Fuldu wrote:It has nothing to do with whether you were aware of that information. I had read it and was aware of it, so it's not like your use of the phrase "Asian Mafia" came as an enormous surprise to me.
It's a question of the psychology of who would be more likely to actually use the phrase in a post. People who are members of the group have internalized that description, and so are more likely to use it externally. People who aren't members of the group are (if, as you've pointed out, they've read at all carefully) aware of the name of the group, but are more likely to think of that group generically as "scum" than specifically as "the Asian Mafia." It doesn't matter to them one way or the other what the group is called - the important fact is just that they're the bad guy who must be done away with.
Sure, that makes sense in general. It matters to me because my very personality is that I'm pedantic, and I usually read through the whole opening posts even when it's blatantly simple like this game. I only generally use "scum" before I'm sure who they are, or not sure if it's mafia or an SK.
I just think you're a) wrong in this case, and b) generalizing without taking into account the characteristics of the player you're talking about/with.
I don't recall the threads ever being screwed up on April Fool's Day, just the avatars and user-related information (not including usernames).
To be more specific, there was a short period of time where certain threads were giving "No new posts in this topic" errors when they shouldn't. I don't know if that was the problem with my counting or not, but it looked like he had just reached 12, when in fact he had apparently just reached 11.
But that's less of a vital point here and you're right in saying that it's an unprovable issue. In general, it gives the impression that you're trying to appear in agreement with the lynch without having actually wanted it.
Well, we can argue about it until the cows come home, but it's my word against yours; worse than usual for WIFOM.
But for my main point, here again consider the mentality of a person who complains (even just a bit passive-aggressively) about tidus' giving up and admitting to being scum. I'm not saying that there's no reason a pro-town player might be upset about that. It makes the game less fun when other players give up.
For a pro-town player in this situation, that's going to be somewhat mediated by the fact that it's still early in the game, meaning that there's still a ways to go for the win. And, since we've lynched one scum, we have a bit more of a buffer to work with and additional information to build off of.
On the other hand, for scum, the annoyance of tidus being a poor sport is compounded by the fact that it's made scum's game that much more difficult. And so, they have greater reason to feel slighted by his actions, and therefore more of an emotional disposition toward complaining about it.
So, when someone complains about tidus quitting, I'm more inclined to think of them as likely to be scum. And in this case, that meant you. In then reading back over your posts, I came across the Asian Mafia comment, which I had missed yesterday, so I chose to include that. By my main argument is on the psychology of being annoyed enough at tidus to type "tidus_of_quittingland."
The only time I've ever not been annoyed at a quitter was in an old-style Newbie game when the Cop & Doc had us dead to rights. Other than that, I take the same attitude toward it that I do toward replacements; I think they damage the game and make it harder to enjoy/play. You already alluded to the fact that a bunch of people are now both simultaneously "off the hook" for voting their possible scum partner, and more suspicious for voting after he claimed scum (including me). How does that part make our job easier?
All of that being said, I'm not really inclined to think either MoS or TheCesspit are scum today, based on tidus' claim/FOS. Fritzler, on the other hand, ignored the bandwagon on tidus, and had some strange behaviors on D1 (I already mentioned that he's shown full awareness of the recruitment scheme AND said he has people in mind he might have recruited).
Vote: Fritzler
as a better option in my mind, today.
Yosarian2 wrote:
Well, Tidus was clearly a newbie, but how does the way he broke under pressure tell us anything about the characteristics of the rest of the scum group?
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I just want to understand Mr. Flay's logic here; it bothers me a little when the most experenced player in the game tries to imply that the scum are probably all new players, so I would like him to explain his logic here.
Gyeah. I am by far neither the most experienced player here nor the best. I'm actually a fairly lousy pro-town player, perhaps by virtue of not much experience...
That being said, I
do
have some insights into the criminal mind. My statement about tidus and his (potential) band of newbies is that if tidus felt like he wasn't going to get any support from teammates to deflect what was going on, that may have contributed to his fold. A newbie scum may stay 100% away from their partner, avoiding any defense whatsoever; I'm not even saying it's a good theory, just putting it out there.
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Lee/BuddyLee? Twomz?