ConfidAnon wrote:Also - HH's wall feels like taking every post and interpretting it with WickedScum in mind - confirmation bias.
We merely accepted Wicked's challenge. When we said, we saw scum in every one of his posts...
...We really did mean, we saw scum, in every single one of his posts.
It's not confirmation bias. It's that Wicked really is that obvious scum.
Wicked wrote:I never doubted the miller claim. I had a slight reason to, but I ultimately wrote it off as a null tell. And when I said I ignored the claim that didn't mean I was ignoring the fact that he would show up as guilty if investigated but that I was ignoring it when trying to determine his allignment.
THIS IS NOT HOW A COP REACTS TO A MILLER CLAIM. A cop when faced with a Miller claim--while not necessarily instantly accepting it--will NEVER show instant doubt. Like you did. We've conclusively shown how you were hinting in your posts to doubting the claim. You denying that you doubted it is quite frankly blatant backtracking.
And so is this lame excuse about ignoring it. YOU ACTIVELY TRIED TO GET DISCUSSION ELSEWHERE. That goes BEYOND ignoring it. YOU SHUT DOWN THE DISCUSSION BEFORE IT COULD BEGIN. More than that, your replacement for the potentially-productive miller discussion?
Your RQs. WHICH YOU MADE NOTHING OF. YOU GOT NO READS FROM THE ANSWERS TO YOUR RQs. Mastin and Lat are both in full agreement about just how bad that is. Scum use the RQS as fluff to look better. Town use the RQS to scumhunt and nail scum from their answers. YOU PUSHED PEOPLE TO ANSWER SOMETHING WHICH YOU GOT NOTHING OUT OF.
This goes WAY beyond the level of ignoring. You. Flat-out. Didn't. Want. ANYONE. Talking. About. The. Miller. Claim.
There would obviously be scum on my bandwagon if I was town so the purpose of my question was to consider the case where I am scum.
WHAT PRO-TOWN PLAYER THINKS OF SCENARIOS WHERE THEY ARE SCUM?!? You were flat-out giving a scenario where you were scum, and saying "this wagon wouldn't all be town". BUT IF YOU WERE TOWN YOU WOULD KNOW YOU WEREN'T SCUM AND WOULDN'T HAVE TO ARGUE FOR A HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION WHERE YOU WERE. The ONLY reason to argue for a hypothetical you-are-scum scenario, is if you ARE scum.
Wicked wrote:You'll notice I say things like "I doubt" or "I don't really think". That's because I'm giving my opinion! I'm not telling everyone else to believe the same thing.
But you said "we" at the end. "we". Implying the whole town. WORD CHOICES ARE KEY. You subtly planted the idea in the head of the town, that "Miller Discussion-->bad". It was something most people probably didn't even consciously think about. But it's there. Word-choice is a bit of a specialty of Mastin. He's a WRITER. (And a Poet.) He knows what words manipulate the human mind. He recognizes speech patterns which give an impact on others, he knows what words manipulate the crowds. He was VERY adament in the Quicktopic to just how scummy your redirection was. You actively forced discussion off of the Miller claim.
Not only by stating that you didn't think it was necessary.
But also by pushing something else onto other people's minds.
The one-two combination punch left the miller claim almost completely gone in the eyes of others, as they were forced to focus on your RQs which came out to absolutely nothing.
I was planning to look back at the answers later to look for inconsistencies and get a better idea of their allignment. By explaining this, I'm kind of defeating the purpose but I asked the questions to see if they were scumhunting the way they said they would and if they seemed interested in the game or not (this would be a slight indicator that their allignment was the allignment they said that they prefer to play as). I wasn't planning to look back at this until around day 3, but now I only have the information from the first day to use.
THIS. IS. B.S! The information's there. In front of you. It's on a phase of the game long-since past. There's nothing to gain by WAITING on doing this information. There's nothing to gain by delaying a look.
As town, you'd have been doing this the whole time. Mental note or a written note, some reminder of this. You'd be keeping the answers in your mind and trying to get information out of them, actively. You'd have them in your head the whole time.
Remember the link we gave at the end of our wall? It links to a game where a pro-town player uses the RQs he posed to help nail the entire scumteam. Looking at his ISO, you can see that he pressured people based off of their answers to get them elaborating, and got key information from responses.
THAT is how town does the RQS.
Scum, on the other hand, leave it be. They learn nothing from the RQS. They might later bring it up. But they'd do so only later, as part of a grander case against someone--which fits perfectly with your "day three or so" view. YOU'RE LITERALLY DOING THE THING SCUM ARE MOST LIKELY TO DO!
Additionally, this also reveals to us that you're fakeclaiming cop. Because as a cop, you'd 1: be less likely to live to see Day Three (SIGNIFICANTLY less likely--Hoopla once did a calculation, and the odds came out to below 25% in a Mini, if Mastin's memory on this subject is correct) and therefore be unlikely to ever come to the light of day, AND 2: It reveals that Wicked would have no cop results, because if Wicked had cop information, he'd obviously not be in need of the RQs. He'd have gained outside information which trumped all inside information gained. His failure to realize this means that he wasn't looking at things from the viewpoint of a cop,
BUT THE VIEWPOINT OF SCUM.
Wicked wrote:I don't like the Rainbowdash bandwagon and we shouldn't lynch Vifam because he's not going to be around to claim.
Oh, look. Wicked's defending his scumbuddies!
Rainbow wrote:I am a vig, which is why I was happy with a blind Vifam lynch after the cop claim since if both were real there is at most one other town power out there.
Alright. We can see a cop in the game. We can see a vig in the game. BUT NOT BOTH AT THE SAME TIME. Vigs and cops are redundant. If this was a weakened vig (limited shot, not shooting every night), I can see it. BUT A FULL VIG AND A COP SERVE THE SAME PURPOSE IN A GAME.
This confirms one of Wicked/Rainbow as scum.
Unvote, Vote: Vifam
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But for the record, neither one of us likes this nearly as much as Wicked.
Sorry.
