personality.

I'm going to be averse to buddying of any part. If I take the Yank/Hez to be town versus town, then it makes sense there is at least one scum who will try to look good from said fight somehow. That person looks like you.

[YankCane151]

Another thing to look at in Town vs. Town arguments is opportunistic bandwagoners, namely Vifam's spot.

Tbh Hez, I think we are just two stubborn players.

Where in the world is HH?

[Rainbowdash]

I'm going to be averse to buddying of any part. If I take the Yank/Hez to be town versus town, then it makes sense there is at least one scum who will try to look good from said fight somehow. That person looks like you.

It wouldn't be a good move though since it then requires two stubborn players to go find new targets, when it is hard to guage where they would end up moving to. The textbook mediation move, if you wish to call it such, would be something more along the lines of what bob did, where they call it town on town but make no attempt to really break it up, in hopes that they decide to more or less destroy themselves as scum is able to craft mid game mislynches. I will always attempt to break people who are fighting apart, to an extent regardless of my read on him since that is my personality, the game needs to be fun, and I will provide it through my personality, roleplaying if people choose to join in especially, and making sure that others do not create a disruptive environment. Mediator by nature, scumhunter by trade.

Also check out bobs first post of how he is going to scumhunt, after that read his iso. Discrepancies abound. I continue to be all wibbly over this lynch. Would like to see a dead Vifam more than anything else but that one obviously isn't going anywhere since no one wants to bus him.

[bobsnox]

Hez - if anyone is that person it would be me, not Rainbow.

I don't like this 180 Hez just pulled. But I don't see the scum motivation behind it.

Yank - are you more inclined or less inclined to lynch Hez now?

[YankCane151]

I think if I was more inclined, we'd be having another 5 page argument.

[tarsonisocelot]

Wicked has at least made some contribution now (I'll decide how much I like it during the night if I don't before).
el simo has not.
When you get back over the weekend could you please link me to where you have claimed and make some nice useful detailed posts.
UNVOTE: VOTE: el simo

[tarsonisocelot]

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[bobsnox]

tars is so scum. this statement is why:

Wicked has at least made some contribution now (I'll decide how much I like it during the night if I don't before).

[Rainbowdash]

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Not loving this one at all though.