Succession Mafia II: OVER!

[Magister Ludi]

Amrun, in your opinion, who is the best player remaining in this game?

[Amrun]

Best as in most talented?

I decline to answer that.

Best as in most likely to be town (besides myself)?

Herodotus.

[Magister Ludi]

Yeah, as in if you were a cult you would want on your side at some point during the game.

I figured Yosarian for myself, which Is why i've been jailing him every night. You?

[Amrun]

I probably respect Yosarian's play the most, yes, and I have heard he makes excellent scum. I can imagine him being a popular recruit choice - but then agin, he could have been avoided by a smart team anticipating that, especially if his reads were incorrect.

Going down the road of lynching someone using solely this logic is a slippery slope, though.

I think if I were cult, I would actively avoid being so predictable.

[Magister Ludi]

I'm not going down any road, I'm just asking your opinion.

I don't think I implied anywhere we would be lynching this person.

[Amrun]

I realize that.

I was just stating my opinion that I do not think such things should be considered heavily in whom we should lynch.

Seeing as how you've been stringing up xvart and zdenek, I can already see you're not doing that.

[Nobody Special]

Also I'd like each of you to confirm base location for my watching - this list is based on the clippings and assumption so would like this corrected.

Name	Location
John "Nobody Special" Doe, Business Owner	7. Delaware Daddy's

If you do not correct something which is incorrect in this list & I find out via a watch - I'll consider it as a "culled" claim.

This is not the base location that is mentioned in my Role PM. I am not clear whether (or why) I should claim what my actual base location is.

Is it possible that more than one player can share a particular base location?

[ooba]

Lets also ask this now. Why does 14 have that red explosion about it. And what is the place with a question mark on it?

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?tit ... uaymap.png

14 is obviously the Godfather Lounge - which gets blown up at the start of the game. No idea about the "?".

@NS, my watcher ability works by targeting locations and not people. Obviously if I get the location wrong, I cannot watch who I want to watch.

[Nobody Special]

Can any non-ooba player think of any reason I shouldn't claim my base location?

[Zdenek]

Also, we've played two games together; you've been town once and scum once, but I've been wrong both times. Is that correct?

Oops yes. I misremembered a game with pappums rat for one with you.

Assume I am your cult master, and told you to kill Andrius. Now, days later it is time for mass claim. Tell me how scum would explain that kill to town.

For instance: I reread during the night and didn't like such and such . . . .

I'm willing to lynch Zdenek for his post about Battousai vs. NS.

Since there is nothing scummy about it, you are being ridiculous.

[Battousai]

Zdenek- Don't give me that BS. Tell me how you would have gotten away with viging Andrius right now. What did Andrius post that made him look like scum?

[Zdenek]

Zdenek- Don't give me that BS. Tell me how you would have gotten away with viging Andrius right now. What did Andrius post that made him look like scum?

That is not what I am arguing. I just don't think that scum would use the excuse for vigging someone that Nobody Special did. If you think scum would use that reason, show me an example of it.

[bvoigt]

@ooba: What are your thoughts on Zdenek?

[Yosarian2]

OOba: Fine, fine, you can say I've been defending Xvart and might be scum if he is, that makes logical sense. What it dosn't do is explain why you're voting for him, like at all. Nothing in your post does. You analyze 8 people and then vote for someone you don't even mention anywhere else in your post.

This is really the biggest reason why I just can't get behind the Xvart wagon here. Scummy looking people (Ooba, Zdenek, ect) just keep getting on the bandwagon for really weak excuses. It could be a bussing, but considering how few mislynches the town can afford here, I'm really thinking the whole cult is just pushing for a mislynch here.

[ConSpiracy]

Anything else to say from the last few pages? I believe I asked you a question.

Naah...
I like the NS suspicions, he may be SK. I do not believe him to be cult though, because a Andrius kill would be soo fail. Xvart is town.
That is basicly every thing I guess.

You still haven't answered why they would have an unrecruitable role PM.

*sigh*
Again, the most anti-cult role is the cult-doc pm. In this game the cult-doc is unrecruitable. 1+1=?

[ooba]

OOba: Fine, fine, you can say I've been defending Xvart and might be scum if he is, that makes logical sense. What it dosn't do is explain why you're voting for him, like at all. Nothing in your post does. You analyze 8 people and then vote for someone you don't even mention anywhere else in your post.

This is really the biggest reason why I just can't get behind the Xvart wagon here. Scummy looking people (Ooba, Zdenek, ect) just keep getting on the bandwagon for really weak excuses. It could be a bussing, but considering how few mislynches the town can afford here, I'm really thinking the whole cult is just pushing for a mislynch here.

Fair enough point. It's my playstyle:
I can't link from my phone but you should check out Battle for Olympus Mafia where I on D1
- Spend more time discussing town reads (namely chess)
- Look at the rest (PoE) and see who's attacking who (and conversely who's soft defending who) and look at a possible scum team from there
<wifom>And seriously, if I'm cult, i'd jump on with much better looking cases.</wifom>

@bvoigt: Zednek's mostly town cause scummy people joining his wagon. (Yos, Cons, Doc.Tajo-Amrun)

[ConSpiracy]

BTW, ooba, that is not my starting place.

[bvoigt]

You still haven't answered why they would have an unrecruitable role PM.

*sigh*
Again, the most anti-cult role is the cult-doc pm. In this game the cult-doc is unrecruitable. 1+1=?

So they get a very valuable piece of fakeclaiming information solely to combat the cult doc.

[Kinetic]

EVERYONE IS SCUMMY!

hahahahahahahahaha.

[Kinetic]

EVERYONE IS SCUMMY!

hahahahahahahahaha.

I've got an idea. Why don't you lynch someone on both sides of the scummy debate, and whoever comes up scum you kill everyone on that side?

[Magister Ludi]

It could be a bussing, but considering how few mislynches the town can afford here, I'm really thinking the whole cult is just pushing for a mislynch here.

maybe, though that depend on the size of the cult right now. How many do you think there are?

I think this is the xvart wagon:

Magister Ludi, Cobblerfone, Bunnylover,

Amrun

, Zdenek, ooba

Now I guess it could be possible that there is a ton of cult on there. Though to analyze who is cult before xvart flips one way or the other is illogical, if he flips cult then everyone on this wagon looks a lot better.

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@Yos

Also, I was considering doing something with my jailkeeping tonight. Have someone else and you as my choices, and then flip a coin and choose which person to jailkeep. It has the potential of out WIFOMing Kinetic, and blocking a recruit since he won't know where I'm going, and if you have a power-role that is powerful enough to help the town, you have a chance to use it.

[Flameaxe]

BTW, ooba, that is not my starting place.

This.

[Yosarian2]

maybe, though that depend on the size of the cult right now. How many do you think there are?

At most 5; 3 or 4 is more likely. We probably lose if we make 2-3 more mislynches.

I think this is the xvart wagon:

Magister Ludi, Cobblerfone, Bunnylover,

Amrun

, Zdenek, ooba

Now I guess it could be possible that there is a ton of cult on there. Though to analyze who is cult before xvart flips one way or the other is illogical, if he flips cult then everyone on this wagon looks a lot better.

The order of voting is really important here; the thing that really bothers me is the way that 2 people on top of my scum list (Zdenek and ooba) jumped onto a large bandwagon without giving any reasons that make sense. That looks like a group of scum pushing for a mislynch to me, possibly in order to prevent the competing bandwagon (Zdenek, in this case) from succeeding.

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@Yos

Also, I was considering doing something with my jailkeeping tonight. Have someone else and you as my choices, and then flip a coin and choose which person to jailkeep. It has the potential of out WIFOMing Kinetic, and blocking a recruit since he won't know where I'm going, and if you have a power-role that is powerful enough to help the town, you have a chance to use it.

Yeah, that's fine. I think the real problem is that the people we really want to protect tonight are the claimed power roles. If Hero has a confirmed innocent that's not a power role, that'd be ideal.

[Cobblerfone]

Paul Cobblerfone, Teamster 9. Lloyd-Adams Transfer and Storage

Incorrect.

Ooba's post makes me think he's still town though the location asking is off-putting. I still haven't reread yet.

[Nobody Special]

I'm glad I'm not the only one concerned with the location interrogation.