New York 134: Planet of Hats (Scum Win!)

[DrippingGoofball]

If you PROMISE me Pali & NS's heads on shiny silver platters after Fourseen, fine.

On a silver platter indeed. They're going to be no-brainers.

[xRECKONERx]

K, everyone's next posts contain votes for Fourseen or it's a scum claim, thanks

[VinegarEater]

Bvoigt -
Not going to argue balance with you; you have more experience than I.

We're proceeding with the plan and we're probably going to get at least one, if not two or three scum out of the deal.

[Nobody Special]

Okay, that works.

Vote: Fourseen

[Wraith]

Votecount 5.1

FourseenCircumstance

(4)

:

DrippingGoofball, VinegarEater, xRECKONERx, NobodySpecial

Palisade

(1)

:

VinegarEater

,

xRECKONERx

, PeregrineV

VinegarEater

(1)

:

Palisade

PeregrineV

(1)

:

bvoigt

NobodySpecial

(0)

:

xRECKONERx

Not Voting

(5)

:

Taro, FourseenCircumstances, chkballin, Celebloki, Parabollocks

With 12 alive it takes

7

to lynch.

Deadline is

August 13, 2011

FourseenCircumstance is being prodded. If he does not respond in 24 hours he will be replaced out and blacklisted. I'm done playing these games with people.

EDIT: Some investigation reveals that FC is LA until the 4th. THis is starting to piss me off. IF YOU HAVE A V/LA DURING A NIGHT PHASE FUCKING PM ME

[Celebloki]

Sounds like a plan, I had no attachment to swag/PBuG/Fourseen. I'll support Palisade tomorrow as well, everyone should recall that I wasn't fond of his claim.

Vote: FourseenCircumstances

[chkballin]

I am waiting on Palisade's case on VinegarEater, btw can someone explain why we are lynching Fourseen? I mean I've been reading, but I see mostly Goof bring up some "slips" which I think aren't confirmed until the flip anyway, before then it's just speculation or just bad play on their part. I mean is it really grounds to lynch? not to mention the fact that I do not want another L-1 claim because it's getting ridiculous. I just see everyone jumping on the plan because Goof said to...

I have no problem hammering when time comes but I'd like to know why it's Fourseen over Palisade. Is there some overall plan I am missing?

[VinegarEater]

Describe what you think Goofball's slips mean. Maybe you're misunderstanding them.

[DrippingGoofball]

btw can someone explain why we are lynching Fourseen?

It's difficult because there were 3 people in that particular player slot, but look at the relationships with the dead scum, and Fourseen.

Then do the reverse. They're practically giving it away.

**IMPORTANT NEWS**

I'm going to travel from Aug 6-21. I might have just one or two days where I have internet access. There will be gaps, but I will be there, and I will show up. Please be patient and don't replace me.

[xRECKONERx]

Just proxy your vote to me while you're gone

[DrippingGoofball]

I might do that, but maybe I'll lock in a Palisade vote for tomorrow morning.

Let's lynch Fourseen pronto.

Then we can go to night while I'm on vacation!

[bvoigt]

All right, my Peregrine vote isn't going anywhere.

VOTE: Fourseen

[Wraith]

FourseenCircumstance

stands at

L-1

[Palisade]

WHY VINEGAR IS SCUM:

1: Meta. Jily has multiple times in her career admitted to liking to play mafia more than town. Across the whole site, she decides to flake out of all her games, except for this one. This fits with her being scum.

2: Timing of the claim. Why wait until day two to claim?

3: Overpowered. A PGO in this game is just too strong.

4: Connections. Search for Any variant of SleepyKrew. Can you find any matches? I found maybe one--responding to a question asked by SleepyKrew. Other than that, nothing.

How about Auckmed or Zebronic? Anything there?

...Nope, it's not there, either.

Okay, how about JDGA?

...No?


...Yeah.

No mention of any three of our scum flips from her.


5: But let's look at it the other way, too.

Jily, on the other hand, is just digging herself a hole. I'm actually pretty happy with voting her right now, so without further ado: VOTE: jilynne1991

This is it. His main reason to vote for Jily. Parking it on there for so long looks to be an attempt at distancing--JDGA had stronger scum-reads to pursue, with more support, yet kept his vote on her dead wagon--why?

jilynne, however, still has these same contradictions surrounding her that she since she tried to explain away her vote on DK, and I really don't like them. IMO, thinking that L-7 is pressure doesn't really seem to make sense to me, and her constant flipflopping of attitudes towards DK in particular just reeks of scum. My vote stays.

Again, this looks like obvious bussing.

But anyways, regarding the game itself, Taro feels to me sorta like he made a legit mistake, and the amount of pressure san and Thor (there are others) are putting on him seems a little extreme. DK seems to be trying to co-operate, so I say that we should at least give him a chance now. The scum ratio numbers, however, do seem awfully suspicious from him. Swag still hasn't said anything else since that "oh sorry I'll unvote if you want" post, which is frustrating and makes me want to vote him. So I'll give an FoS to both DK and Swag.

Keeps his vote on Jily, despite having other stronger suspects. Again, this is a classic sign of bussing.

So although I do still think that jily reeks of scum, I can see that there's no point in leaving my vote on her if nothing's going to happen. So, UNVOTE: jilynne1991.
But looking through Towie's and glowball's posts, especially the quoted one above, I can see awfully clearly why the latter appears scummy. Therefore, VOTE: glowball.

Finds an excuse to get off of jily. It reads as a way to get off of a buddy.

And that's the last mention of Jily.
Jily disappears from JDGA's suspects permanently once he switches. No lingering doubt. This leaves the obvious impression that JDGA didn't want more attention on Jily.

SleepyKrew displays a similar trend. ISO's 0, 1, 2, and 4 all have Jily in them...and then, WormyKrew's next mention of Jily is in ISO 40. As if WormyKrew had 'forgotten' about Jily conveniently.

Sensing the pattern?

And note, no vote. Helps jily along in ISO 41, as well. SleepyKrew weakly supports her wagon, but doesn't get on it. (ISO 44.)

ISO 57 contains a blatant Jily defense as well.

And then, Jily's name disappears. For the rest of the game.
Again.


See the pattern?

And it doesn't stop there.

Reck and thor are obv-town
Jilynne is town
I can't read sleepykrew for shit, so I'm going to trust reck's read (which he seems rather confident about).
Taro is town
Chkballin' is likely town
Peregrine, KoC, Parabollocks, and JGDA need to die
I believe Palisade's vig claim
Cele is probably town

Note that the "likely-town" are all considered, well, pretty much town right now. But the "is town" names are out of place.

I think it is possible Jilly COULD be lieing when she claimed PGO, and is useing it as a coverup so that no one will investigate. I saw a game 1 time when a Goon claimed that role, and because everyone was too scared to investigate, the Mafia won.

And this again looks like weak bussing--no vote from Auckmid. No further addressing of this. Seems like he knows too much about the subject, like he knows it's fake already.

6: And if that wasn't enough, let's do some VCA!

DeityKabuto (4): xRECKONERx, Tomie Uzumaki, Parabollocks, Thor665, Swag136, Knight of Cydonia, jilynne1991

Jily bandwagonning.

DeityKabuto (2): PBuG, jilynne1991

Keeps her vote on a dead, stale wagon.

Knight of Cydonia (5): Thor665, PBuG, Palisade, PBuG, SleepyKrew, jilynne1991

More blatant bandwagoning.

SleepyKrew (8): NobodySpecial, bvoigt, xRECKONERx, Thor665, PeregrineV, Celebloki, Auckmid, Parabollocks

Jily seems to love wagoning the town lynches. See Deity and KoC. Yet is surprisingly absent from the scum lynch of SleepyKrew. Coincidence? I think not.

7: And finally, we can get to Vinegar's play. (This is quite extensive, so we'll be posting this part of our case separately. Vinegar's done more scumminess in ten pages than Jily did for the entire game.)

8: But to finish it up, there's Night Actions--
Yesterday, we said we were going to shoot one of {Vinegar, Taro, Parabollocks}. If Vinegar was really a PGO, had we shot Vinegar, it'd have not only taken out the PGO, but ALSO the vig, a 2-for-0 trade for the scum. They couldn't ask for a better deal.

The fact that we were blocked suggests they didn't want us to shoot Vinegar. And therefore, that Vinegar's claim is fabricated.

[xRECKONERx]

=================[]

[PeregrineV]

=================[]

Will you listen to the man/men/or women/multi-headed mythical beast?

He/They/They/It is presenting a case.

[VinegarEater]

Ah. The problem with your case is that you have to think I'm scum for it to make sense. Otherwise, your many points about Jily not receiving attention could apply to any lurker at all, the distancing you see looks like a hamhanded abuse of associative tells, and your context-free vote analysis looks like - well, it looks like context-free vote analysis! Most of your arguments apply because Jily was a VI, not because Jily was scum.

8 is really funny, because it implies that the scum know I'm the PGO, know you're the vig, knew you were targeting me, and knew they had no good reason to roleblock you, and, since they roleblocked you anyways, I'm scum which means I roleblocked you, and I'm not the PGO, therefore I'm doing exactly what I should be doing, the cunning manipulator I am. Holy shit that's a lot of assumptions.

You know what does make sense? You're an SK, you're bitter about getting roleblocked every night, you believe my PGO claim, and you want to get me lynched because you can't nightkill me. That's the only explanation I can think of for that final "reason" slipping in there unrequited.

Finally - what the fuck makes you think PGO is a strong town role? Scum know I'm town and that I'm not lying, but town don't, so I'm just a sink for stupid PRs. The mere existence of this role is a major detriment to town.

Looking forward to segment 7. And yes, ====[].

[PeregrineV]

@Palisade- If you've been RBed last 2 nights, who do you think is RBing you?

4.

FourseenCircumstance

PBuG* Swag136**

- being prodded again
5. DrippingGoofball

Mist7676

6. VinegarEater

jilynne1991**

- claim town PGO
7. bvoigt
8.

Palisade- claim town vig, town as per claimed town cop

13. Taro
15.

NobodySpecial - claim town cop

17.

xRECKONERx- town as per claimed town cop

18.

OPEN

Parabollocks**

19. chkballin - claim town backup Roleblocker
20.

Celebloki- town as per claimed town cop

Assuming NS is real, and his reads real (for now) and no investigation immune stuff, and none of the absent players, who do you think might be roleblocking you? Do you think it's town or scum?

DrippingGoofball
VinegarEater- claim town PGO
bvoigt
Taro
chlballin- claim town backup Roleblocker

[Nobody Special]

This assumes that the 'absent' (non-posting) players did not submit a night action. A probable assumption, but an assumption all the same.

[DrippingGoofball]

DrippingGoofball - vanilla
VinegarEater- claim town PGO

bvoigt
Taro

chlballin- claim town backup Roleblocker

[PeregrineV]

This assumes that the 'absent' (non-posting) players did not submit a night action. A probable assumption, but an assumption all the same.

Yes. The consistency in RBing Palisade 2 nights in a row indicates to me someone that is keeping up with the game, not a missing person going "might as well send in an action!"

[PeregrineV]

DrippingGoofball - vanilla
VinegarEater- claim town PGO

bvoigt
Taro

chlballin- claim town backup Roleblocker

Why them?

[DrippingGoofball]

POE

[Celebloki]

Of those two I would wager that Taro is more likely to be the RBer. He lurks but is present enough and Palisade has mentioned on a couple occasions that he may vig Taro at night.

[DrippingGoofball]

good catch