Newbie 1138 - Game Over! Town Win!

[Honest Abel]

whilst, if you want reasons why I'm voting IAI, look at my case on him. He does a good job refuting some of the points, but I'm still not convinced.

[Honest Abel]

At this point, I'm not waiting for IAI to explain himself. I'm waiting for a role claim.

[Honest Abel]

I know that NS will be fine with lynching IAI based on his comments. Or, at least, I believe that. So IAI should just come out with it now.

[Bricktoes]

Is a claim Necessary?

[Honest Abel]

Yeah. If he says cop and then says "O.K. guys, I investigated whilst and he's town" and then we kill him and he turns out to be cop... yeah.

[singersigner]

Vote Count 2.1.1

cavjj (1): I Am Innocent
DarkClaymore (1): whilst
Honest Abel (0):
whilst (1): DarkClaymore
dicknose (0):
I Am Innocent (3): dicknose, cavjj, Honest Abel
Nobody Special (0):

Not Voting (2): I Am Innocent, Nobody Special

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Mod Notes:

• Deadline is August 22nd, 2011 12am PST
  
• Please let me know if there are any discrepancies!

[Honest Abel]

Here's a discrepancy: we actually lynched IAI... what'd he flip? Thx

[Honest Abel]

Just kidding.

Where NS at? NS? Where is you at?

[whilst]

I really don't think you need a claim out of him to clear him of a D2 lynch. If he claims cop, then we lose him either way. The mafia will just kill him. The only way we don't is if the doctor protects him -- but who knows if he exists. Who knows if the cop exists?

It's all weird.

[Honest Abel]

A copclaim means we need to decide whether he's telling the truth or not first of all. We'd still need to decide whether or not to lynch him, so a copclaim isn't going to technically save him. Although then his fate would rest in the hands of a potential doctor. However, I guess if you get to the point where you need to claim, you've also gotten to the point where you've gotten lynched aside from a technicality, so it's pretty much over anyway. Now, we're not technically at that point because nobody's declared intent to hammer. We'll see how it pans out.

[I Am Innocent]

I know that NS will be fine with lynching IAI based on his comments. Or, at least, I believe that. So IAI should just come out with it now.

Than NS should be asking asking for the claim. I will claim once one of the 3 not on my wagon says they are ready to hammer.

Off the top of my head, the biggest post against IAI is one of his attacks on Abel where he sheeps a lot of Darky's complaints with far less reason. Darky argued with Abes a lot longer and seems to be an emotional player, so what little justification he had for feeling insulteed is a lot more than IAI had. The only emotion I've seen from IAI is pride in his win ratio, but based on his performance here I'm guessing a lot of luck was involved.

To respond to this and DC's comments about meta, it is pretty simple. A case was presented against me by Abel saying that I am scum with a newbie and the newbies gave me away. My retort is I have a pretty good tract record as scum:

1) 3 scum wins were perfect scum wins, meaning both me and my partner survived to the endgame.
2) all 3 of these wins were with newbie teammates....meaning I did alot of coaching there.
3) I was nom'd for a scummy for one of these wins....one where we took out sotty, nikanor, locke lamore as just a few of the great town players that we dup'd

Early this game I said I like playing town. I think it is more challenging than just latching on to a strong player or two and taking out the easy targets.

Yes I have had some bad town games, where I won, where I probably got lucky along the way. Nobody will tell you in the game with veridis that he modded, I self voted out of frustration. I did that in another game as town. Both games I made it to the end where I helped the town win. My strength as town is in late game analysis (MyLo, LyLo), esp linking scum 1 to scum 2. Unfortunately we are not there yet, and I am speculating with the rest of town, as well as going off my gut on a few players.

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Please people, before you ask for the claim, ask yourself, has IAI sounded like the scum guy above or town guy above? Why would scum IAI be defending the top 2 targets today other them himself when if he is scum, at least one of them has to be town? Why not take the easy lynch???

There's only one answer that makes sense...I'm town.

If one of the three not on my wagon calls for a claim, I will come forward. Please don't hammer without calling for a claim though

, that is a big mistake in these newbie games where many a power role got lynched that should never have happened imo (at least force the scum's hand on a suspicious power player instead during their night phase).

[I Am Innocent]

vote cavjj

It's nice that you two are so definite about each other's guilt. Nice omgus, there.

Yeah, I threw suspicion on him D1 and early D2. OMGUS the other way buddy.

[I Am Innocent]

Re Dicknose 650,

"Post 570 was a comment solely on your activity. It made no mention of scumminess"

Post 570 actually says "I just want to say, in regards to IAI's activity, that until recently he had fewer posts than singer, which is too few I think. That was my only problem."

What did you meant "That was my only problem"? The only explanation I see is that it related to scumminess. Please do explain

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Not a big fan of this either "My last period of activity began with a "screw this, I'm going to bed." What do you think? I didn't think it was a terribly important question. I'm pretty sure I only voted Darky twice and that was for emphasis."

You didn't think it was a terribly important question??? I was really hoping that you did not see it buried in the post of mine, but you admit that is not the case. Afraid to admit you were scumming, I mean skimming?

And it was three times

. Post 124, Post 169, Post 186. None of which at the time hint at a repeat vote or "for emphasis"

I do not like your explanation that it was "for emphasis".

At the time, I actually saw it for one of two reasons:

1) protown reason, make it seem like it is a bigger wagon than it is and maybe you catch sleeping scum hopping on for the easy lynch (so I kept quiet to see if cavjj would try to quickhammer again)
2) scummy reason, try to confuse a newbie town into claiming early.

Re 2, Post 193 DC says "For example I'm quite close to lynch so" (despite only having one vote on him at this time).

Shady, especially in light of your explanation now (for emphasis) that you did not feel the need to give earlier when you were actually doing it.

[I Am Innocent]

EBWOP, mod, could you please fix the quote tags for me in Post 686.

Mod <3s you.

[Honest Abel]

Come on, fellas. Someone make this guy claim or convince me to move off of the wagon. One or the other.

[Honest Abel]

Come on, fellas. Someone make this guy claim or convince me to move off of the wagon. One or the other.

[Honest Abel]

You'd think scum would have hammered the guy by now. There's enough against him to say "Yeah I agree" and lynch. Either he's scum and being bussed by his buddy, or both scum are on the wagon. Just an idea.

[Honest Abel]

Or NS is scum and he's just not around to prove it.

[DarkClaymore]

Isn't it pretty much set that NS agreed to lynch IAI?

I don't see why we have to wait for the claim.

IAI, for the sake of saving time, isn't it better if you just claim now and when NS finally shows up he'll decide whatever to hammer or not?

Because now we wait until he arrives and says he wants to hammer. Then you claim. And then we wait again until he arrives and hammers (assuming your claim doesn't change anything). Looks like a waste of time to me. We could at least to skip the first stage, especially as it's pretty obvious it'll happen.

[I Am Innocent]

You'd think scum would have hammered the guy by now. There's enough against him to say "Yeah I agree" and lynch. Either he's scum and being bussed by his buddy,

or both scum are on the wagon

. Just an idea.

cavjj

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Is a claim Necessary?

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That would be my guess as of now.

[cavjj]

Would the claim really change anyones mind?

[I Am Innocent]

Isn't it pretty much set that NS agreed to lynch IAI?

I don't see why we have to wait for the claim.

IAI, for the sake of saving time, isn't it better if you just claim now and when NS finally shows up he'll decide whatever to hammer or not?

Because now we wait until he arrives and says he wants to hammer. Then you claim. And then we wait again until he arrives and hammers (assuming your claim doesn't change anything). Looks like a waste of time to me. We could at least to skip the first stage, especially as it's pretty obvious it'll happen.

DC, if you intend to hammer, I will claim. If not, I will wait on whilst and NS. Chances are NS will call for a claim, and if he does, I will claim. I will not claim prior to that though. Giving scum more information than is absolutely necessary is not a good thing.

[DarkClaymore]

Would the claim really change anyones mind?

If anything then this:

Yeah. If he says cop and then says "O.K. guys, I investigated whilst and he's town" and then we kill him and he turns out to be cop... yeah.

Isn't it pretty much set that NS agreed to lynch IAI?

I don't see why we have to wait for the claim.

IAI, for the sake of saving time, isn't it better if you just claim now and when NS finally shows up he'll decide whatever to hammer or not?

Because now we wait until he arrives and says he wants to hammer. Then you claim. And then we wait again until he arrives and hammers (assuming your claim doesn't change anything). Looks like a waste of time to me. We could at least to skip the first stage, especially as it's pretty obvious it'll happen.

DC, if you intend to hammer, I will claim. If not, I will wait on whilst and NS. Chances are NS will call for a claim, and if he does, I will claim. I will not claim prior to that though. Giving scum more information than is absolutely necessary is not a good thing.

But he already said he wants either you or Whilst lynched many times. I think we are just wasting time.
I could come and say "I will hammer" but tbh I'm not sure about hammering you so I won't trick you into claiming just for the sake of ending the day faster. That's scummy.

[Honest Abel]

A good claim might actually change my mind. A weak claim, probably not. Although I'm sure IAI would know what a good claim is, so he could make it tough.

[Honest Abel]

DC, we are not "wasting time." We pretty much have all the time in the world. Just be patient.