Mini 1193: Hacker's Panic mafia. (Game Over)

[deselby]

How did you catch the PRs visiting you N1 - was deselby/Zodiark a watcher? Or was Parama a self-watcher?

I hate neighbors btw

I like neighbours. The trick is not to outguess the mod, just focus on getting a good read on the scummier of the two neighbours. The townier of the two probably is town (I can't recall seeing any games where the townier neighbour turned out to be scum).

I was a watcher, got pretty lucky, we would not have killed celeb N2 otherwise. I liked having the neighbours in the game, but they did seem to favour scum if anything.

@cooldog imag was killed cos he seemed unlikely to be lynched (mostly parama's idea, I think i would have gone for xvart).

thanks HP for modding too btw

[CooLDoG]

I thought that imagine guy would have voted for us in lylo. As well as xvart....

[imaginality]

Definitely wouldn't have gone for xvart - like I say, I came to conclude the neighbours were town-town. Choosing between you, Parama and deselby would've been tricky - I think I'd have wanted Parama lynched first of the three of you. Either way, I would've taken longer than a few hours over it though...

[Zodiark13]

thanks HP for modding too btw

This. So much. HP is just the bestest mod ever.

[Parama]

see, this is why image was killed.
Also we killed Surye because he probably wasn't getting lynched and he was one of the more competent players anyways.

[Beck]

Idk, I thought Surye would have had people try to lynch him.

[Humble Poirot]

Those in danger of being exposed #24:

Parama (3)

- CooLskins, deselby, Parama,

Not Voting (2)

- don_johnson, xvart,

With 5 Alive it took 3 to lynch.

As we approach the end of resistance, it's sad to think that we placed our hope
in such irrational egos. So easy to manipulate by intermediate rat goverment
agents.

On hindsight, it seems You never had any chance to begin with.

don_johnson, vanilla townie, was exposed day 5

But he was not the only one.

His computer had information that lead to the capture of the rest of them.

xvart and Coolskins soon followed suit.

The agents. Parama, deselby and zodiark13, received prizes and
promotions for a job well done. Of course, they pretended it had been

such a complex

task in their report...

Truth is, Hackers might have destroyed each other even if there was no mole.

They just plain suck at this revolution thing.

Code: Select all

"Whatever works is always the best plan."

Congratulations Parama, deselby and Zodiark13 for a really smooth
mafia victory!

And thanks to everyone who has played this very particular game.

[Humble Poirot]

Night Actions:

Night 1:

zodiark13 kills Surye
Deselby Watches Parama - Result: Celebloki and bobsnox.
Celebloki Jailkeeps Parama
bobsnox tracks Parama - Result: None

Night 2:

zodiark13 kills celebloki
Deselby watches xvart - Result: None
Celebloki Jailkeeps bobsnox
bobsnox tracks zodiark13 - Result: None (due to being blocked. Read tracker role pm.)

Night 3:

Parama kills bobsnox
bobsnox tracks don_johnson - He dies
deselby Watches Parama - Result: none

Night 4:

parama kills imaginality
deselby doesn't even watch.

Role PMs:

Town:

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Beck

, you're a

One Shot Vigilante

, once in the game, you may target a player to kill.

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm in the thread: Mini 1193: Hacker's Panic mafia.
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bobsnox

, you're a

Tracker

, you may target a player to be tracked, thus discovering who that player targeted in the same night phase. You will receive a Private Message from the moderator containing [Name(s)] or [None].

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm in the thread: Mini 1193: Hacker's Panic mafia.
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Celebloki

, you're a

Jailkeeper

, you may target a player at night both protecting him from any kills and blocking any actions he might attempt.

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm in the thread: Mini 1193: Hacker's Panic mafia.
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kondi2424

, you're a

Vanilla Townie

, you've got no other powers than your skills and presence of mind.

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm in the thread: Mini 1193: Hacker's Panic mafia.
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Haschel Cedricson

, you're a

Vanilla Townie

, you've got no other powers than your skills and presence of mind.

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm in the thread: Mini 1193: Hacker's Panic mafia.
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Surye

, you're a

Vanilla Townie

, you've got no other powers than your skills and presence of mind.

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm in the thread: Mini 1193: Hacker's Panic mafia.
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CooLskins

, you're a

Vanilla Townie

, you've got no other powers than your skills and presence of mind.

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm in the thread: Mini 1193: Hacker's Panic mafia.
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Hrezs

, you're a

Vanilla Townie

, you've got no other powers than your skills and presence of mind.

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm in the thread: Mini 1193: Hacker's Panic mafia.
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xvart, you're a Neighbor with don_johnson, you can talk with him at night. You don't know his alignment.

The town Quicktopic is here

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm in the thread: Mini 1193: Hacker's Panic mafia.
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MOD NOTE: This one had the scum instead of town mistake due to a copy paste from scum's
pm. I corrected xvart's on the fly but not don_johnson's.
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don_johnson, you're a Neighbor with xvart, you can talk with him at night. You don't know his alignment.

The scum Quicktopic is here

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm in the thread: Mini 1193: Hacker's Panic mafia.

Scum:

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deselby

You are a

mafia watcher

Your partners are

Zodiark13

(goon) and

Parama

(goon), You may target a player to be watched, thus discovering who targeted that player. You will receive a Private Message from the moderator containing [Name(s)] or [None].

The scum Quicktopic is here

You win if at least one member of your group is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Confirm in the thread: Mini 1193: Hacker's Panic mafia.

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Zodiark13

, you are a

mafia goon

, Your partners are

deselby

(watcher) and

Parama

(goon).

The scum Quicktopic is here

You win if at least one member of your group is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Confirm in the thread: Mini 1193: Hacker's Panic mafia.


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Parama

, you are a

mafia goon

, Your partners are

deselby

(watcher) and

Zodiark13

(goon).

The scum Quicktopic is here

You win if at least one member of your group is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Confirm in the thread: Mini 1193: Hacker's Panic mafia.
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Dead QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/qupBawDpadSK
The scumteam here might not be obvious due to an excessive level of scummyness from town players but there has been one obvious scum since day 1 and people need only calm down to realize contradictions of the zodiark13 kind.

[Humble Poirot]

voting history:

Voter	Votee	Votecount #
bobsnox	Parama
Parama	Antihero
CooLskins	Haschel Cedricson
Haschel Cedricson	Surye
don_johnson	xvart
Antihero	Parama
Celebloki	Celebloki
Zodiark13	CooLskins
Beck	Haschel Cedricson
deselby	deselby	1
xvart	Parama
Beck	don_johnson
CooLskins	Parama
Beck	Parama
CooLskins	beck	2
bobsnox	beck
Surye	beck
xvart	beck
Parama	beck
Antihero	beck
celebloki	unvote	3
Surye	unvote
bobsnox	don_johnson
bobsnox	beck
surye	beck
celebloki	beck	4
bobsnox	cooLskins
parama	Hrezs
don_johnson	celebloki
cooLskins	don_johnson
deselby	bobsnox
hrezs	parama
Zodiark13	Celebloki	5
Haschel Cedricson	Parama
xvart	Parama
bobsnox	Celebloki
bobsnox	deselby	6
celebloki	Antihero
don_johnson	unvote
Zodiark13	don_johnson
don_johnson	cooLskins
haschel Cedricson	bobsnox
hrezs	bobsnox	7
bobsnox	Zodiark13
celebloki	unvote
Antihero	Hrezs
bobsnox	Hrezs
Antihero	Celebloki
Zodiark13	bobsnox
bobsnox	Zodiark13	8
celebloki	Zodiark13
cooLskins	Zodiark13
xvart	Celebloki
don_johnson	hrezs
bobsnox	hrezs	10
deselby	hrezs	11
xvart	Zodiark13
xvart	hrezs	12
celebloki	hrezs	13
Parama	Zodiark13
CooLskins	Zodiark13
Zodiark13	bobsnox
bobsnox	Zodiark13	14
havingfitz	bobsnox
xvart	bobsnox
havingfitz	parama
don_johnson	bobsnox
don_johnson	parama
deselby	Zodiark13	15
Zodiark13	Zodiark13	16
Parama	don_johnson
CooLskins	don_johnson
don_johnson	deselby	17
don_johnson	unvote
xvart	cooLskins
havingfitz	xvart	18
don_johnson	cooLskins
imaginality	havingfitz
imaginality	cooLskins	19
havingfitz	don_johnson
don_johnson	unvote
havingfitz	unvote	20
deselby	don_johnson
deselby	unvote	22
imaginality	havingfitz
don_johnson	havingfitz
deselby	don_johnson
xvart	havingfitz
parama	unvote
cooLskins	havingfitz	23
cooLskins	don_johnson
deselby	don_johnson
parama	don_johnson	24

[Humble Poirot]

I'll try to condense my notes and comment on the game soon. But it will have to wait a day, probably. - HP

[imaginality]

Forgot to say above, but nice flavour, Humble Poirot. Concise but well-written, and the scenario makes an excellent basis for a mafia game.

[bobsnox]

oh well. I tracked the right people just couldn't use my role <_<

[Parama]

[Hoopla]

Nice haul for scum with their Watch on Parama. Caught both active PR's at once.

[Parama]

I'm so popular at night.

(make your own jokes here if you want)

[Beck]

Well when you brag like you do, you sort of bring it on yourself.

[havingfitz]

I now have a CoolDog policy lynch policy. I don't care if it gets me voted out D1 in games. If he's alive in a game my vote is on him.

I f$%#ing hate games with neighbors in them. Most worthless roles there are.

Oh...and thanks HP for modding and letting me replace in.

[CooLDoG]

100% agree

@fitz, you are not the first person to have a policy lynch CooLDoG thing...

[Humble Poirot]

For what's worth, CooLDoG, you were driving that train so maybe you shouldn't laugh that much.

My full comments will come on Thursday morning as I'm incredibly busy today.

I'm mildly dissapointed by the lack of comments but I can understand people trying to get away from this game as fast as possible.

- HP

[deselby]

I f$%#ing hate games with neighbors in them. Most worthless roles there are.

Though I was happy to have the neighbours in the game, they do seem "worthless" as far as aiding any faction.

@HP - what was the thinking behind including neighbours? Was it just to add intrigue, or to affect balance in some way?

[Humble Poirot]

Good neighbors can be an asset to town. I know because I've been there. In a town neighborhood. It's safe to assume from the start that the other one is scum just to prevent foul play but, as you go, you can manage to build trust and use it to your advantage.

It puts town and scum in interesting situations. There's a bit more outguessing the mod, there's 2 less VTs but no addition of game-breaking power roles.

I think these neighbors worked quite well for a while, with don being sometimes scummy and xvart being pro-town. The fact that don claimed first made him less likely to be scum, as scum would prefer killing the neighbor before anyone could make the connection. I do not think the problem here relied on neighbors. Scum's actions were mainly decided by the PR info they got n1 so they pretty much had an optimal night strategy which they followed. Town's problem ran along the lines of most town players being scummy, impatient and those who were pro-town enough and stopped to think before acting didn't take an active role in stopping all the madness that ensued.

The last choice is just playing the old neighbor WIFOM having 4 townies and 2 town neighbors (unconfirmed alignment). The effectiveness of the role depends on the paranoia and trust they can exert to each other and the ideas that other players might have about setups with neighbors.
It might be a good way to provide diversity if [...] seems too much of a bonus for town. If none of these are good. We can always go for 6 townies but diversity is key to prevent frustration of players who dislike mountainous-like scenarios.

But I shouldn't be writing this right now. :S

I'll provide further explanations and highlights on

Thursday

Friday.

HP

PS: If anyone ever wants a co-mod or backup-mod count me in. I still won't be able to play for a while and the mod queue is extremely long.

[xvart]

Sorry for my delay in responding; been a busy week. Good game, everyone. My sincerest apologies to don for doubting him in the final hour. Sorry for my play early game. I wish I would have pushed on Parama harder; I always felt an itch that Parama was scum but it was all so roundabout and circumstantial that I never could have pushed it without looking scummy myself. This game is further proof for me that I need to focus on not tunneling so hard and step back and look at the bigger picture once in a while. I was having serious deja vu with this game and the early D1 one shot vig claim since that exact thing was claimed in another game I was playing at the time.

Did the scum QT get released?

Thanks Humble for modding and inviting me to play. I liked the setup, although I now can say I hate being a neighbor due to the constant doubt. Looking back, I now realize that what I did in the final night of the QT with don I was basically setting him up to be scum no matter what, which I shouldn't have done.

I don't remember who it was, maybe havingfitz that made a very valid point about Beck refusing to follow the town's direction and the comparison to the people that strung him up were wrong so why should he trust their judgement. That was an astute observation and should be said more often in similar situations.

[Humble Poirot]

They were all in the role pm post:

The scum Quicktopic is here
Dead QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/qupBawDpadSK
The Neighbor Quicktopic is here

I'll post my notes soon. Just need to finish something for work tomorrow. Hell of a week.

[Beck]

Eagerly awaiting to read your notes

[don_johnson]

dead qt is the most active i've seen. i enjoyed the challenge of being neighbors and i am satisfied to have read my neighbor correctly. you can't win 'em all, but players in this game should learn from it. day 1 pr lynches are always bad. only other thing beck could have been was sk. scum rarely, if ever, claim vig(let alone one-shot). sorry beck, had i been able to be more active i would have done everything i could have to stop that lynch.