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mastin2 The Second Coming
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Tomie degrades my play to gut. When it actually has quite a logical order to it, when you follow things through, come to the end conclusion of a train of thought. It's a horrible reason to not comment on the rest of my list, showing a terrible reaction. If Tomie was disappointed by me, that implies I did something Tomie would know to be wrong--from Tomie-town's perspective, there is my misread of the slot, but that's not something which I'd expect to be disappointed in. Disappointment implies a stronger disagreement with my reads, beyond misreading Tomie's slot. The fact that Tomie didn't give commentary on any of my reads despite strongly implying that I was not living up to expectations, leaves me to believe Tomie was scum.
Pappums OMGUS's Hiraki. Ignores everything else, to OMGUS in the most scummy way possible.
Mal's actually comes across as semi-serious. Okay, so it's not so much "serious", as "relevant". It strengthened my town-read on mal, to say the least.
And now, the infamous Bowser post. Bowser says that the lists bug him. That does not imply suspicion. It implies annoyance--which is normal to most player's stance on me. (Many are fine, with me as a person. Me, as a player, on the other hand... )
But it also shows scumhunting, in that Bowser has gotten town-reads. He's going by instinct (gut) and doesn't elaborate, but he's one of our first legitimate scumhunters.
In essence, he was saying, "he may be annoying, but he's good."
This is through page two. I'll see how far I feel like going before posting again. (Dang it. 3 hours later than I intended to go to sleep. Dead tired. And I'm only a tenth of the way there. >_<)My academy.
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Neruz Mafia Scum
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hiplop (paupam's rat, malpascp, Hirarky, lewarcher82, Maxous, vezokpiraka, Toon Fighter, Bowser) -8
Toon Fighter ( 4 ) -zMuffinMan, GreyICE, chkflip, Empking
paupam's rat ( 3 ) -hiplop, mastin2, HezLucky
Bowser ( 2 ) -MintKitten, edmund.angles
mastin2 ( 1 ) -sorgster
Tomie Uzumaki ( 1 ) -Pine
zMuffinMan ( 1 ) -somerandomguy
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mastin2 The Second Coming
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GreyICE also ignores me to RVote.
Phoebus votes me without a word. But it's a Policy Vote. Phoebus's only game with me was when I was a Lyncher. It was a Large Normal. ("Lyncher. In. A. Normal. Whut?" Yeeeeeeeeeeeah, that game's kinda the reason we have setup reviewers, now. It also had a cult which could kill, and a mafia mason, among others.) He saw me as anti-town, he thinks of me in general as anti-town. Simple enough logic. I don't feel he would've bandwagoned me as scum.
At least, not like this--he votes me without a word. Implying his dislike, rather than flat-out stating it. It has a serious town Tone to the vote. (Yes, Votes have Tone. I cover this in my Guide To Scumhunting.)
This reeks of 1: bandwagoning (and perhaps hypocrisy--depends on how you interpret the "WIN"; the tone is rather ambiguous), and 2: bussing Tomie.Empking wrote:WIN
Vote: Tomie
Bowser--who trusted my reads in his last post--follows this trust to a logical conclusion. Serious town points, for Bowser.
No doubt Warrior's a newb. This ignorance reads as newb-town rather than newb-scum. The Late-RV is generally a signature town move.
Scumhunts on something which on the surface does look bad. This shows a legitimate interest in trying to find the scum. Muffin is among the first to do this. And is therefore town.Muffin wrote:And phoebus is scum
VOTE: Phoebus
1: Scum tone. Pappums uses safe wording. 2: This is fluff. Asking me what I intend to achieve with that strategy is something to make Pappums look like he's contributing to discussion, when in fact this question is useless. 3: It also plants doubt in the town's mind as to my legitimacy.Pappums wrote:Hey mastin what exactly are you trying to accomplish with these "reads" of yours?
Fencesitting. Leaves open a back door to track through if necessary, if the need arises for mastin-suspicion. Gives nothing productive to the discussion--doesn't mention why it's odd, doesn't say why he doesn't see scum motivation in it...doesn't give anything.I dont see any scum motivation behind it, I just think its kind of odd.
It's a worthless scum post. It has a clear scum motive behind it: trying to appear more town than he really is. And guess what? So far, the town appears to have mostly bought it.
Pressures hiplop, yet doesn't vote hiplop. It also subtly plants the idea that "Mastin's reads are worthless". (When I've rather conclusively shown you how my reads were in fact serious, and quite objective in their basis.)In what way could mastin's lolreads possibly be misconstrued by anyone as "trying to look helpful" ? He claims to have reads on people who have only posted their "/confirm".
Two scum in here, guaranteed. Edmund is one, and Pappums is the other. (This is one of the main reasons GreyICE is at the bottom of my scum-list: he really is the most likely to be wrong.)The Mod wrote:somerandomguy ( 2 ) - PranaDevil, warriormode
zMuffinMan ( 2 ) - somerandomguy, edmund.angles
Hirarky ( 2 ) - paupam's rat, GreyICE
I'd also expect one scum here as well. It's not Hiraki or Muffin, so if there's scum, it's Uprising/chk.paupam's rat ( 1 ) - Hirarky
Bowser ( 1 ) - Uprising
Phoebus ( 1 ) - zMuffinMan
This does need 1-2 scum on it, but I've pretty well explained my reads on pretty much all of them, showing why Tomie's my main suspect, here.mastin2 ( 6 ) - Toon Fighter, Tomie Uzumaki, Maxous, malpascp, Phoebus, hiplop
This is 3-5 of the scum. So, in conclusion, 0-2 (most likely one) is in the leftovers. Like, oh...
There! Very likely one scum. Empking fits the pattern.Tomie Uzumaki ( 3 ) - mastin2, Empking, Bowser
This is only through page three. (...I'm not going to finish this tonight, am I? >_< So much for my promise... :/)My academy.
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mastin2 The Second Coming
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Looking back at this,
I now realize that this can 100% only come from town. Sentence by sentence, he's using signature Mastin moves against me. Obviously not intentionally, but that's what makes it even stronger, the accidental nature of his suspicions!hiplop wrote:Town shouldn't have to try to look good. Thats what he is doing, hes not actually doing anything helpful. Its simply an illusion
For starters--an accusation of trying to make myself look good. (Exactly my accusation against Pappums.) Accusing me of not posting anything helpful. (Exactly what I said Pappums was doing.) And the use of the word "illusion". The invoking of such a strong word, it can only come from town in this case.
This is a valid point about GreyICE's stances. A lack of vote, despite having a narrowed down list.
Blatant bandwagoning. (Additionally, blatant buddying--making me doubt my Tomie scumread, since quite frankly, Edmund's a stronger scumread.) Pushes a false fact about Bowser. Leaves a back door open to pedal through. "did not like", "was wishy-washy", "on the subject of", all leaving possible outs. All leaving a way to improve his stance.Edmund wrote:Like Tomie I did not like Bowser's post:
Bowser was wishy-washy on the subject of Mastin's reads.
UNVOTE: VOTE: Bowser
This can only be interpreted as one of two ways. 1: fluff identical to Pappums's. Or, worse, 2: trying to fish from me, himself. Not quite a rolefish, but an information fish, so to speak. Not looking for something which can be beneficial to town (why would the town need to know if it was reaction fishing? If the answer was "yes", it'd nullify the point of the reaction fish!), but which has a huge benefit to the scum. (Not falling into the trap if one exists.)@mastin: Do you mean that your early list was a type of reaction fishing?
So, yup, strong scum motive in Edmund.
This is pretty much a scumclaim. Edmund is trying to direct attention to all three players: myself, Muffin, and Bowser. To get Tomie focusing on all three equally, to pursue all three of us as suspects. To focus attention on players he knows are all town.@Tomie: Why does Mastin being town have anything to do with zMuffin and Bowser's alignment?
*sigh*
It's 3:30 am right now. And progress is slow. It's taking me, like, an hour per page. It'll probably get better after 5-7 (early-game reads are more important--another fact my Guide To Scumhunting elaborates on greatly), but it's time-consuming for these early-pages. And I am skipping some posts which might be good to address.
Posting this as it is, now, even though I haven't finished page four. I don't want to stay up to that hour to finish that page.My academy.
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mastin2 The Second Coming
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EditBWOP: I'm tired. You can tell by typos such as this:
Should be "All leaving a way to change his stance". (I might've been thinking of a fancier word, but I'm too tired to think it through. "change" might not be the most elegant word, but it is the must blunt. And easier for an exhausted mind to remember. )Mastin wrote:All leaving a way to improve his stance.My academy.
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GreyICE Fifty Shades
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Mastin's a confirmed liar. I was already voting when he said that I didn't vote.
He's also a fucking arrogant retard whose terrible for every town that has the misfortune to have him draw a town role PM. I mean this in the highest possible way.I WOULD RATHER HAVE MASTIN DIE AS TOWN THAN HAVE THE VIG SHOOT SCUM. IT IS BETTER FOR THE TOWN
You're damn fucking right I'm trying to ignore you, Mastin. Shut up and get shot like the good little village idiot you are.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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hiplop Jury Darling
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Mastin is a great player, I don't see your problem GreyICE. We all KNOW what hes thinking, 100%. I have no idea what you're thinking, so i naturally side more with Mastin. All i know is YOU WANT TOONFIGHTER DEAD. Thats it. What happens if he flips town, GreyICE? You probably don't want him to actually die, you want him to be alive as long as possible so you can stick to one thought process.
Pretty sure its Pappums/GreyICE/ Empking.third best scummer of all time-
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If he flips town? I'll cheer that he's FLIPPED and can no longer POST IN THE THREAD and then move on.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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sorgster Mafia Scum
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Hiraki wrote:Vote: Hiplop
Grey, I still have no meta so you're wrong.
Btw. he's scum.
How can you me sure someone is scum that early in the game? How would anyone know other than scum?
Pine wrote:You had a scum read on me? Lololol. Gods you suck Mastin. That whole reversal thing is working though. Gladwe're on the same team. Let's tear it UP.
vezokpiraka wrote:chkflip wrote:
I won't be voting right off the bat -- I want to give the thread a more thorough read beforehand.
"I want to fence sit a little and see which wagons grows that is not on myscumbuddy. "
scumbuddy? Are you saying that you are buddies with scum?
unvote
vote ckhflip
vezokpiraka wrote:Oh god. Hiraki is so annoying and scum.
He's pushing hiplophopinghe will kill a scum buddy.
unvote
vote hiraki
We'll kill hiplop tomorrow.
vezokpiraka seems suspicious. I'm going to look at the last three pages a bit now.Marathon Game record
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edmund.angles Goon
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TF is just as bad as Bowser and his wagon is bigger.
UNVOTE: Bowser
VOTE: Toon Fighter
TF wrote:Mod, what happens if at deadline we don't reach majority? No-lynch or the person with more votes gets lynched?
He makes a show of his uneasyness to vote Hiplop - he could just read the rules.
TF wrote:unvote, vote: hiplop
A lynch is better than a no-lynch
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me - 513 wrote: zMuffiman - whenever you want to stop buddying GreyICE is fine by me.
Hiplop lynch is not going through today.
My next choice for ages has been Pine but I doubt I will get sufficent support, same with malpascp.
Bowser is a decent lynch.
Not supporting any of the four, 2 vote wagons.
Ehh, gimme a bit.
unvote
I clearly state the Hiplop lynch is going nowhere and decide to unvote and change. I later go on Bowser who was a large wagon at the time.
This could be construed as bandwagoning cause I could'nt get hiplop lynched.
Hiplop says nothing.
Empking - 725 wrote: If you had control of my vote what would you do with it?
Empking - 732 wrote: Unvote
Vote: TF
Empking - 735 wrote: 3. I was asking in order to sheep you.
Empking (presumeably) decides his vote is'nt really going anywhere and blatnatly states he is sheeping another wagon.
Hiplop says nothing
me - 713 wrote: unvote
VOTE: Hiplop
Yeah I changed my mind again, let's just do this already.
I change my mind and vote Hiplop again.
hiplop - 739 wrote: bullshit. Can you explain why you decided i've become scummier?
hiplop - 743 wrote: pretty much "I CANT GET HIM LYNCHED, SO IMA BANDWAGON AGAIN".
This in fact was not sheeping a bandwagon. But suddenly, changing your vote and sheeping a bandwagon is bullshit when I voted Hiplop.
Yet he did'nt pay a blind bit of notice when people were doing the same thing but were'nt voting him.
If he really beleived changing your vote to sheep was bull/scummy he would of said something about the earlier 2 cases I quoted.
This is self-preservation."And before anyone bitches about me highlighting PoD's 437 when I replaced in and called everyone on my wagon communists, I remind you that communism is not alignment-indicative" - Belisarius
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hiplop wrote:Mastin is a great player, I don't see your problem GreyICE. We all KNOW what hes thinking, 100%. I have no idea what you're thinking, so i naturally side more with Mastin. All i know is YOU WANT TOONFIGHTER DEAD. Thats it. What happens if he flips town, GreyICE? You probably don't want him to actually die, you want him to be alive as long as possible so you can stick to one thought process.
Pretty sure its Pappums/GreyICE/ Empking.
Hey maxous, is suspect Emp for a reasonthird best scummer of all time-
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Yes and no.Hiraki wrote:are you like a lyncher or something
No, he can't be the role, "lyncher". This is a normal game.
Yes, he might as well be the role lyncher, since his will to want me dead is enough to override his current win condition and make him want me dead.
Anyway, resuming.Spoiler: GreyICEMy academy.
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Bite me, Mastin. Read me? You can't read large print books without a magnifying glass and a floodlight.
You were like 10x less intolerable the last game I was in with you. This one? The arrogance is up to 11, and the reads are fucking toilet, the play is nonsensical, your reasoning is a joke, and OH YEAH THE ARROGANCE.
I mean people call me arrogant but I'm a humble little doormouse.
Excuse me while I ignore you for the rest of the game.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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hiplop wrote:Mastin is a great player, I don't see your problem GreyICE. We all KNOW what hes thinking, 100%. I have no idea what you're thinking, so i naturally side more with Mastin. All i know is YOU WANT TOONFIGHTER DEAD. Thats it. What happens if he flips town, GreyICE? You probably don't want him to actually die, you want him to be alive as long as possible so you can stick to one thought process.
Pretty sure its Pappums/GreyICE/ Empking.
"I'm just going to sheep the guy with the most posts that a lot of people have townreads on and take his reads as my own, while ignoring that mastin's reads are based on pure unadulterated shit."
sorgster wrote:Unvote
Vote vezopiraka
Why? When people play mafia they tend to give reasons behind their actions.¯\_(ツ)_/¯-
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sorgster wrote:Hiraki wrote:Vote: Hiplop
Grey, I still have no meta so you're wrong.
Btw. he's scum.
How can you me sure someone is scum that early in the game? How would anyone know other than scum?
Pine wrote:You had a scum read on me? Lololol. Gods you suck Mastin. That whole reversal thing is working though. Gladwe're on the same team. Let's tear it UP.
vezokpiraka wrote:chkflip wrote:
I won't be voting right off the bat -- I want to give the thread a more thorough read beforehand.
"I want to fence sit a little and see which wagons grows that is not on myscumbuddy. "
unvote
vote ckhflip
vezokpiraka wrote:Oh god. Hiraki is so annoying and scum.
He's pushing hiplophopinghe will kill a scum buddy.
unvote
vote hiraki
We'll kill hiplop tomorrow.
vezokpiraka seems suspicious. I'm going to look at the last three pages a bit now.
Im my last post, I showed these two quotes of vezokpiraka. He used the term scumbuddy. I think he meant that his buddies are scum. That is why I voted for him. If he meant that they were scum then why did he say ''vote on which wagon grows that isnoton my scumbuddy. This is more than enough for me to think that he is scum.Marathon Game record
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pappums rat wrote:What, you think people shouldnt give reasons behind their votes and scumreads?
No I'm calling his vote stupid.
sorgsterisa newbie, be nice.Last edited by Neruz on Fri Aug 05, 2011 4:52 pm, edited 1 time in total.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi
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