Cult Recruiters: How to spot them
I've analyzed some previous cult games I could find and see I could spot some "CR" tells which are common across the board. I've restricted myself to just D1 play.
Game: Succession Mafia
Modifers: Dueling cults
D1 ends at: Tue Sep 14, 2010 2:51 am
a) Erg0 - Quagmire
- Doesn't stay on the biggest wagon for any length of time
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 8#p2480318
- Votes Non-major wagon (Starts it infact)
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 1#p2482621
- Keeps talking about lack of time to say more
b) animorph - Flameaxe
- Afraid to get into arguments
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 9#p2480249
- Scumhunting seems useless for the most part
- Vote with little to no reasoning (Suspecting other of being the other CR?)
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 1#p2487341
Game: The Walking Dead
Modifiers: Mini-Theme
D1 ends at Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:01 pm
chesskid
- For someone who chooses a abrasive personality on purpose - the "jk" in the post is kinda bad (chess meta) -
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 1#p2796271
- Proper scumslip - Call someone out for something, not voting them and only voting later when someone else has done so.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 7#p2797617
- Chooses not to comment on Jack's speculation that there is a cult
Game: Of Gods and Men
Modifiers: Had a recruit D1+ Recruit was lynched D1
D1 ends at Jun 03, 2010 4:10 am
Faraday
- Starts the wagons on Iece and struck (Note that vote counts this game will be deceptive since D1 votes were transposed two positions). Exception to the early position on wagon rule but ortolan was his recruit.
Overall:
- Quantity of Posts x Quality of original thoughts\actual scumhunting = On the lower side. Tend to post less than usual - not to the extent where they would be called out on it though.
- Avoids stepping on people's toes
- Prefer starting or being early on a wagon and don't join in a late position. Also doesn't stay in the "Not Voting" category.
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Latest Votecount
ooba (8) - WeyounsLastClone, Candle Jack, nopointinactingup, Toogeloo, Andrius, Apokalyptika, vezokpiraka, Ghostwriter
Toogeloo (4) - Nikanor, Lady Lambdadelta, zMuffinMan, Friend
Andrius (4) - mastin2, Mr. Subliminal, inHimshallibe, Oversoul
vezokpiraka (2) - ooba, hiplop
nopointinactingup (1)- ToastyToast
WLC (1) - tanstalas
Not Voting (6) - FrozenMirror, Kast, marco1610, kondi2424
- Anyone beyond the first three votes on any wagon can be discounted as the CR.
-- Toogeloo, Andrius, Apokalyptika, vezokpiraka, Ghostwriter, Friend, Oversoul
-- Addn: Re-read Toog just to be sure because he pinged my scumdar while re-reading later. Wasn't entirely sure so used meta here.
Hypnotist's Mafia vs
DEFCON 3.0. The lack of another scum game (Esp. one where you can quote posts) hurts but looks like this is his town meta.
- Out of the not voting category
-- Frozenmirror has posted and there is no vote yet. - Not CR (Plus why the gambit as CR?)
-- Kast: After his "Sorry I missed this post" - he has made a fairly big post in another game of his. I don't see a CR not posting in this game especially when he can get called out on it for non-activity. - Not CR
-- macro hasn't posted anything beyond confirm. Kondi hasn't posted anything beyond confirm. Can't say for sure but I would have been more proactive as a mod replacing them if this was the CR slot. - Probably Not CR
Which leaves..
- MrSub - Decent amount of reads posted. I would have expected the hydra-heads to discuss posts\reads more before posting - certainly don't expect them to be post count leader. - Not a CR
- mastin - High activity level plus brings a CULT LEADER section to his first reads post - which I don't expect a CR to do. (Plus the "X of Y", choices stuff) - Not a CR
- inHimshalibe - First there is the miller claim. Secondly was on a late position in the early Andrius wagon. Plus lot of vote switching - Not A CR
- Candle Jack - Late position in Andrius wagon. Stuff like "ooba's probably not cult" + him saying it's better to concentrate on Mafia first is not something I would expect a CR to post. + Abrasiveness (not afraid to step on people's toes) - Not A CR
- nopointinactingup - Not sure if a CR would come out of the blocks with White=cult speculation. Re-read in context. Leaning No. (Addn: The vote on me is funny. Not a CR because no CR is going to vote a person who is trying to find out CR without giving reasoning; Makes him looks suspicious for no reason)
- Nikanor - Can't read in ISO because of some Role PM shenanigans. Will comment on re-read. Leaning No.
- zMuffinMan - Backup PR speculation. Plus PM shenanigans. Don't know - Not CR if PM stuff checks out.
- hiplop - Focuses entirely on Vezok's slip. Especially about white needing to rejoin the game later. Also PM shenanigans. No but not as confident about the ones above.
Addn: I'm taking Friend's+Nika's view on the above three.
- tanstalas - The Lafreeze claim gives me pause as I am not sure why he saw the need to claim. Votes are all starting votes but too much vote switching to fit CR pattern. Making the earlier SK a CR and giving him the lafreeze as a fakeclaim might be a diabolical mod touch but Abrasiveness + fakeclaim discussion looking genuine leads me to say Mostly Not a CR.
- Lady Lambdadelta - First thought a CR would never do a "goon" gambit but discounted that since it was autocorrect. Need to figure out if this Red-Blue stuff is a gambit - and whether how her scum meta reads. Maybe. But I personally wouldn't have done any stupid Red-Blue stuff as a CR since drawing attention to yourself is not something you want done as a CR.
Addn: I'm not sure what's up with the recent ooba defense?
- ToastyToast: He is annoyed with the voting on him. The part about the "You voting me over vezok or knodi" smacks as self-presevationist. The votes on Andrius and nopoint fit the CR voting pattern. I'm using meta to narrow this one down.
-- Meta: Town (
Defcon) vs Scum (
Open 291) - Looks like his town meta. - Not a CR (Also not scum)
- WeyounsLastClone: Starts the wagon on me. Very few posts but fits the profile of not saying much original. Only point is that his posts are on the lower side of what I'd have expected a CR to post.
-- Meta (Town -
Philosophy Mafia + one ongoing large in which he flipped +
Directional Mafia) vs (
Stratego Mafia)
Tough to make out much with 5 posts but:
- Votes for Gorrad in his scum game for Self voting and me for dice voting here (Also another ongoing but flipped - but doesn't vote a player who voted for No Lynch in the random stage as town)
- Also tends to get into genuine scumhunting early as town (i.e within first few posts)
Unvote. Vote: WLC
This is my best bet for a CR.
P.S I'll need to recheck & ISO\meta {Apokalyptika, vezokpiraka, Ghostwriter, Friend, Oversoul} just in case they are CRs that didn't exhibit the early wagon tell. But fairly confident on voting WLC for the lynch.
