@ thomith
well lets go back to the "beginning" of my suspicions of you...this isnt the first time ive brought up i believed you to be scum. i was just more involved with LDR and thomas or tsunamic. why you are only questioning it NOW seems rather odd when you've never questioned me claiming i thought you to be on the scummy side before. Especially going so far as to say that i showed no reasons? For example in post 416 i said you were one of my prime targets for the day. 520 i said it again. why do you only ask "why" now? you seemed to not question any reasoning's i had for you before. asking me what my reasons are are one thing, but to say i havent given any reasons at all?
then again i often show little confidence in my lists so i guess i can possibly understand you letting it go since <too lazy to check to confirm atm> i likely followed the finger pointing with reasons why you might NOT be. or perhaps its because you didnt feel threatened because it seemed far more likely that f-team then thomas then LDR then auckmid would get lynched than yourself. but whatever, on with my reasons...
1) the seeds of my suspicions were planted at ISO 28/29 with that terribly weak reasoning for believing thomas was innocent. the reasoning was weak and i dont believe someone in the dark about peoples roles, which every town is <save for certain special roles>, would be so confident in someones innocence with that. i mean you are basing it off of the fact that you've seen bad scum be a certain way...thing is people are different. not everyone is going to play the same role the same way, whether they are good or bad at it. to make it worse, ANYONE, scum or town, could not pay attention to their posts <which was your reasoning>. its called being disorganized/flaky, not a scum tell. not in my book anyway. i emana contradiction is one thing but your reasoning seems different that a simple contradiction.
however a mafia would know whether he was innocent or not thus he could take any reasoning he wants, say "lol he's town i believe him", and when he's lynched <which was, and even still IS likely> and his role is revealed to be a town role you can say "see, i knew he was town. you guys should have listened to me". and thus you gain pseudo town points for not jumping on the wagon of a town lynch
also remember that smart scum play town. no amount of being helpful or posting good info is truly enough to say person X isn't town. it doesn't make them NOT town, but it doesn't make them town...it makes them smart. everyone's goal should be to seem town. town needs to seem town so they aren't targeted and we don't have a mislynch. scum needs to act town so that no one targets them so that they can win. and its when they slip up that gives town the chance to pounce. you can believe someone is town or have a gut feeling...but acting town is not proof of town. its proof of a good player. but of course there is the opposite side of the coin as well...some "scum" may simply be a townie playing poorly. especially common in a newbie game i imagine. look at LDR. i was about as confident in her being scum as you can get on day 1...turns out she was just playing poorly. but a slip up is a slip up. if dont call people out on them then we will never hit a mafia. if someone slips up we have to at LEAST put pressure on them. if not then lynch them. letting them go not only is a good way to let scum get away but if people play badly and dont get punished for it, they wont learn and grow as players.
2) ISO 37 shows more bad reasoning for defending thomas who, while may not be fore sure scum, has sure done some scummy things. and don't deny it...the dude was nearly killed yesterday and is seemingly back on death row. you may not think he's scum per se, but you cant deny he's done some shady things. after all practically everyone has him on their list as pretty high and at most only 2 of those people are mafia <assuming thomas is innocent by some chance>. you say mafia wouldn't want a fake PR? why not? it clearly saved his life yesterday. not only that but this particular claim is easy to fake as others have stated. if he was going to die anyway...why NOT claim PR? worst case scenario is people dont buy it and they are killed anyway. best case scenario is that it buys you some time and produces a possible mislynch. there's others posts as well with you defending thomas for what seem like fairly meh reasons. so i'll mention they exist an go on to other points that dont involve poor defenses of players. speaking of which though, as i stated with LDR, never actually directly protect a player. say why argument X against them is bad as that can lead to finding scum. but directly defending a players is super iffy since, lets be honest, nobody on day 1 but mafia knows for a fact that person X is innocent or guilty. attacking an argument potentially shows that the person making it is using shaky reasoning to get a town lynched. defending the player him/herself either sets up the scenario i stated above <the "i cant be scum, i didnt advocate the lynch of that townie" argument> or promotes you being scum team. later on you did state that you were less sure of his innocents...but what has been done/said cannot be undone/unsaid.
3)ISO 64. While i don't deny elsa has been a bit shady and a couple things you've called her out on seem valid enough, this one just seems bad to me. there really is no "what scum would say in situation X" book like you and a lot of other players in various games think. there are things you should and shouldnt do, but there is no "a scum would say that". not really anyway. did it kind of sound like she was trying a bit hard there? yeah, a bit. but you have to remember that most of the time when a player dies, it IS a disaster...well for them and their side anyway, not for the opposing side.
Honestly i thought there was a bit more than that. seems as though either reading things out of context lessened the amount of things i saw as scummy or I was relying more on my gut than i thought.
