I promised you we'd give all of our reads, and all of our reads you shall have. It shall for the most part be post by post.
Darox wrote:Vote: Cooldog
COOLDOG VS FATE, SHOWMATCH OF THE CENTURY.
LET'S GET IT ON.
We came to the conclusion that Darox's instant taking control of the game and pushing this hard was a huge town-tell. Darox pretty much killed the RVS before it even began, due to this attitude. Pushing so strongly for two players to lock in, so early, shows a level of persistence and stubbornness we expect to come from town.
Strong town read.
As for Albert. RedHead was suspicious of Albert for his first post being the elongated mortal kombat, and his second post being jumping on the Cooldog wagon, rather than the other way around.
I am confident that I will be able to read ABR better, but I need more posts from him to personally determine his alignment.
Null pending further ABR content, with a de-facto scum-lean.
Fate took Darox's approach and one-upped it by including Ludi versus Mastin. (Apparently forgetting that Mastin is part of a hydra this game, not going solo. And in a hydra, one's play is far more conservative than normal.)
We both came to the mutual conclusion that this was, indeed, a town-Fate driving these two wagons. We didn't feel that Fate as scum would lock himself into a situation like this, to go down a path of pretty much no-return.
Strong town read.
Togeloo wrote:I'm not familiar with pre-existing Grudge Matches before this game started, what's the deal with CooLDoG and Fate?
Vote: CooLDoG
As explained, this post shows extreme cognitive dissonance between the first paragraph and the second. To paraphrase?
"What's the deal with
Cooldog
and Fate?"
"Oh, and I'm going to go after Cooldog, by the way."
Clashing. Thoughts. So. Painful. THIS GUY SHOULD NOT LIVE TO SEE DAY THREE. HE IS CONFIRMED SCUM.
In addition to the cognitive dissonance, there's the additional scum Motivation behind his post--he tries to look pro-town by defusing the Cooldog/Fate situation. Key words, "tries", and "look". He is actually doing nothing to help, and as the cognitive dissonance shows, he actually makes it worse.
THIS GUY MIGHT AS WELL HAVE SCUMCLAIMED.
Redhead was initially weary of Reck's vote-without-reason. Not because it didn't have a reason, mind you. Because Redhead thought Reck wasn't being aggressive enough. He was expecting Reck to take the road of Fate/Darox and use CAPS LOCK RAGE while voting. He didn't say this in-thread due to a previous Reck incident and wanted to ask me first.
I asked him, "what would the scum motivation be behind a reasonless vote?" I explained to him how as scum, Reck probably WOULD have used caps lock during the vote, simply to blend in. The fact that he did a reasonless vote makes him stand out from the crowd, something scum would not want.
His followup post was in normal casing as well, which made it stand out even more, which'd draw even more attention from people thinking similarly to us.
After I explained that, Redhead agreed with me.
Town-read.
We haven't come to a conclusion on GhostWriter's 13. It's one of the things we're still talking about in our QT, so null.
We came to the same null conclusion on Bunnylover's 14. (I investigated further with my inquiries, and determined that Bunny is indeed town, but this post itself was not the telling factor.)
Redhead pointed out, for instance, that Bunny basically parroted Togeloo's stance on the Fate/Cooldog manner. I pointed out as a counter that parroting your scumbuddy (refer to Togeloo's scumclaim above) is pretty much suicide. We debated the wording order of the miller claim and overall couldn't reach a definitive conclusion.
So, town, but not from this.
GhostWriter continues his null trend in 16--he starts the pointless vote discussion, which could be an attempt to look pro-town, but is wrong enough that it doesn't look to be scum.
So, still null.
Something we did not mention earlier about Amrun's
entry post. Amrun has an extremely faked Tone to Bunnylover's claim. "oh jesus christ"--who the heck says that? Especially in regards to a miller claim? Pro-town response? Ask for elaboration--nameclaim, for instance.
Pro-scum response? "oh god no" (essentially).
Scum-read. (For those keeping track, that's 2.5/7.)
Togeloo wrote:Actually, it only takes one vote on someone else to make that person a kombatant as well since the rules state the two players with the highest amount of votes go against each other. Technically, the player getting the most votes will more than likely get to choose their opponent if all other votes are on him, which is why I think they get to talk during the Kombat phase (it allows the person with the most votes to build a case against his opponent).
As mentioned, this is fluff. It has a scum motive--Togeloo is trying to appear helpful. When really, it's contentless padding.
THIS GUY NEEDS TO DIE PRONTO.
Amrun wrote:Vote: GhostWriter
Read the rules kthx
Remember how GhostWriter was null for 16? There was something which could make him scum, but something that indicated he was town--this reinforces the latter. Not reading the rules is a trend far more frequently observed from town than from scum. Amrun should realize this. It's common sense. As scum, you want to know the rules, specifically to avoid being called out on this. You want to be careful and not get caught. As town, you tend to be a little more carefree and don't read things as closely.
It's not a 100% tell, and GhostWriter's particular misunderstanding of the lynch system is an extremely minor version of it (hence why it was mostly null), but Amrun exaggerates it to be stronger than it was...to use it as a scumtell against GhostWriter, rather than a town-tell. This shows extreme scum motivation.
Strong scumread.
Amrun wrote:That's not the point anyway. We need to form reads first.
1: Tries to deflect away from this path of discussion--why not pressure GhostWriter further? Instead, Amrun specifically diverts the conversation to another different topic. Rather than pushing her vote, she just lets it die. 2: And more than that, the "We need to form reads first" is about as blatant parroting of Fate as you can get.
This shows an extremely scum-Motivated Mindset.
SCREW STRONG SCUMREAD; AMRUN IS
CONFIRMED
SCUM.
While I said I'd let Redhead handle #24, I do have my own reasons.
Cooldog wrote:vote:toog for not understanding that this has almost nothing to do with fate.
1A: A random vote, when people are actively partaking in discussion. 1B: Which Kills the town momentum.
2: This is way too much explanation for a normal random vote. He's trying to justify his vote too much. Scum fear, scum paranoia at being caught for his random vote.
3: Yet at the same time, this REEKS of bussing Toog. It's just strong enough to be left on beyond the RVS. Just strong enough to keep a Toogeloo suspicion. Just strong enough to distance the two...but not strong enough to be serious, not strong enough to be anything other than a random vote.
This in-the-middle attitude is distinctly fence-sitting. Trying to get the best of both worlds.
This also contradicts with this:
For the record, I believe I could beat fate in kombat.
To paraphrase, "This isn't about Fate."
*line-break*
"I'd beat Fate."
IF IT WASN'T ABOUT FATE, THEN WHY MENTION HIM IMMEDIATELY AFTER?!?
And that is augmented by his change:
Cooldog, next page after Fate posts wrote:Lets do this, vote:fate, that should put him with 2 votes. More CooLDoG votes please.
"It has nothing to do with fate". YEAH RIGHT, OF
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GUY YOU JUST VOTED!
CONFIRMED SCUM.
(3.5 down, 3 to go.)
Amrun wrote:Vote: CoolDog
And Amrun abandons altogether her previous suspicion to go after CoolDog...why?
...Yeah, no reason given. She's scum, bussing Cooldog for some free town cred.
Ludi wrote:SECRET READS;
MOD CONFIRMED SCUM: MASTIN
HHAAHHEHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
THE DEATH OF MASTIN HAS ARRIVED BY MY HAND
FOS: EVERYONE NOT VOTING MASTIN
VOTE MASTIN
And Ironically Enough, Ludi's extreme hatred of one half of this hydra has lead both halves to conclude that Ludi is solidly town. We both feel that Ludi would not be focusing purely on Mastin if he were scum, because it'd be ASKING for us to tunnel on him. Since he chose to do so, anyway, it means that Ludi is solidly town.
Strong town-read.
Amrun wrote:Palisade is scum
Unvote; Vote: Palisade
Oh, look. Hopping onto popular opinion at the time. Totally town, right?
Nero Cain wrote:STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM MASTIN. I DO NOT WANT TO READ WALLS.
We came to the mutual conclusion that this made Nero Cain town, because he was trying to stop our lynch for--quite frankly--selfish reasons. Once more, we come to the same line of thought as on Reck and Ludi--that if Nero were scum, him defending us for this would only attract attention to himself. Bonus points for doing it in all caps.
Town-read.
Reck's insistence on wanting to know what we saw scummy in #24 also strengthens our town-read. He's following through on it.
Amrun wrote:But I also find toogeloo scummy.
Remember Cooldog's Toogeloo suspicion? How it reeks of scum bussing? This is a dead-ringer to that.
Kise wrote:Isn't it too early for caps'ing, guys?
Kise? Refusing to Cap?
SCUM CAUGHT RED-HANDED.
Fails to comment on pretty much everything else, to make a fluff post about not doing something which we both remember Kise doing a lot. (4.5.)
Darox wrote:YOU MEAN, IF HE HAD PHRASED IT EXACTLY LIKE TOGEPI DID? BUT WAIT, YOU CALLED THAT SCUMMY TOO!
Amrun asked in a roundabout way. Instead of being blunt, it was asked with an emoticon attatched to the end. A subtle but key difference in tone. The delivery was completely different. "Mod, did you mean..." is different from "is it really... o_O"
T-Bone wrote:It's time to declare the King of Ironfist Tournament!!!
Vote: CoolDog
Because it's cool.
The fact that the Ironfist Tournament is apparently completely wrong is a town-tell--if T-Bone legitimately believed it was, then it means he didn't know it wasn't. He also displays a carefree attitude towards CoolDog.
Town-read.
Amrun wrote:CooLDog has a rep of catching scum? o.O
This is the exact same "you're mistaken" tone, only instead of directed at the mod, it's at a player. If you didn't think it was valid before, it certainly is valid, now.
Kise wrote:And actually, I think BL is town because my character was kicking the heroes' asses in MK 2011 but I'm with the town here. The storyline is probably from Armageddon then and not the 2011 game.
Waaaaaaaaaait a sec...
Kise, earlier wrote:Ermac is bad at first but then goes good. In the reinvented Mortal Kombat game (2011) Ermac is again bad, but it's because Ermac is a bunch of spirits tied together that are controlled by Shao Khan. So it really could go either way depending on which storyline the mod is using.
The earlier quote implies he doesn't know which storyline is being used. The later quote implies he does.
HE EFFING JUST CLAIMED SCUM.
CooLDoG (11) - Darox, Albert B. Rampage, Fate, Toogeloo, xRECKONERx, Ghostwriter, Oversoul, Palisade, Internet Stranger, T-Bone, Amrun
This was the peak of the Cooldog wagon. Coincidentally enough, our reads here are Town-scum-town-scum for the first half of it. But that's 2/7; there needs to be one more. Amrun's joining the wagon fills up that need.
This makes sense, because you don't get this close to a lynch with only town names. You need scum support.
springlullaby wrote:Hello guys, I'm a miller. Thought I'd let you know.
This feels forced. Why add the second sentence, when all she needed was the first? Reads as scum trying to make the claim look as appetizing as possible.
haha 'k'ombatant
This seems like an extremely forced post to justify not being familiar with the material. Everyone knows that Mortal Kombat uses Ks for all situations--why Kan't they?
Actually, that's fine by me.
VOTE Springlullaby
"OH, *beep*! Well, if I self-vote, maybe they'll think I'm more likely to be town..."
Ahem. I fucked that up, haven't read my PM through.
"I...screwed up."
Lemme think about this first.
"I need to think of a way out of this mess. I didn't realize we had another miller claim!"
Scumread.
Togeloo wrote:Scum didn't read the first couple pages and see a Miller claim already and thought they could get away with one themselves.
unvote;
vote: springlullaby
This reeks of scum bussing their buddy who just effed up in the hopes of getting town-cred.
By the way, how have you not read your PM? You had to confirm through it before we started playing the game. I imagine you had to have at least read through to that part, right?
Further pursues this lynch. It feels like Togeloo KNOWS the claim is fake already. Like he wants to get town-credit for nailing the scumbuddy who royally screwed up.
Spring wrote:1. I think there is a chance Bunnylover and I are both town. I had forgotten this was a large theme.
"Nevermind, there's a chance we're both town. Ignore me having been fine with it before. Nothing to see, there."
2. But checking up on Ermac, I don't see why that would be a miller role.
"And ignore the above, too, since I'm going back to the stance that Bunnylover could be scum."
Spring goes from supporting one scum in the miller claims, to leaving open a door for both being town, back to believing one of the millers is scum again.
You seriously think she's town for this?
spring wrote:@Palissade, why would you want two miller to pit against each other? Eager to deflect heat from yourself?
We never said this. We said one of the miller claims should be lynched. Never did we say they should be pitted against each other. This is a blatant mis-rep.
WHAT KEEPS SPRING FROM BEING CONFIRMED SCUM, GUYS?!?
(For those keeping track, that's now 5.5/7, leaving one left.)
Amrun wrote:No way are both millers town. NO WAY.
Blatantly sheeping the popular opinion of the time...AGAIN. You'll note this is a consistent trend from Amrun. Additionally,
Fffffffff
Implies she knows Spring is scum who screwed up on her claim.
Spring wrote:Do you really think that is a good argument?
1. I only skim read through my PM when I received it, and replied back.
2. My PM is complicated.
This isn't denying that she's scum. This is denying the reason that she's scum. It reads as trying to get her buddy off of her.
spring about Amrun's vote wrote:Why? WHY
The better question would be, why would you believe both miller claims were town, Spring? It's pretty common sense that with two miller claims, one is going to be scum.
Togeloo wrote:Statement 1 says you think you both are Millers (if you think BL is town, then you think he is Miller).
Statement 2 tries to discredit BL's claim to being a Miller.
Passive Aggressiveness. Strengthens our scumread on him. It's like he wants to be given credit for nailing spring...while not strongly pushing for her death, leaving open the possibility of her getting out of it.
Fate, on Amrun's post wrote:This is bad posting, fucking stupid, and a waste of time.
It's a pretty valid point against Amrun. It's also another thing which makes Fate obv-town.
Ludi wrote:We don't lynch millers because they claim miller, we lynch them if they act scummy.
And we would not have voted Spring if we did not feel like she was scum. We had two miller claims. Pretty much the ONLY situation where we have them both be truthful is if 1: We have two scumteams, AND 2: We have two cops who can only investigate one scumteam, AND 3: both Millers are Millers for a specific scumteam.
UNLESS ALL THE ABOVE ARE TRUE, BOTH MILLERS CANNOT BE TOWN.
And we don't believe it's true--Demon JUST ran a Large Game with that mechanic: Mafia on Werewolf Island, with a Cop for the Mafia, and a Seer for the Werewolves. Demon wouldn't do it again immediately after that; it's too repetitive.
tl;dr, we voted for the miller claim which was less believable.
Muffin wrote:VOTE: Palisade
Amrun is scum, too.
Muffin casually coming in like this and not giving reasons makes us feel like he is town. As scum, he could throw in any number of BS reasons, but chooses not to.
Town-read.
Cooldog wrote:An artful dodge my friend. Very artful. Despite the fact that you felt it was strong enough to vote me.
Dude. WE'RE A FREAKIN' HYDRA. OF
I'M NOT GOING TO ANSWER FOR MY OTHER HEAD. It was Redhead's post, Redhead becomes accountable for it. I'm Almond, not Redhead. We're two different players. How am I supposed to answer for him?
Huh? Why is singer scummy over BL?
"What makes my scumbuddy more scummy than the town-miller?" Seriously, he's trying to fuel the Miller flame, and takes a passive aggressive stance in doing so.
How can you fuck-up reading a goddamn role PM? Or realizing that there are 25 players? Yep, if one of you are scum I would say that you would be at this point.
HUGE EFFING COGNITIVE DISSONANCE. RED FLAGS SPOTTED! Earlier in THIS VERY DANG POST, "why is Spring more scum than Bunny?"
Right now, same post: "Spring is scum."
Amen, unvtoe, vote: palisade
More cognitive dissonance--Cooldog has just fueled the flames of the miller debate, and drops it immediately...why?
Question: Can we put Master of sin up with palisade?
And tries to drop ALL THREE OF HIS OTHER SUSPECTS IN THIS POST (Bunny, Spring, and us, in that order) in order to deflect onto MoS.
WHY ARE ALL THE OBV-SCUM GETTING AWAY?!?
T-Bone wrote:Two town millers? Hmm. Palisade, Springlullaby. Are you contesting that you are in-fact 100% Town. And are also a Miller? I feel like we shouldn't let this go just yet. I think someone is lying here. At which point, we can decide which one of these duels...
Unvote
Vote: Palisade
this guy(s). Holy shit he is playing like scum. This is the Mastin hydra right? Because in my experience, Mastin considers everything before his posts, and while is very annoying, would NEVER not read his role PM, and would certainly read and reread a thousand times to make sure he doesn't do anything to contradict himself. So because it's a hydra, one head fucked up and the other is trying to do damage control.
This guy must've been smoking something if his reason for voting us was thinking we were a miller CC to Spring. But no scum misreads the thread THAT badly and acts upon it so instinctively like this. He's confirmed town.
Fonz wrote:Vote: Bunnylover Lynch all claimed millers.
Fails to address Spring.
He's saying that pointing out mod errors is not scumhunting. duh.
Fonz, take your shiny white armor, sword, and shield elsewhere. We need no White Knight. (This trend continues...)
GhostWriter wrote:Fonz's refusal to touch the fact that SL also claimed miller and proceeded to not give details EVEN AFTER BL WAS CALLED ON THE SAME THING is so lovely to see. SL is definitely going up with Pali now. We get an SL scumflip at any point, Fonz has got to be a buddy.
Has officially moved to town for this.
Fonz wrote:I'm aware that SL claimed miller too; Bunnylover is however scummier. See how that works?
No, we don't. You said "lynch all claimed millers", and failed to mention spring AT ALL. Not even a casual "spring's is more believable". Nothing. You. Ignored. Spring. Completely.
We'll get back to Fonz's stances later, but he is scum.
We take the break on Fonz to address ABR. Essentially, we think he's not being aggressive ENOUGH. This is Albert B.
Rampage
we're talking about! He's being way too subtle, not aggressive enough. He's quite frankly not pushing hard enough to be town-ABR.
Nero wrote:Both heads finding Toog scummy but not voting him is bad.
Both heads also found Cooldog scummy and left the vote on him. Both head also found Spring scummy and moved our vote to her.
There's seven scum in the game; we can only vote for one of them at a time, Nero.
BACK TO FONZ:
Fonz wrote:I have, and I see an effort at scumhunting. The slot seems to be getting attacked because one head referred a question about a comment the other made to the head that made it. That's not scummy, that's hydra play.
This is about as ultimate as White Knighting gets. HE'S EFFING WHITE KNIGHTING A
WHO HAS ONE HEAD BE
Anyone else see the problem here?
He knows we'll flip town, and him defending us is an attempt to make himself look good after the fact. "Told you Pal was town."
"Maybe that's just how Fonz plays?"
DUDES.
HE CALLED FOR WISDOM OF THE CROWDS ON ALL THINGS MASTIN BEFORE THE GAME BEGAN! HE
TRIED TO VOTE MASTIN OUT OF THE GAME,
YET NOW IS DEFENDING OUR SLOT
. There's no way that comes from town. AB-SO-EFFING-LUTELY NO. DANG. WAY. It's Cognitive Dissonance at its most extreme.
FONZ IS CONFIRMED SCUM. (And that's now all of the scum. ABR, Togeloo, Amrun, Cooldog, Kise, springlullaby, and Fonz. You can sig us on this.)
