Starcraft Mafia Mini 1210 (Over)

[Psyche]

Yeah, but gbevil's not here. We need to put pressure where pressure needs to be put.

[Morthas]

It's still pretty weak for a vote, just saying. The cases on Vifam and gbevil are much stronger.

Do me a favor and summarize them for me. I'll look it up later myself.

[Morthas]

Yeah, but gbevil's not here. We need to put pressure where pressure needs to be put.

Stop.... explaining....your.....intentions.....

[killerjester]

Do me a favor and summarize them for me. I'll look it up later myself.

> Vifam
He gave me the scummiest vibe. He was a little quick to jump on the town v town call, and never really gave any evidence towards his own behalf. In fact, he hasn't given us much basis for anything he's done. I also don't like his comments on the Morthas wagon, which seemed by and large an RVS kind of thing.

> gbevil
It was simply some small scum-vibes I got from the way he defended himself. I'm keeping the specific points to myself to see if he'll repeat them, but you can go read what he's said. It's all there.

[Morthas]

Do me a favor and summarize them for me. I'll look it up later myself.

> Vifam
He gave me the scummiest vibe. He was a little quick to jump on the town v town call, and never really gave any evidence towards his own behalf. In fact, he hasn't given us much basis for anything he's done. I also don't like his comments on the Morthas wagon, which seemed by and large an RVS kind of thing.

> gbevil
It was simply some small scum-vibes I got from the way he defended himself. I'm keeping the specific points to myself to see if he'll repeat them, but you can go read what he's said. It's all there.

So far, i prefer my rewq vote, as i said, ill investigate them myself.

[kiwieagle]

Wouldnt be suprised if Vifam flips scum, Morthas is the scumbuddy.

[Psyche]

Vifam isn't scummy, just lax. Don't vote on personality! Check his meta!!

[DeathNote]

Vote Count

(L-7)Kiwieagle-
(L-7)killerjester-
(L-7)HellloooNewman-
(L-7)gbevilchaos-
(L-5)Morthas- Espeonage, avasthearties
(L-6)Espeonage- kondi
(L-7)kondi2424-
(L-6)avasthearties- Vifam
(L-5)Vifam- Kiwi, killerjester
(L-3)rewq455- HellloooNewman, Stels, Morthas, Psyche
(L-7)Psyche-
(L-7)Stels-

With 12 alive, its 7 to lynch

~Prodded Kondi

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[rewq455]

Psyche- You are right, I went through the games I have posted and in these games I was not playing as I claimed I did. I remember people complaining about it in my past, I assumed it was on this forum, as this is where I have played most of my games. I have played in other locations, however I am not sure where they are, because I played on them because I browse forums and may sign up if I see a theme I like or for other similar reasons. Sorry for wasting you're time with the meta search.

[kiwieagle]

Stop with the meta guys :l

[Psyche]

Stop with the meta guys :l

He did it first!!

And your attack on Vifam is weak. Change your vote.

Psyche- You are right, I went through the games I have posted and in these games I was not playing as I claimed I did. I remember people complaining about it in my past, I assumed it was on this forum, as this is where I have played most of my games. I have played in other locations, however I am not sure where they are, because I played on them because I browse forums and may sign up if I see a theme I like or for other similar reasons. Sorry for wasting you're time with the meta search.

So...I'll just accept this untouchable position at face value and unvote.

...Or not.

Don't worry, you didn't waste my time with a meta search; you helped us find you! And that's all I could ever wish for.

Except for other people to post more...

[Vifam]

Hello, kind of busy with other games/IRL. Catch up later.

[Psyche]

Lol. That's so Vifam.

[kiwieagle]

Stop with the meta guys :l

He did it first!!

And your attack on Vifam is weak. Change your vote.

Psyche- You are right, I went through the games I have posted and in these games I was not playing as I claimed I did. I remember people complaining about it in my past, I assumed it was on this forum, as this is where I have played most of my games. I have played in other locations, however I am not sure where they are, because I played on them because I browse forums and may sign up if I see a theme I like or for other similar reasons. Sorry for wasting you're time with the meta search.

So...I'll just accept this untouchable position at face value and unvote.

...Or not.

Don't worry, you didn't waste my time with a meta search; you helped us find you! And that's all I could ever wish for.

Except for other people to post more...

Whats your attack?
Rewq has a bad memory?

[Vifam]

Lol. That's so Vifam.

Whoa.

You obviously know me or you're looking at my previous games.

[Psyche]

Stop with the meta guys :l

He did it first!!

And your attack on Vifam is weak. Change your vote.

Psyche- You are right, I went through the games I have posted and in these games I was not playing as I claimed I did. I remember people complaining about it in my past, I assumed it was on this forum, as this is where I have played most of my games. I have played in other locations, however I am not sure where they are, because I played on them because I browse forums and may sign up if I see a theme I like or for other similar reasons. Sorry for wasting you're time with the meta search.

So...I'll just accept this untouchable position at face value and unvote.

...Or not.

Don't worry, you didn't waste my time with a meta search; you helped us find you! And that's all I could ever wish for.

Except for other people to post more...

Whats your attack?
Rewq has a bad memory?

Sure. A bad memory.

Lol. That's so Vifam.

Whoa.

You obviously know me or you're looking at my previous games.

Latter.

[kiwieagle]

Stop with the meta guys :l

He did it first!!

And your attack on Vifam is weak. Change your vote.

Psyche- You are right, I went through the games I have posted and in these games I was not playing as I claimed I did. I remember people complaining about it in my past, I assumed it was on this forum, as this is where I have played most of my games. I have played in other locations, however I am not sure where they are, because I played on them because I browse forums and may sign up if I see a theme I like or for other similar reasons. Sorry for wasting you're time with the meta search.

So...I'll just accept this untouchable position at face value and unvote.

...Or not.

Don't worry, you didn't waste my time with a meta search; you helped us find you! And that's all I could ever wish for.

Except for other people to post more...

Whats your attack?
Rewq has a bad memory?

Sure. A bad memory.

Lol. That's so Vifam.

Whoa.

You obviously know me or you're looking at my previous games.

Latter.

According to you, your rewq case is better than qbevil and Vifam cases?

[Psyche]

gbevil case pwns. I'll jump back to it as soon as convenient. Vifam case sux.

[rewq455]

gbevil case pwns. I'll jump back to it as soon as convenient. Vifam case sux.

Why are you going after me if you have a stronger case on someone else?

[Psyche]

gbevil case pwns. I'll jump back to it as soon as convenient. Vifam case sux.

Why are you going after me if you have a stronger case on someone else?

Because you're here.

[Stels]

Hello, kind of busy with other games/IRL. Catch up later.

Lol. That's so Vifam.

Whoa.
You obviously know me or you're looking at my previous games.

Love the 3 minute gap between these two.

gbevil case pwns. I'll jump back to it as soon as convenient. Vifam case sux.

Maybe you could try expanding the case while you wait for him to get back here.

I still like my vote on rewq455.
You can still provide links to other sites that can "prove" your meta. But that's not what I'm voting you for.

[Psyche]

Sure.

Only scum is ubermad when wagoned.

Not sure if serious?

Unvote vote Acronach

Hasn't confirmed yet.

@Mod:

Replacement time?

This was where his vote previously was before he unvoted.

We agree that it was bad/scummy for the same reasons this vote was bad/scummy:

VOTE: Vote:Acronach for not even confirming yet.

It's a bs vote.

Why do you think spelling counts? Do you believe spelling has anything to do with justifying a vote? Why can't you make a serious vote when we're already on Page 2? Are you even playing to win?

Links to your most recent completed town game and scum game, if you have them. I would like to look at your meta.

Hard-headed you. What part of "I'm not gettin' less vague" don't you get?

Not asking for you to get less vague about experience. I'm asking for links to recent games to determine your meta. This isn't anything unusual. Your refusal to give it to me is. Something to hide?

I'll find them myself, but you just earned a massive scum read from me and I will be looking at them with a much more critical eye.

FOS Psyche

Here, I "just earned a massive scum read" from gbevil (and I'm a 'them'). Keep in mind his vote is still on Acronach. But despite earning a massive scumread, I just don't deserve his vote.

He goes on to say:

Apparently he's unwilling to volunteer any info about his meta what-so-ever, so I'll assume my default scum tells are accurate instead of trying to see if he does them as town...

Still no vote. My response:

Lol. I call BS! You assume your default scumtells are accurate, but you don't even vote for me? How can you expect me to take you seriously? You aren't really mad at me. U just frontin'.

unvote; vote gbevilchaos

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I haven't seen many scum tells off of you Psyche, so I didn't vote for you. I saw one in that post and wanted to know if you were serious or not towards the end. I wanted your meta for the future. I never said you were the scummiest player in the game. You are acting like dumbtown at the moment, so I'm going to look elsewhere

Can we hear from people who haven't posted in a while? This game is lurk-tastic at the moment.

Here he backs off fast. And says some pretty disingenuous things (and actionable). The most obvious of which:

"I haven't seen many scum tells off of you Psyche, so I didn't vote for you." "I never said you were the scummiest player in the game."
He did say I was the scummiest player in the game, by default. No one else had received a massive scumtell. I was "the scummiest player in the game".

"I saw one in that post and wanted to know if you were serious or not towards the end."
So this is ignoring the massive scumtell I already have.

"You are acting like dumbtown at the moment, so I'm going to look elsewhere."
Haha. Reminds me of Donny the tree ogre from Adventure Time <3

"Can we hear from people who haven't posted in a while? This game is lurk-tastic at the moment."
That's right. Change the subject.

Sigh. I do suppose posting with a pseudo-idiotic style does diminish my credibility to some degree.

I haven't seen many scum tells off of you Psyche, so I didn't vote for you. I saw one in that post and wanted to know if you were serious or not towards the end. I wanted your meta for the future. I never said you were the scummiest player in the game. You are acting like dumbtown at the moment, so I'm going to look elsewhere

Can we hear from people who haven't posted in a while? This game is lurk-tastic at the moment.

(A)

But you're still funny. You're backing off of me because I bit back. Let's compare your opinion of me and your opinion of the guy you're voting for currently.

Only scum is ubermad when wagoned.

Not sure if serious?

Unvote vote Acronach

Hasn't confirmed yet.

@Mod:

Replacement time?

(B)

Scum-hunting ftw. The strength of your case and passion in your words here are astounding!

I'll find them myself, but you just earned a massive scum read from me and I will be looking at them with a much more critical eye.

(C)

Now that I think of it, you're right. Clearly your Acronach vote is too strong and important to you for you to move it to someone who merely evoked "a massive scum read".

It'd be ridiculous to advert any incredibly valid observations like:

"It's suspicious that you seem to prefer a weak vote on someone whose not here to defend himself and avoid an apparently stronger vote on someone who questions your intentions."

or

"You really backpedaled fast when I countered you!"

That'd just be inaccurate. Nonetheless, I still have a strong feeling that you're scum. Not sure where it comes from, but

confirm vote: gbevilchaos

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(bold letters added myself)
His responses:

(A)

"I never built a case against you. The only scummy thing you've done is refuse to give info about prior experience or links to games to help establish your meta. That's a scum tell, but only a dumbtown would have dragged it out this long. You're town in my opinion."
Issues:
- This still ignores why he didn't vote for me BEFORE things got dragged out.
- This ignores the fact that there was a case being built against me. Otherwise, I wouldn't be able to quote him saying "

FoS Psyche

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(B)

"Random Voting Stage much? That vote was random. The main point of the post was to ask the mod to find a replacement..."
- this ignores the reason I quoted the vote: keeping a crappy vote instead of voting for someone with a "massive scumtell"
- the second and third statements are inconsistent; the vote was random...and then the vote had a point.
- the vote doesn't affect the mod's replacement finding in any way.
- the random vote was made after serious posts and votes were already made.

His continued commitment to the RVS was downright antitown.

(C)

"Once again, my vote on Acronach was random. To be honest, I didn't even know it was still there. I wanted an answer to my question before I voted you. You now scream VI, so I'm not voting you. Why would I vote for someone who I no longer think is scum?"
- This also ignores that he didn't vote for me when I had evoked a "massive scumtell", even though his vote was random and crappy; current states are irrelevant

It doesn't address any of my accusations. It ignores my argument and turns it into something easier to deal with. A red herring.

As I said before:

When you said that I "earned a massive scum read", it's clear that you were being disingenuous, because your vote did nothing to reflect such a passionate statement. Disingenuous = Dirty lying scum.

His responses and my comments:

It's a bit more than whatever your other vote was based on.

But not enough for a vote after RVS.

Is the Mod obliged to work harder to find replacements for players being voted for or something?

Mods often are more likely to replace or prod players sooner if they are asked about. I was asking for a status update on his replacement/prod, more or less.

The RVS ended on Page 2. Your random vote occurred well into the middle of the 3rd.

'

See Espe's vote above mine and get back to me. We were still in RVS.

I'm confused. Is it a random vote, or a vote with the purpose of getting a player prodded because only voting provokes the mod to give status updates on inactive players?

After RVS, I don't vote unless I aim to pressure or lynch. Pressure would be pointless at that stage, since no one else was voting for you or commenting on your behavior as scummy. It wasn't nearly enough for a lynch.

Now I'm a bit more confused. So you only sheep and wagon?

Why would I throw around a vote on little substance?

I don't know. Why did you throw around a vote on little substance?

My vote contained little reasoning or value because it was DURING THE RANDOM VOTING STAGE. This town vs. town argument is pointless and is done. I'll answer questions from any other player but you, or any of your questions that other players would like an answer to. We're just going back and forth saying "it was a bad vote" "it was RVS" "it was a bad vote" "it was RVS"

That sheep/wagon BS is the biggest misrep of all time. I never said that at all.

And Espe's vote was because it was the largest wagon...how is that not RVS? I guess a vote on someone because of their avatar is a serious vote in your opinion as well. How about a vote based on your username?

So is it a random vote, or a vote during the RVS?

I don't see how it's a big misrep. It's what you said. The quote's right there.

The RVS was already over when you voted. Serious votes were already made, and serious content was already produced. Espe's weakvote was late because he hadn't read the thread. What's your excuse?

Along with already noted, he misreps our discussion, performs the antitown act of ending it prematurely, and makes a sad excuse by comparing his vote to Espe's.

gbevil is scum. Change votes now, if you'd like.

unvote; vote gbevil

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[HellloooNewman]

Prod dodge.

Nothing that has been said has changed my mind about Rewq.

[rewq455]

Prod dodge.

Nothing that has been said has changed my mind about Rewq.

Please state your case on me. I asked you to quote what i am doing that is scummy. You answered with a witty remark instead. Answer the question.

[gbevilchaos]

I've already responded to all points in Psyche's case, so vote me if you find it convincing. I have nothing else to say. I have a feeling I'm getting lynched today anyway.