Newbie 1138 - Game Over! Town Win!

[Bricktoes]

Here's a question: if you were scum, how confident would you feel right now?

I guess that question would depend on who my teammate was.

speculate.

[Bricktoes]

I'm going to assume you put Wickedstjr at the top because of the fact that

he could be waiting for us to lynch each other

, and is not really missing in action. Am I correct? I'm asking because I've had the same rising suspicion. I don't think it's paranoia.

Inactives aren't helping anyone. If anything, they only cause harm.
And yes, the fact he didn't respond at all for such a long while makes me wonder whatever he assumes he won't be lynched even if he lurks. Scum or not, I don't like this kind of play. That and what I said before about him not being killed. Yeah, the weak reason.

what's the difference between being inactive and posting only to say what a bad job you're doing and how good you were in some other alleged game.

[whilst]

As far as I'm concerned, the only thing holding this Day back from proceeding is the fact that Wickedestjr needs to share his input. I'm prepared to lynch either I Am Innocent or DarkClaymore, preferably in that order. I Am Innocent is being outrageously scummy, whereas DarkClaymore is being outrageously scummy but has the excuse of being a newb. I'd also prefer to kill the brains of the operation rather than the lackey, so that the subsequent mafia actions won't be quite as well-planned.

Your viewpoint could change when Wickedestjr joins in for (at least) a few pages of conversation. Don't convince yourself of only suspecting I Am Innocent and DarkClaymore.

Also, we shouldn't lynch anyone until

at least

next week (real time). That should help make up for the lack of Day 1 progress.

[Bricktoes]

at this point, based on how discussion has gone so far, does everybody think i'm town? if you have any criticisms, please lay them out.

should we also start lists of who we think are town so we can see who people are neutral on and better compare notes? don't necessarily do it yet, i'm just asking.

[Honest Abel]

Your viewpoint could change when Wickedestjr joins in for (at least) a few pages of conversation. Don't convince yourself of only suspecting I Am Innocent and DarkClaymore.

Hey, that was my point.

Also, we shouldn't lynch anyone until

at least

next week (real time). That should help make up for the lack of Day 1 progress.

Then again, I think at a certain point, things begin to regress. I'd say we were nearing the pinnacle of a good time to lynch if not for Wickedestjr.

[whilst]

Your viewpoint could change when Wickedestjr joins in for (at least) a few pages of conversation. Don't convince yourself of only suspecting I Am Innocent and DarkClaymore.

Hey, that was my point.

Well you stole my post about how Wickedestjr only posted 5x. We're even.

Also, we shouldn't lynch anyone until

at least

next week (real time). That should help make up for the lack of Day 1 progress.

Then again, I think at a certain point, things begin to regress. I'd say we were nearing the pinnacle of a good time to lynch if not for Wickedestjr.

No we're not. Not everyone here is as convinced as your are on I Am Innocent nor DarkClaymore. The same goes for cavjj.
Ok, fine, you said "nearing". -- perhaps.

at this point, based on how discussion has gone so far, does everybody think i'm town? if you have any criticisms, please lay them out.

You're actually third on my scum list. Now, do you think I'm town?

[Honest Abel]

I Am Innocent: thoughts on DarkClaymore ASAP.

Started the Day as my #2 suspect, currently #3 based on your acting more scummy.

That's it? No reasons why he's scummy and why I'm scummier than him?

[singersigner]

Vote Count 2.2

cavjj (2): DarkClaymore, whilst
DarkClaymore (1): dicknose
Honest Abel (0):
whilst (0):
dicknose (0):
I Am Innocent (0):
Wickedestjr (0):

Not Voting (4): cavjj, Honest Abel, I Am Innocent, Wickedestjr

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Mod Notes:

• Deadline is August 22nd, 2011 12am PST.
  
• Love the activity! No one needs to be prodded! : )

[Bricktoes]

You're actually third on my scum list. Now, do you think I'm town?

why is that? come at me, bro.

[Honest Abel]

I think it would actually be beneficial later on if people gave reads on

all

the players in the game with a little blurb about them. I will definitely be doing this for posterity once I can get an idea of Wickedestjr.

[Honest Abel]

Okay, this is what I promised earlier: let's take a look at the reasons, or lack of reason, DarkClaymore gives for voting what he's voted.

Vote on BBmolla

Honestly, I just want D1 to end and hopefully N1 will give us more info to work with. So I'll just join the wagon. Also, when people tend to see two players arguing, they often say "Nah. It's probably two townies gunning at each other". But I have seen cases in which it was proven false. While not too much of a solid reason, at least it still is a reason.

VOTE: BBmolla

Summary: He wants D1 to end, and

sometimes

"two townies gunning at each other" turns out to be false. Self-evidently poor reasoning. He also admits it's a bad reason, which makes it weird that he later says he always gives good reasons for his votes.

Vote on Wickedestjr

So the IC wasn't killed. Wine or scum?

Maybe now we should ask "Who would you have killed during the night?".
I still would have chosen the IC. Based on the given answers here to the similar question before, I doubt the mafia would have attempted to use the same logic I used when answering the question (which was: trying to frame the IC by not killing him). Simply because it looked like I'd be the only one who'd think in this direction. And I doubt they have any reason to mislead a sole individual from the town who others find suspicious anyway.

Hence, since you weren't killed even though you should have been:
VOTE: Wickedestjr

Summary: He uses his own fluff logic about the IC surviving to point a finger at the IC, despite the fact that the IC hasn't even been participating. Not to mention the fact that his original response to the N0 question was that "killing the IC is wrong."

Vote on Honest Abel

VOTE: Honest Abel

For insulting

Summary: Random-voting style vote on D2? Weird. Also an OMGUS vote because it was merely retaliatory in nature.

Vote on cavjj

I guess I'll go with
VOTE: cavjj

It's true that the whole hammering thing makes him an obvious target, something scum shouldn't do, but he tried to defend himself in very awkward ways. This make it impossible for me to ignore the possibility he planned to use all these excuses from the beginning in order to clear himself latter on

Yeah,weak but I don't think anyone here got anything solid anyway

Summary: He says that cavjj's excuses seem planned, but criticizes how awkward they are in the same sentence. Contradictory, not good reasoning. He again admits that it's weak reasoning, yet somehow tells me later that he's had good reasons to vote for people.

[Bricktoes]

Vote: Wickedjstr

.

[whilst]

You're actually third on my scum list. Now, do you think I'm town?

why is that? come at me, bro.

I was 1% hoping you'd say something else, or someone else would say "omg whilst is scum because he said this", but no one did. The statement was pure BS, but really--no one else has called you out, I think you can safely answer your own question.

Okay, this is what I promised earlier: let's take a look at the reasons, or lack of reason, DarkClaymore gives for voting what he's voted.

Vote on BBmolla

Honestly, I just want D1 to end and hopefully N1 will give us more info to work with. So I'll just join the wagon. Also, when people tend to see two players arguing, they often say "Nah. It's probably two townies gunning at each other". But I have seen cases in which it was proven false. While not too much of a solid reason, at least it still is a reason.

VOTE: BBmolla

Summary: He wants D1 to end, and

sometimes

"two townies gunning at each other" turns out to be false. Self-evidently poor reasoning. He also admits it's a bad reason, which makes it weird that he later says he always gives good reasons for his votes.

This was early on in the game, and basically in the RVS stage. That behavior means nothing -- didn't he vote for you initially during RVS? Anyway, I have already pointed out that he wanted Day 1 to end (he said it twice. Here is my post where I pointed it out: #148) and have used it as my reasoning for his scumminess. Any other suspicion I have of him is from your conversation with him where (yeah, I agree) his responses have been on the weak side.

The other points at which he votes for people to lynch are interesting to note, but none of the votes have "meant" anything, except for the vote on cavjj (as I have the second vote against cavjj). Do you get what I'm saying? The vote on wickedestjr didn't amount to anything, nor did the vote on you. It's just a pattern, imo -- his play style probably. I don't think it's anything to lynch him on. Or am I missing the point? Clarify if I am.

[whilst]

singersigner

Vote: Wickedjstr

.

Yeah, really.

Mod

, please replace him if he doesn't post by tomorrow noon. Pick any timezone you want.

Or warn him, or something.

Unless, again, it's part of his strategy.

Wickedjstr

If it is part of your strategy,

Wickedjstr

, give up. We will delay the game until August 22nd and ask for an extension unless you post your thoughts and contribute.

[Bricktoes]

Oh, is this guy's name Wickedest, Jr.? I kept rreading Wicked Jester.

[DarkClaymore]

Abel, I never really said my reasons are good IMO. But neither are anybody else's reasons for me. Give me one vote with a good reason. I'd like to see it.

[singersigner]

singersigner

Vote: Wickedjstr

.

Yeah, really.

Mod

, please replace him if he doesn't post by tomorrow noon. Pick any timezone you want.

Or warn him, or something.

While he was not in prod range/worthy of a prod, he has requested replacement. Currently searching for one now.
~singer

[singersigner]

Currently searching for one now.

NobodySpecial replaces Wickedestjr! Please welcome him with warm arms!

[Nobody Special]

Hi.

Reading now, probably won't have anything of value till tomorrow.

[Honest Abel]

Oh god, this guy.

Hey NS.

[whilst]

NobodySpecial replaces Wickedestjr! Please welcome him with warm arms!

Sure.

[cavjj]

NobodySpecial replaces Wickedestjr! Please welcome him with warm arms!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENKXfxGieGw

[Bricktoes]

Vote: NobodySpecial.

I hope you don't not post.

[Bricktoes]

I was 1% hoping you'd say something else, or someone else would say "omg whilst is scum because he said this", but no one did. The statement was pure BS, but really--no one else has called you out, I think you can safely answer your own question.

if you're fishing for reactions, you should probably go with it for more than one post.

[Honest Abel]

I'm going to do a quick ranking of players. Toward the top is more town, toward the bottom is more scum. Above the first line is town, between the two lines is neutral, and below the second line is scum. I'll also give blurbs later. Nobody special is obviously riding on Wickedestjr's laurels there, as neutral as they are.

dicknose
whilst
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Nobody Special
cavjj
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DarkClaymore
I Am Innocent

I can picture scumteam of either I Am Innocent & DarkClaymore or I Am Innocent & cavjj. On their own, though, DarkClaymore has been scummy and cavjj has seemed genuinely newbtown but should still be held with some suspicion for his actions.