Open 322: C9++ [Game Over - Scum Win]

[Darkcoffeejazz]

VOTE: DarkCoffeeJazz

KCDA, you aren't as good as you claim to be. If you can't even see every possibility.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

EBWOP: And I was rubbing it in your face, btw. But since I'm sick of you and Empty Slot, I'm done with this game.

[Kcdaspot]

I will see you banned if you are cop.

That is the worst thing ever. Not even pro anti-town.

Lynch confirmed.

[Kcdaspot]

EBWOP: And I was rubbing it in your face, btw. But since I'm sick of you and Empty Slot, I'm done with this game.

sick of me?

SICK OF ME?

Now you're scumplaining.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Well it's this or I replace out.
Besides if it helps town to get the scum who lynched the cop out of the picture... just saying.

[Kcdaspot]

Well it's this or I replace out.
Besides if it helps town to get the scum who lynched the cop out of the picture... just saying.

scum claim.

[Kcdaspot]

srsly if you are town you'd have NO problem proving it.

you haven't... Die.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

My death shall prove both that I was cop and that you are scum.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Also how else am I supposed to establish a meta when assholes like you always try to lynch me for who I am.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Did I mention that I had a bad day today?

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Let's face it KC. Your reads are all over the place with no rhyme nor reason. You have absolutely no reason to vote me.
And after I claimed Cop you become deadset on lynching me.

There is no way you are pro-town.

[Kcdaspot]

It's not THAT you claimed, it's when.

There is no way you are pro-town.

Now THAT is funny.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Maybe I should be more fair to the town. I mean this isn't my first time lynching myself but hey, this would just piss off everyone else who isn't mafia.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

UNVOTE:

@MOD: I would consider finding yourself a replacement for this game. Because quite frankly I'm tired of the abuse, first from Nobody_Special, then Abel, then KCDA.

Worst. Game. Ever.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Oh and fuck off, KC. You have no idea how to play this game if you really are town.

[Kcdaspot]

Oh and fuck off, KC. You have no idea how to play this game if you really are town.

... he says with 2 town losses.

[GMan]

Vote Count 2.5

• Darkcoffeejazz (3): Nobody Special, Kcdaspot, don_johnson
  [L-2]
  
  
• Honest Abel (1): Amor
  
• Nobody Special (1): don_johnson, Honest Abel

Not voting: SGRaaize, izakthegoomba, projectmatt

With

9

alive, it takes

5

to lynch.

• If requesting replacement, please make a decision either way. I don't want to advertise for a spot that might not be needed.
  
  
• Day 2 Deadline is Thursday August 25th, 1:30PM EST.

[izakthegoomba]

Well, that was an interesting exchange to wake up to.

Although I tend to loath people who shout so much, Kcdaspot's recent posts don't give me any scummy vibes.

DCJ's cop claim just isn't credible. I agree with Kcda, why would anyone make that choice? I fully believe that this is scum, picking a fakeclaim early and breadcrumbing it to make it more credible, and then choosing the two results which are most easily faked.

Consider my vote to be theoretically on the DCJ wagon. I WILL vote for him unless the rest of my reading yields something massive.

[Honest Abel]

Oh my goodness. Quickly read over. I have to digest that before I vote. I also might want to read another Kcd game now because is this really his play style? lol.

It seemed pretty obvious to me that DCJ posted very little of value the entire game. When I called him out for not giving any reasons for his vote, he and Kcd sort of teamed up to make me look stupid. The Kcd defense in general was confusing. I assumed Kcd was cop or mason with DCJ. Those are the only two ways you can know someone is town in this setup, right? Except for the sanity issue. But if Kcd is going back on his unexplained town read, DCJ seems like just as good or better a choice than NS, for almost all of the same reasons.

But I'm still wary of Kcd. The way he's been successfully leading the game around could be dangerous. izak, what do you think of that? Am I overthinking Kcd?

[Honest Abel]

Why would somebody claim at L-2 anyway?

[Honest Abel]

Kcd, your #603 is well and good, but why #599? What is with the begging and flattery to get people to join your bandwagons every time? If I had a strong scum read, I suppose I would try to get people to join a bandwagon, too, but you do it in awfully roundabout ways.

Also, I'm not confident about the don_johnson vote on DCJ. Looks like he was the first to realize DCJ was going down in flames and wanted to get on the wagon as soon as possible with saying as little as possible. I don't think don_johnson is obvious town at all. Kcd, why did you think don_johnson was "conf town"? (P.S., what does that mean?) Then again, I guess if DCJ is lynched and turns out to be the cop, don_johnson will be cleared.

I think things need to cool down a bit before deciding on a lynch.

[Honest Abel]

I just briefly looked at two Kcd games, one where he was town and another where he was mafia (Newbie 1036 and Open 309). To me, this game looks more like his town play, except I can't find any good examples of him getting as worked up as he's gotten here in either. But he seemed a lot calmer in his scum game and more likely to post long paragraphs, whereas the town game has him posting like he does here, with posts full of short statements. Right now I'm thinking Kcd is town. He's been against a lot of actually scummy people even though he's sometimes reluctant to give his own explanations, but I think he's more about the pressure than the logic. #603 seemed like a legit review of DCJ. I'm going with it.

VOTE: Darkcoffeejazz

[Amor]

Did I imply that town wouldn't assume there'd be three scum? I said almost no player would assume there'd be three scum without calculating the statistics beforehand, which I don't think anyone did.

But those statements mean the same thing. If no player would assume it, then the only players who would automatically know it would be the scum in question. You're splitting imaginary hairs again.

It doesn't even look like Kcd did it beforehand, which makes his assumption stand out. Basically, nobody agreed with him until he whipped out the calculator to show people. But that's supporting his statement after the fact. There's also Muffin's point here:

Actually there are a few ways you could know it without being scum. But I wouldn't read too deeply into that being anything more than an assumption.

Basically, I can't tell whether Kcd slipped because he's scum or a special role, or whether it was just a mistake. I don't think anybody can, unless there's something I'm missing. It's weird, but it's not something I would decide his alignment on. NS attacking it despite the fact that it's not really consequential is scummy.

You're trying to play "find the middle ground" here when there's no middle ground to be had. If there's a possibility town would post the thing about three scum, then it's not a scumslip by definition, and it shouldn't be payed attention to much less dredged up a day later like you're doing. On the other hand, if you think there's no possibility of that, then you should absolutely be attacking kcda like NS did. Your attempt at moderation here is not logical scumhunting but just trying to look town.

By the way, Amor, what are your feelings on other players? You've been tunneling me since the beginning of the game, why not take a break?

I've been "tunneling" you because I don't want you to escape out of the spotlight do to things like DCJ imploding or whatever. I'm sure you're scum (omg certainty this means we're buddies) so why focus on looking for other scum when I only have one vote? With that said, I have been paying attention to the rest of the game, so here are the requested reads.

Nobody Special -- Typical no effort player, really. Null.
kcdaspot -- Town. I was just in a game where he was scum and he was a lot less active and forceful than he is right now.
don_johnson -- Suspiciously quiet. Has been attacking NS most of the game, then switched to DCJ for being rude or something. Went after josh pretty hard, to his credit. Would like to see him post more and comment on Abel.
SGRaaize -- Active lurking like fuck. The thing is, I can't really see him being scum with Josh and Abel. Uncertain.
izakthegoomba -- Just replaced in, but seems protown so far.
projectmatt -- Started out looking kind of scummy and overdefensive but has worked his way up to a null read in my eyes. I don't really buy the theory about him and Josh bussing each other.
Darkcoffeejazz -- I had a town read until he claimed under no real pressure, which really looks like scum with a gambit they were antsy to use. The self-vote and hissy fit could be fake. Leaning scum.

So, to recap: the third member of the scumteam (omg slip) is probably either don_johnson or DCJ. I would be willing to lynch either one if an Abel lynch is impossible today If I'm wrong about Abel (and I really don't think I am), I can see Raaize partnered with one of those two.

@kcdaspot -- Can you explain the sudden reversal in your reads?

[Honest Abel]

It's as simple as this: I never said Kcd's comment was a scumslip. I said it's impossible to tell whether it was a scumslip or a town mistake. And that NS being so confident about it is scummy, especially since

he

didn't explain why it's a scumslip.

If you don't get that, you're either not trying or don't want to.

[Honest Abel]

Furthermore,

I said almost no player would assume there'd be three scum

If no player would assume it, then the only players who would automatically know it would be the scum in question. You're splitting imaginary hairs again.

If the difference between "almost no player" and "no player" is imaginary, then so are the hairs on Kcd's imaginary head.