Mafia 137 - Neruzian Era Mafia SERIAL KILLER WIN!

[David Xanatos]

How exactly does that put me on the scumlist? o_0

[mastin2]

Spoiler: list

1. Empking <--Scum.
2. edmund.angles <--Scum.
3. PranaDevil MintKitten Zdenek
5. Bowser <--Town.
6. vezokpiraka
7. GreyICE <--Town, via ICE/Pine.
8. Uprising chkflip <--Former scum-lean.
9. Torqez Hezlucky <--Town.
10. Maxous <--Town.
11. malpascp
13. Pine David Xanatos <--Scum, via ICE/Pine.
14. pappums rat <--Scum?
15. warriormode
16. Tomie Uzumaki sorgster <--Former scumread.
17. Hiraki (May Need Replacing?)
19. SomeRandomGuy
20. zMuffinMan <--Town.

Narrowed down:
1. Empking <--Scum.
2. edmund.angles <--Scum.
3. PranaDevil MintKitten Zdenek
6. vezokpiraka (town-lean)
7. GreyICE <--Town, via ICE/Pine.
8. Uprising chkflip <--Former scum-lean.
11. malpascp (stronger town-lean)
13. Pine David Xanatos <--Scum, via ICE/Pine.
14. pappums rat <--Scum?
15. warriormode (strong town-lean)
16. Tomie Uzumaki sorgster <--Former scumread.
17. Hiraki (May Need Replacing?)
19. SomeRandomGuy


One of my current scumreads is wrong, unless they're the SK. My previous (former) scumreads also look like potential SK candidates, but otherwise, town.

Need to re-evaluate the game right now. See what fits where.

[Empking]

Unvote

Vote: Edmund

[mastin2]

GreyICE-Pine interactions were not townVtown, hence why I tried to encourage them further. The fact that I was unable to do so only solidified this as true.

I'm slightly suspicious of there being one scum in {SRG, Pine, warrior},

Could've sworn I brought this up more often, but can't find it in my ISO. It's certainly in my notes, though. (Searching for GreyICE in my ISO might give more, since he was the one which I leaned scum on up 'til Toon's flip.)

[David Xanatos]

VOTE: Edmund

I want to hear the explanation too now that I've looked back.. don't know if I'd carry it directly to lynch, but I want answers..

[warriormode]

Yea I think edmund is a good call for scum

Vote: Edmund

[David Xanatos]

Hmm.. I assumed Pine was inactive here, as he was everywhere else. Thanks for that.. not quite sure why you jump to the conclusion that we're Scum though (Pine and by extension myself) though.. I'd have to ask, why would I have argued for Hiplop's Townieness if he was the easy mislynch and I was Scum?

[warriormode]

wait David and Empiking are on this wagon. Fuck that

unvote

[GreyICE]

wait David and Empiking are on this wagon. Fuck that

unvote

Empking is town.

It happens.

[David Xanatos]

Uuh, what?

Your only reference to me is a wild claim that I wanted to "drop the hammer".. despite it only being L-1 and when he claimed VT, my taking my vote

off

based on the reasoning that Scum simply wouldn't claim VT day 1...

[David Xanatos]

Also, GreyICE said I was "scum w/hiplop"..

Hiplop flipped Town.. how exactly does that vein continue? o_0

[GreyICE]

@GI: I consider TF a better lynch-candidate than either Pappum's or hiplop and at present on par with Bowser, that is not the point. The point is that this day has to end and TF is the smallest wagon with active players on it.

In fact, if you go Bowser, I'll help you with either TF or Hiraki D2, your choice. Might just do it anyway.

Edmund's plea to me.

He flips scum, Bowser is confirmed town, as is Hiraki - that 'I'll help you' is totally one scum, one town, with hopes to bump me onto the town.

So no deadline.

Edmund.angles will now vote for ToonFighter or give me good solid reasons for believing he's town or I kill him today, and I WILL GET HIM LYNCHED.

@GI: How about I haven't actually played in a large normal before nor a game with a deadline suspension.

See that question dodge? I noted the deadline suspension and asked Edmund why he thought TF was town.

He responded that he DIDN'T EXPECT THE DEADLINE SUSPENSION.

And he didn't vote for ToonFighter.

In fact his vote came weeks later, deep in the 'good time to bus' period.

Sure, Hiplop might have been white knighting captain listmania the ungodly, which is a tad distracting, but I don't forget things. I told you that I would get you lynched, Edmund, told you that your only hope was to listen.

You have no hopes, Edmund. You derped up big time and hard.

[GreyICE]

Uuh, what?

Your only reference to me is a wild claim that I wanted to "drop the hammer".. despite it only being L-1 and when he claimed VT, my taking my vote

off

based on the reasoning that Scum simply wouldn't claim VT day 1...

I didn't say anything about your alignment. In point of fact, you've been in this game for such a short time and have generally played so weirdly that I don't have any read on your alignment with Hiplop town.

Way to assume I had a scum read, David. Way to overreact. What are you so guilty about?

[David Xanatos]

I'm gonna sheep ICE. Which puts David on the scumlist by proxy.

Xanatos scum w/ hiplop. Kill after red flip day 2. Also acceptable vig, Martin still v pro-town shot.

[GreyICE]

Uh okay.

See I have no idea what Mastin is doing and haven't since, oh... his first damn post in the thread.

Leave me out of any beef you have with him. I think he's town, but well etc.

[David Xanatos]

See, I think he's Town too.

I just have absolutely no idea what train of logic he's following, or indeed, if he's spouting some eldritch babble that Lovecraft would have been proud of..

[sorgster]

Spoiler: list

1. Empking <--Scum.
2. edmund.angles <--Scum.
3. PranaDevil MintKitten Zdenek
5. Bowser <--Town.
6. vezokpiraka
7. GreyICE <--Town, via ICE/Pine.
8. Uprising chkflip <--Former scum-lean.
9. Torqez Hezlucky <--Town.
10. Maxous <--Town.
11. malpascp
13. Pine David Xanatos <--Scum, via ICE/Pine.
14. pappums rat <--Scum?
15. warriormode
16. Tomie Uzumaki sorgster <--Former scumread.
17. Hiraki (May Need Replacing?)
19. SomeRandomGuy
20. zMuffinMan <--Town.

Narrowed down:
1. Empking <--Scum.
2. edmund.angles <--Scum.
3. PranaDevil MintKitten Zdenek
6. vezokpiraka (town-lean)
7. GreyICE <--Town, via ICE/Pine.
8. Uprising chkflip <--Former scum-lean.
11. malpascp (stronger town-lean)
13. Pine David Xanatos <--Scum, via ICE/Pine.
14. pappums rat <--Scum?
15. warriormode (strong town-lean)
16. Tomie Uzumaki sorgster <--Former scumread.
17. Hiraki (May Need Replacing?)
19. SomeRandomGuy


One of my current scumreads is wrong, unless they're the SK. My previous (former) scumreads also look like potential

SK

candidates, but otherwise, town.

Need to re-evaluate the game right now. See what fits where.

It could be a vigilante instead of a sk.

[Maxous]

We could have both either.
Still I don't think there is much point in speculating on it at this stage.
VOTE: Edmund Angles

[sorgster]

VOTE: Edmund

Someone said they were a daycop, can u plz investigate edmund?

[GreyICE]

Lets see, Lewarcher had 26 information-low posts in the thread and took especial time not to comment on anything much among the major wagons except to dramatically oppose TF's wagon.

That would make him a very good Vigilante shot, since his information-light posts were scummy, short, and infrequent, meaning that even if he was town, he was fairly useless, and he was better than likely active-lurking scum.

By the law of large games, all vigilantes are incompetent hero vigs who decide that their amazing reads trump all common sense, logic, and sanity, and aim for the most amazing people in the hopes of being able to brag in the post game "No one knew he was scum except me, I shot him when none of you would have touched him, and I won the game." Of course 19 times in 20, the active poster making lots of reads and who was widely read as pro-town and interested in the game was actually... a pro-town townie, making reads, and interested in the game, but that never stops them for shooting for that 5% hero kill.

Option 1

: Competent Vig in a large.

Option 2:

Serial Killer

Just on general principle, I'll believe 2, because in a large game a SK is more likely to make pro-town shots in my experience.

[GreyICE]

VOTE: Edmund

Someone said they were a daycop, can u plz investigate edmund?

*cough*

I have a way to mod-confirm him, but I need a few more townies voting for him first.

[HezLucky]

VOTE: Edmund

Someone said they were a daycop, can u plz investigate edmund?

*cough*

I have a way to mod-confirm him, but I need a few more townies voting for him first.

Vote: edmund

sheeping the all-town all-star GreyICE.

[Zdenek]

The theory I am going to work under for the time being is a single scum team with a vig or SK. The scum team took out hiplop because after Toon Fighter's lynch between the competing wagons, the single scum team would have viewed Hiplop as near confirmed town. The SK/Vig took out lewacher.

Empking:

Empking is scum because his Tomie vote could have been sucking up to Mastin. His complaint about not wanting people to waste their votes was premature, so it was just an attempt to appear pro-town while not doing anything. He proclaims Pappums Rat to be town for no reason at all. LOL at this:

ISO 483:

hiplop looks town and hHikari should get back on Bowser.

ISO 484:

I'm willing to allow Hikari to get what he wants.

Unvote

Vote: Hiplop

He votes Toon Fighter when it looks like Bowser or Hiplop were more likely to be lynched and without giving a reason, and never pushed the lynch.

Maxous:

He's scum.

Are you making this up?

Oh yeah Mastin, something I was wondering last time, even though it did'nt come into effect.
With the VCA reads does "town" mean 'town' or 'not maifa'.
How does potential third parties figure into it?

Early game time wasting.

As for Toon - 109: The only person I remember bringing any kind of accusation against Mastin was Hiplop.
It does'nt really matter if he 'deserves' it or not this early on. Some people just like to build a wagon early.

This is forced interaction with TF. Here is Toon Fighter's 109:

I just find it strange making a 5-person bandwagon right at the beginning of the game on a player that doesn't seem to have done that much to deserve it. My vote was the first, and a RV, and, since I find no better place to put it, it stays there. But the other player's votes weren't like mine.

What...?
Are you implying we should be basing the first few lynches based on mastin's bandwagon or something?
…
I don't see it. Why is he scummy looking?

Subte defense of Toon Figher, twice.

Post 160, ISO 6, is just him asking questions and not giving his own opinions on things, this goes on for awhile too: ISO 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11,

In 12 he finally gave an opinion, and what is it:

Heh, vezokpiraka both chainsaw defended Hiplop and gave himself an out to suspect Hiplop later in the same post.
I think I know who is flipping red if Hiplop does.

It's an attack on what I suspect are two easy lynches and using a boiler-plate wiki-tell: the chainsaw defense.

Here he is suspicious of GreyICE:

I got a possible solution, tracker - target GreyICE tonight while he stabs things

But in his next post

zMuffiman - whenever you want to stop buddying GreyICE is fine by me.

So he's suspicious of GreyICE, but then attacks zMuffin for buddying him, which as far as I have ever seen it, is scum buddying with a townie, so he's just throwing accusations around and probably trying to drive apart two townies.

Then there is this distancing move:

Next biggest wagon is Toon fighter - I don't think he is scum and a lot of the wagon consists of "just look how scum he is"
Also, as of 871 I would be happy lynching 5 out of the 6 players on the wagon. I don't trust it.

You know,
VOTE: Empking

Page 36 with a wagon that he's pushed all day, the Hiplop one, at L-2, and he's really convinced by Hiplop's reaction to the "hammer" that he's town, I don't buy it, and then he moves his vote to an impossible lynch for D1 in Empking. It makes no sense from a town perspective.

And then he asks

Muffinman - you want to explain why everybody voting Hiplop are derps? Or why you are so confident in your town read of him?

Hiraki:

is scum. He said nothing about Toon Fighter all day, despite being very active, so he's scum.

edmund.angles:

I understand why people think he's scum, but I don't really think that his vote on Toon Fighter was bussing.

I'm going to start here

Vote: Maxous

GreyICE, why is Hiraki comfirmed town?

[Maxous]

So he's suspicious of GreyICE, but then attacks zMuffin for buddying him, which as far as I have ever seen it, is scum buddying with a townie, so he's just throwing accusations around and probably trying to drive apart two townies.

I suspected Grey of being third party.
=> mafia could still buddy him.

As for the empking vote I did'nt agree with the top 3 wagons and there was about 3 days. I did'nt see it as impossible.

[Empking]

ISO 483:

hiplop looks town and hHikari should get back on Bowser.

ISO

617

:

I'm willing to allow Hikari to get what he wants.

Unvote

Vote: Hiplop

FTFY