Mini 1194: Reverse Mafia [Game Over]

[MrTrow]

pretty much standard dead neutral survivor: check. thanks.

Malp/(SC)/Packbat:
ok this is good material to cause confusion.

The rules indeed state no kill was possible N1.
It also states N1 preceeds D1.
SC is correct about the rules: N1 kill was never possible
N2 no-one got killed: it is here, packbat`s list of "3 possibilities" applies
N3 is when parama got killed.

To me this reads like a miscommunication, it`s (nearly) all a naming convention issue.
Nearly all questions at the moment about N1/2 apply to N2/3

At the moment i`m against the revival of malpascp/antB/bub
and we have a massclaim going on(right) with one of them at L-1, if someone could unvote, please.

[ChannelDelibird]

Vote Count

Bub Bidderskins - 2 (

IceGuy

, Pomegranate)
AntB - 1 (Packbat)

Not voting - 1 (ToastyToast)

3 votes to revive.

[Bub Bidderskins]

So, are starting a mass claim or not?

[Packbat]

We are - claim at will.

[AntB]

Townie

with nothin special about me at all.

Will post thoughts after everyone has claimed.

[IceGuy]

I'm also a Townie.

[malpascp]

Townie

[Bub Bidderskins]

'nilla

[Pomegranate]

VT.

[StrangerCoug]

Townie; nothing special.

[malpascp]

@Trow:

-I didn't make the vote switch.

-My guess is that I got Crypto's vote because who targeted me wanted that one vote to be usefull. Not sure what side it would balance, but this and any other conclusions are pure WIFOM.

-I "saw" that noone died and my vote thingy and I voted Bub. Later I realized that Parama was dead and my vote still fited the situation.

-Pom is not that obv-scum anymore. I thought so, but all this night actions stuff made me think. Noone here is obv anything right now.

[bobsnox]

ONE SHOT TOWN PURGER

[ToastyToast]

@malp: If whoever targeted you was town who wanted to give you something useful, why did they fail to say that they had said power?
Not saying such is a scum-claim.

Only mr. trow has to claim now?

[Packbat]

@malp: If whoever targeted you was town who wanted to give you something useful, why did they fail to say that they had said power?
Not saying such is a scum-claim.

Only mr. trow has to claim now?

This is correct.

List of Claims & Roles

1. Parama, Townie, killed Night 3

2. bobsnox: One-Shot Town Purger

3. Slaxx, Town Summoner, died Day 1

4. IceGuy: Townie

[b]5. Packbat: [url=https://forum.mafi ... ted Townie[/b]

6. Pomegranate: VT

7. ToastyToast: Jinxer

8. kiwieagle, Townie, modkilled Day 2

9. Bub Bidderskins: 'nilla

10. AntB: Townie

11. malpascp: Townie

12. StrangerCoug: Townie

13. MrTrow

[MrTrow]

guess that confirms the switch to be a scum-power

Townie

[Packbat]

Bub Bidderskins/malpascp/Pomegranate. Signed, sealed, and delivered.

[IceGuy]

Bub Bidderskins/malpascp/Pomegranate. Signed, sealed, and delivered.

I get where you're coming from with Bub and Pom (claiming VT instead of Townie), but why malpascp?

Anyway, this confirms my reads.

Inofficial Vote: StrangerCoug.

[StrangerCoug]

Bub Bidderskins/malpascp/Pomegranate. Signed, sealed, and delivered.

Considering that I can now see how bobsnox can be town since it's one-shot (he has to be

VERY

careful, though), I'm good with this.

Let's roll.

[Packbat]

Bub Bidderskins/malpascp/Pomegranate. Signed, sealed, and delivered.

I get where you're coming from with Bub and Pom (claiming VT instead of Townie), but why malpascp?

Pom gets revived. Right after Pom is revived, crypto's vote is stolen and given to malpascp - and both Pom and malpascp immediately vote for Bub Bidderskins.

The only possible flaw in the math is that it's way overpowered for scum to have a living vote-switcher, because that guarantees a scum-revive for them.

[IceGuy]

Bub Bidderskins/malpascp/Pomegranate. Signed, sealed, and delivered.

I get where you're coming from with Bub and Pom (claiming VT instead of Townie), but why malpascp?

Pom gets revived. Right after Pom is revived, crypto's vote is stolen and given to malpascp - and both Pom and malpascp immediately vote for Bub Bidderskins.

Yeah, but malpascp always claimed he was going to vote for Bub. So I can imagine that scum chose him as "useful idiot".

[Packbat]

Bub Bidderskins/malpascp/Pomegranate. Signed, sealed, and delivered.

I get where you're coming from with Bub and Pom (claiming VT instead of Townie), but why malpascp?

Pom gets revived. Right after Pom is revived, crypto's vote is stolen and given to malpascp - and both Pom and malpascp immediately vote for Bub Bidderskins.

Yeah, but malpascp always claimed he was going to vote for Bub. So I can imagine that scum chose him as "useful idiot".

...thereby protecting the third member of the scumteam (who, in that case, is almost certainly StrangerCoug)? I like it. It only works if the vote-switch is a one-shot - but if the power is one-shot, it's not stupidly overpowered any more.

UNVOTE: AntB

malpascp, do you have a second choice for a revival?

Also: @IceGuy, ToastyToast: two of us three will be alive tomorrow. If scum win this revive on a draw,

we

must win tomorrow's - so who do we pick?

[ToastyToast]

...thereby protecting the third member of the scumteam (who, in that case, is almost certainly StrangerCoug)? I like it. It only works if the vote-switch is a one-shot - but if the power is one-shot, it's not stupidly overpowered any more.

don't like this only because assuming that the abillity is a one-shot in the current situation is bad business.

SC, trow, bub, bob, antB are our options.

Which scum-team combo would mrtrow fit into and why? I think we can make connections with almost everyone but him. this suggests that he's town.

Also: @IceGuy, ToastyToast: two of us three will be alive tomorrow. If scum win this revive on a draw, we must win tomorrow's - so who do we pick?

Not sure I understand you here. If scum revive today, don't we lose?

[bobsnox]

proddodge

vote me I'm obvtown. look at all those VT claims <_<

[AntB]

List of Claims & Roles

1. Parama, Townie, killed Night 3

2. bobsnox: One-Shot Town Purger

3. Slaxx, Town Summoner, died Day 1

4. IceGuy: Townie

5. Packbat: Strong-Spirited Townie

6. Pomegranate: VT

7. ToastyToast: Jinxer

8. kiwieagle, Townie, modkilled Day 2

9. Bub Bidderskins: 'nilla

10. AntB: Townie

11. malpascp: Townie

12. StrangerCoug: Townie

13. MrTrow

Packbat is town, reviver would be OP scum imo
Bobsnox I'm unsure of, purger seems to me like it could be balanced for either side, scum take out a possible town PR, town commit harikiri on a wincon. The fact CDB won't reveal its affect on the wincon makes me wonder more...
TT being jinxer in consideration makes me think town, unless there is a lylo restriction on it...

[MrTrow]

I don`t think the medium-thing is 1-shot

@bobsnox: if you are obvtown, we shouldn`t have any need to 'fear a hidden agenda' in your posts, your analysis would be more usefull, please contribute some.
e.g.
- have you figured out the implications of a misfire?
- do you know who you will shoot if revived?
- reads in general (including a why would also be nice)

b.t.w. i have you as town now, but am against reviving you until you`ve answered at least the first 2.(please do so asap)

Yeah, but malpascp always claimed he was going to vote for Bub. So I can imagine that scum chose him as "useful idiot".

Agreed, this is an option, with this power confirmed as a scum-power there is at least 1 scum in malpascp/bub
with deaths(and at least as important,the game isn`t over yet): there is at least (very likely exactly) 1 scum among the living most likely Packbat/Pomegranate

ninja-edit:
antB are you calling packbat town, using the argument he`d be a liar otherwise?
his power explains how he`s not going to be killed, as well as strong-spirited can be translated to 'unpurgable' at least as easy.
i`m not the only one who pointed out before the 'wincon-implication-question' was way too loaded.
Rephrase or let the role in question ask by pm and there probably will be an answer.