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DemonHybrid wrote:hahonryuu wrote:Still not seeing where the vote came from. I thought it was shifty to have a second vote on someone so early. I vote for you. This makes me scum....how exactly?
Because you don't understand how RVS works and you are scum, opportunistically trying to pin me starting an RVS wagon as scummy.
But there's just one thing about what you did... you voted for someone without any logic or reasoning at all(RVS logic or not) and in the RVS that is scummy.
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Uh...no, it's not? You of all people, nintendo, should know at this point that RVS votes with or without reasoning are null, and those on a bandwagon are meant to end RVS by pressuring the person on the other end.
Are you protecting ryu?[/quote]
If RVS votes are null, then why is it not too early to call people scum?
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Hikari Link wrote:
Link please. This could be some solid evidence if DH was scum that game.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 3#p2992663
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DemonHybrid wrote:Also, Timeater, me calling Link and Empking are relevant to the game and are not meant to be a detour. As well, my interaction with Link happened between the posts of #44 and #51, with the only interaction of another player being Empking correcting himself. So, what exactly was I trying to distract everyone from?
Not meant to be a detour? Doesn't mean it wasn't.
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Zdenek wrote:hahryuu is new, so I don't care about his early vote. DH's response to it is reasonable. It was quite a townie way to start the game. It got us out of RVS quickly and it was aggressive.
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But there's just one thing about what you did... you voted for someone without any logic or reasoning at all(RVS logic or not) and in the RVS that is scummy.
There is no reason why failing to provide RVS reasoning should be scummy. This is dumb scum making up a reason to say something is scummy.
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Also, it is way too early to be calling anyone scum. Seriously, we're on page one.
No, it's not.
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apparently not.but that doesn't make me scum.that means I don't understand RVS. Besides, why thank you for ending RVS with a vote on someone with no explanation? if you are going to end it, wouldn't it be better to do it with a vote that has, i dunno...something to go off of? I saw something shifty and i address it. I'm sorry if there's something wrong with calling out a shifty action. I was under the assumption that's how things get done in here =/
Scum caught for the wrong reason.
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@The person that voted me(idk the name) http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 345213this is the quote I was talking about.
DemonHybrid wrote:I always claim at L-2, and I'm a vanilla townie.
I don't have time to talk to twisted, but you're missing the obvious dissonance on Timeater between posts like...
Timeater wrote:Gonna have to disagree with DH about his point in 17#. Not defending or attacking, just disagreeing. (OMG Timeater overly cautious and nervous scum!)
@Empking
Who is the second best player here?
@nintendo
How much information is needed to end the RVS?
Timeater wrote:Requesting meta citation on DH's playstyle if anyone has played with him before.
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Timeater wrote:Vote: DemonHybrid
Demon, a question for you. Why did you take it upon yourself to answer my request in #26 then proceed to not really say anything?
1. You say you dont have a meta but contradict yourself by saying you play quietly as scum.
2. "Go review my games" is not an adequate response to my post in #26 by any standard. So why even say it.
Post #28 has left me somewhat baffled.
@everyone but demon
Demon's initial reaction to ryuu could be considered townie response, considering his level of passion. But said passion only came after he was bullied into justifications. Demon assumes town is a certain way only and anything that deviates from what he conceives of what town should be is suspect. It doesn't seem like he's willing to account for the fact that ryuu might be a noob, or that simply that there is not alot of weight attached to the attack on him. There are countless variables he seems unwilling to account for. It seems fishy. His past few posts have been a little off. "Hikari and Emp are town" - "Link are you so sharp/experienced". Seems like a nice little detour for the pressure on him.
This.
Wake the fuck up.
Nice deflection. Seriously. You almost had me convinced you were town there for a second.not.
Twistedspoon wrote:"I'm not the scummiest look at timeater"
you stand out more than timeater right now DH, and I don't approve of the deflection, but should you flip town I'd be more than happy to look at timeater in light of your flip. I've given my opinions on him already. His meta obession is a little odd, but I've never seen scum use it before as a weapon or contradiction device. Unless he's meta'd you himself there isn't much he can say on your meta really
I think he's genuine though and he believes he's caught scum, whether he's right or wrong. Timeater isn't high on my concerns list right now
This. All of it.
DemonHybrid wrote:Twistedspoon wrote:well thanks for "skimming my case"
I "skimmed" your post and it was strawmanning
But is it? Really?
You fucking voted me for two "compliments", both which were not even fucking compliments, so guess who's doing the fucking strawmanning?
I'm not speaking again in this game until people start questioning both Timeater's fucking case, his will to put me in an inescapable position AND his timing. Until then, go ahead and fucking lynch me. I always get lynched in games where people don't understand shit about what's going on.
So, you will lurk until we do what you want us to? -_-'
DemonHybrid wrote:I skimmed it because I have an RA meeting in 2 minutes, and I'm on my phone. If I had the time, I'd be going in depth. Like everything else misrepresenting me in this game,my skimming of your case =/= I don't care for it. I do, I just don't have time.
So, is it that you don't care for the case? Or you don't have the time? Make up your mind, please.
DemonHybrid wrote:Empking wrote:Zdenek wrote:First of all, the probability that an RVS wagon on scum gets driven up to L-2 like that is close to 0, so lynching DH for his attack on hohanryuu would be stupid.
no
Not much time. I agree with empking that this is wrong.
So, you agree that lynching you wouldnotbe stupid? Okay.
Timeater wrote:btw not impressed by the vt claim (obviously)
You said it, brah.
I think TS has been goodposting this game. I haven't played with him that much, but his play has... changed. I can't put my finger on it.
DemonHybrid wrote:Fixing to replace out of this shit if pRo ScUmMeR **>tImEaTeR<** dA kInG feels like it, since he's the better player!!!
You want to replace out because... your pissed off?
Vote: DH
Oh, and the part that HL posted about "Good answer on that last part" I thought something was off with that post, I was just tired at the time and had to get to bed. Which brings me to tell you all that I will be at work in the mornings and early afternoons.-
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Ankamius wrote:nintendoaddict1 wrote:Ankamius wrote:Post#20: @Nintendo: How is not having a reason to vote in the RVS (which has Random right in the name) scummy?
Even RVS votes have reasons.
But how is it scummy?
It's scummy because he didn't try to giveanyreasoning at all for the vote.
Maruchan wrote:Now see, if I had JUST been called out for the DH vote, I would have JUST defended my vote and why DH is scummy. But I was called out for the DH vote AND voted on. I foundthe more pressing matter is to prove my innocence, because of the vote on me. And it would also effectively explain my vote on DH at the same time.
If you are town, town shouldn't have to try to be innocent, scum have to do that.
Ankamius wrote:The problem with this is that town has little to no reason to argue their innocence over a suspicious player's guilt. Town knows that they are innocent, so they don't have to hide their guilt. Mafia have to blend in, so they have to keep suspicion off themselves.
A single vote honestly isn't much of a threat when there are 12 players alive. Being defensive from a single vote placed on you is going to raise a few eyebrows.
And then I read this. Good.
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Twistedspoon wrote:
well it is theRandomvoting stage
reasons aren't neccessary in RVS
Not necessary, no, but they are still used a lot.
Link: "Are you a Day Vig? Did you really just Vig a townie like that!? Is that even a thing? I've heard about it in another game, but I don't really know if it exists."
You know he's a townie? Wow.
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Hikari Link wrote:nintendoaddict1 wrote:Twistedspoon wrote:
well it is theRandomvoting stage
reasons aren't neccessary in RVS
Not necessary, no, but they are still used a lot.
Link: "Are you a Day Vig? Did you really just Vig a townie like that!? Is that even a thing? I've heard about it in another game, but I don't really know if it exists."
You know he's a townie? Wow.
Vote: Link
Yeah, cause he's like obvtown as hell. I'm in 3 games with him and I'm noticing like no variations. Seems unlikely he's scum in all three.
Using on-going games(especially ones in which you have not seen his flip) are moot points to use.-
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Ankamius wrote:nintendoaddict1 wrote:Twistedspoon wrote:
well it is theRandomvoting stage
reasons aren't neccessary in RVS
Not necessary, no, but they are still used a lot.
So how is it scummy?
I told you already. Though random, RVS votes have reasoning behind them. iirc DH said he was trying to end RVS with his vote. But he stated no reason with his vote therefore we only have his word for it.
Maruchan wrote:then so is using past games, as meta is meta is meta. Meta is the same if you've finished or if its ongoing. Meta is the same if you flipped or not. Meta is Meta is Meta. If you EVER use Meta as a tell in any game whatsoever, then you're calling it a moot point right now.
No, because in those on-going games, we have no idea what Link's alignment is, so what proof is it that he says he has similar reads on someone in all three games? He could be mafia in all three of those for all we know. So, yes, him saying he has town reads on someone in other games is moot.
Hikari Link wrote:
It's not to me when I have a town read on him in each game. The point is whatIthink of him.
It is to everyone here because we have no idea what your alignment is in those games. Therefore, whether you have town reads on someone in another game or not is a useless point to bring up. And your town reads inothergames have no place inthisgame.[/quote]
Mod, please delete the other two posts. I had a tag fail twice. :/-
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Hikari Link wrote:nintendoaddict1 wrote:Hikari Link wrote:
It's not to me when I have a town read on him in each game. The point is whatIthink of him.
It is to everyone here because we have no idea what your alignment is in those games. Therefore, whether you have town reads on someone in another game or not is a useless point to bring up. And your town reads inothergames have no place inthisgame.
No, but it means I have a meta read on him. All that matters is how I read him, therefore I can say confidently I believe he is town, regardless of anything else.
You... what... I...
the definition of meta is seeing how another person has played as a specific alignment before, meaning you would have seen the flip or know they are a certain alignment, so, no, you cannot say that you have meta from an on-going game.-
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Twistedspoon wrote:Zdenek wrote:The only thing that I will say at this point is that Timeater is online and not commenting. His failure to react gives him massive scum points and he's a fantastic lynch for today.
point noted, but are you a vig or not Zdenek? Concealing info doesn't rest well with me right now
So, everyone should claim right now because you don't like that you don't know our roles?-
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hahonryuu wrote:nintendoaddict: or heck, maybe the rage quit was scummy in some way and was relevant to the case?
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you later claim you were just tired...but i dunno.
Yes, the quitting part made me think even more that DH was acting scummy. I've seen townDH under fire before, and I don't recall him ever getting so mad as to quit. That makes me doubt he was townDH here.
And about being tired, I found myself entertained by watching the floor today... yeah...
don_johnson wrote:i will place my ethereal vote on timeeater... NOW.
Okay, here's a question: Why did you feel the need to add that to your post?
don_johnson wrote:i am willing to help now, andi am willing to lend my vote to the popular lynch.
Do I really need to say why this is scummy? *AHEM* 'I will put my vote on whoever has the most votes.'
don_johnson wrote:i'd rather those of you who are paying attention, simply pose questions which can help direct my focus. if not,then consider my catch-up post as being "blah blah blah, vote: timeeater."
So, you seem to be sure of yourself and set on voting for Timeater. And essentially you just gave us your catch-up post there. So, why not vote him yet?
Twistedspoon wrote:So whilst we're waiting for mysterio and a claim from Time.... (this game has a lot of waiting imho)
@nintendo: what do you think of empking and zdenek?
Empking needs to post more content. Now-ish.
Zdenek has been posting content and scumhunting.
don_johnson wrote:
vote: maruchan
why are we voting maru? i notice you answered my question 6 or 7 pages ago, but can you elaborate on the case?
Wait... I don't understand... you were ready to vote Timeater and now... this? michaeljacksonpopcorn.swf
And then you say that next sentence which makes me headdesk so hard. If you don't know the case on someone thenwhyare you voting for them?
Twistedspoon wrote:that Nintendo....
I just feel he could do with a bit more pressure for some reason....
he just seems one of my foggiest reads
Could you explain this a bit more?
don_johnson wrote:
unvote, vote ankamius
see, i didn't even have to do all that reading and i have found you guys your first scum.(hint: both maruchan and timeeater are likely town at this point.)
your welcome.
My head... you are hurting me...
This is your second vote since you had clear intent to vote Timeater, and now you say he is likely town? I'm not buying this. Actually, I want a refund.
UNVOTE: VOTE: DJ-
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Maruchan wrote:I agree @ the not buying it, DJ, what made you flip so drastically on timeater's alignment? First you're ready to lynch him and be done with it, and then 1 post of his later, he is likely-town.
nintendoaddict (some numbers) wrote:michaeljacksonpopcorn.swf
I LOL'ed
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don_johnson wrote:nintendoaddict1 wrote:
don_johnson wrote:i will place my ethereal vote on timeeater... NOW.
Okay, here's a question: Why did you feel the need to add that to your post?
why not?
Don't dodge it, answer the question. Thank you.
don_johnson wrote:nintendo wrote:don_johnson wrote:i am willing to help now, andi am willing to lend my vote to the popular lynch.
Do I really need to say why this is scummy? *AHEM* 'I will put my vote on whoever has the most votes.'
please explain. in my experience, when catching up in a thread on day 1, the read is often skewed to the point where the player who has drawn the most votes will often be a person of interest. without any frame of reference other than my own role pm, i find that almost 99% of the time a day 1 catch up ends up in voting the most popular wagon. if it doesn't end up that way, then you should be looking into why. for instance, someone not voting the popular wagon is trying to avoid it. players avoid wagons for reasons. if their reasons don't make sense, then they are either scum avoiding a scum wagon, or scum avoiding a town wagon. if their reasons make sense, then maybe they are town trying to do the right thing. or just good scum. either way, its day 1. get over yourself. the popular wagon is the one who gets lynched. in fact, thats how the game works every day. and seeing as how lynching is towns only way of getting rid of possible scum, voting the popular wagon is more of a sign of someone willing to be part of a team than someone trying to sow the seeds of dissension. seeing as how my vote is now on someone completely different and that i have stated i think time is likely town, your argument holds no water anyway. so whatever. voting the "popular" wagon might be scummy on days 2 or 3 if the person previously did the same thing on earlier days and all the wagon(s) flipped town. not on day 1 though.
I see in here:
1. Saying sheeping is NOT a bad thing.
2. Downplaying what I did.
3. Saying that the popular wagon should be lynched.
Well, guess what? the popular wagon tends to usually be on a townie on D1.
don_johnson wrote:nintendo wrote:don_johnson wrote:i'd rather those of you who are paying attention, simply pose questions which can help direct my focus. if not,then consider my catch-up post as being "blah blah blah, vote: timeeater."
So, you seem to be sure of yourself and set on voting for Timeater. And essentially you just gave us your catch-up post there. So, why not vote him yet?
because that would put him at L-1. that risks ending the day early. i already explained this. are you paying attention, or are you deliberatle y asking stupid questions to make it look like you are participating when you are, in fact, doing nothing useful?
Again, downplaying the points against you.
don_johnson wrote:nintendo wrote:
Zdenek has been posting content and scumhunting.
examples please. quote some of zdeneks posts where you believe he has been scumhunting. not only will this serve to bolster your defense of his play, but it will also serve as a good example to the rest of us as to what you believe good scumhunting to actually be.
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p3346689
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p3349373
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p3352188
don_johnson wrote:nintendo wrote:And then you say that next sentence which makes me headdesk so hard. If you don't know the case on someone thenwhyare you voting for them?
i didn't like maru's tone, noticed twistedspoon was voting him and that he had aqcuried a couple votes. competing bandwagons are always good for town. placing my vote on timeeater in spirit doesn't mean i have to neglect to use it elsewhere.
If you didn't like his tone then why did you ask why there were votes on him? You had your reason, didn't you? You didn't like his tone.
don_johnson wrote:nintendo wrote:don_johnson wrote:
unvote, vote ankamius
see, i didn't even have to do all that reading and i have found you guys your first scum.(hint: both maruchan and timeeater are likely town at this point.)
your welcome.
My head... you are hurting me...
This is your second vote since you had clear intent to vote Timeater, and now you say he is likely town? I'm not buying this. Actually, I want a refund.
considering my only reason for wanting to vote timeeater was because i was avoiding rereading the thread, me changing my vote once i have become engaged in conversation with others really shouldn't come as such a surprise. mafia is a dynamic game. if you and i talk long enough, i will be able to tell you your alignment. its just a matter of putting in some effort. some games, all i read is rvs and then base my entire scumhunting strategy off of what i find(or think i find). sometimes on day 1 i justrandomly vote someoneand then continue to post things like "why isn't x lynched yet?", andthen they get lynched and flip scum. i'm pretty damn amazing if i don't say so myself. oh, i guess i just did.
why are you voting me if you don't think the dh slot is town? considering you are not hgappy with my voting pattern, i find it relevant for you to address yours.
See the bolded part. You said yourself it was random so the chances of hitting scum like that in any given game is only ~25% so not a very good point to bring up.
Why am I voting you? this is mafia. It's a dynamic game. Address my voting pattern?
I voted DH cause of his failplay and subsequent ragequit.
I voted Link because I thought he implied he knew someone was a townie, later I saw that person actually claimed.
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Regfan wrote:I'm not liking Nintendos play so far and I actually have significant meta experience with him, his play has been incredibly off this game and his votes so far haveread as opportunistic and nothing more.
Really? I have, I believe, at least twice voted for someone who had no other votes on them. Mind you, these were not even RVS votes.-
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[quote="The Tick"
Now granted, I was actually wrong in that case. WiganMike was scum (after two replace-outs, we caught his slot) Istill think my logic is sound though[/quote]
Obviously your logic wasnotsound, as the slot replaced out not one, buttwotimes.
Timeater wrote:nintendo what do you think about emp
Still not liking the content levels from him.-
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The Tick wrote:
Now granted, I was actually wrong in that case. WiganMike was scum (after two replace-outs, we caught his slot) Istill think my logic is sound though
Obviously your logic wasnotsound, as the slot replaced out not one, buttwotimes.
Timeater wrote:nintendo what do you think about emp
Still not liking the content levels from him.[/quote]
Fixed. That's whart I get for posting at five in the morning. <.<-
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Regfan wrote:
Nintendoaddict1:There is something very, very off about his play this game and I mean very off. For anyone who is interested in reading into his meta his scum game was Mafia Band 00's and his Town Game was Mini 1160. He has managed to skate by with providing minimal of his own input into this game thus far and I'm not liking it at all. Overall leaning medium scum on him.
I started working last week, but you missed that cause you replaced in and probably didn't see that in the sign-up thread. Thus, I haven't been posting as much because I am working during the day and at night I am doing everything that I would normally do that would take me all day on the computer.-
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First, I'd like to say that I do not support a vig-claim. X-shot or not, they have the ability to kill someone, and used properly that could go a long way. This is all even assuming that the second NK was a vig and not an SK so we really shouldn't even try to figure out how many killing roles town may or may not have as it will get us nowhere.
Maruchan wrote:anyways, here is my reaction to my reading:
Vote: nintendo
I think this is our best bet for hitting scum, as explained below:
Due to a Day 1 lynch on scum, I find it EXTREMELY likely that at least one of those voting for him is scum hoping for +towncred due to bussing.
Let's take a look at the Tick wagon at lynch:
The Tick-Tspoon, Maruchan,Regfan, Timeater, Link, Ankamius, Nintendoaddict1 (L-0!)
I see your name on that list, too.
Maruchan wrote:Why? How else better to get town cred than to be on the Day one wagon into scumville? And of the people on the wagon, the votes most likely to be scum-bussing are those at the beginning or those towards the end.
Hold, on, back that up... let's look at the lynch wagon again...
The Tick-Tspoon,Maruchan,Regfan, Timeater, Link, Ankamius, Nintendoaddict1 (L-0!)
You were the second vote on him. If the votes at thebeginningand the end are scummy, then you are scummy by your own logic.
Maruchan wrote:Why? Scum would either try to get town cred by beginning the bus on a partner, due to this would get them the most town-cred,
Which is exactly what you did. Huh.
Maruchan wrote:OR, scum tend to hold their vote off till they see a useful wagon (like I pointed out The Tick was doing), then hop that wagon. If that wagon happens to be a scum buddy, so be it. Nintendoaddict was the Hammer on this particular wagon, and lets read his hammer post:
nintendoaddict1 wrote:Screw it.
Vote: The Tick.
No explanation as to his vote, so I ISO'd him to see if maybe he explained his vote earlier on. Get this: The ONLY time nintendoaddict has quoted, or said anything at all about The Tick, all game, WAS TO COMMENT ABOUT PAST GAMES.
I was talking about The Tick's reasoning behind a logic he believed to be sound. He said he was wrong about it before, twice in one game, so I said that would make the logic not sound anymore.
Maruchan wrote:So he has avoided saying anything at all (good OR bad) about Tick all game, till he decides to throw in a hammer, without explaining his hammer.
I did say that his logic was not sound. So Ididmention him, in fact, it was negative because I was pointing out a flaw in his so called 'logic'.
Maruchan wrote:On another note, I ISO'd last nights victim, which was relatively easy with only 17 posts, and I find it intersting that nintendo was the second-scummiest player in every one of her reads.
She died because nintendo was feeling unsafe? Or to frame nintendo? Combined with the fact that regfan found nintendo THAT SCUMMY all-game, the fact that mafia were already down one, and the WOW hammer, I think it more likely that regfan died to save nintendo's skin rather than to frame nintendo. I could be wrong however, so I would like to leave this up to discussion.
You think scum would be that stupid? Even if I was scum and wanted to do that, do you really believe my partner(s) would approve of it?
Maruchan wrote:He was also willing to be the hammer on the timeater wagon earlier in the day, when he hadn't really been stating that he saw timeater as scummy. It justseemedlike he was trying to offer to help town with whatever wagon town wanted more than he was trying to hammer someone he thought was scum.
First of all, if it seems like something to you, it can seem radically different to someone else, so that's all based on your perspective of what happened.
Second, I did talk about how I thought timeater was scummy for the whole V/LA-but-not-really-V/LA thing. Also, I never said I would hammer timeater, I? said I would vote for him. Get your facts straight, else they are not facts.
Twistedspoon wrote:I'm not a fan of hellhound at all this game. I feel he is playing very passively.
VOTE: hellhound
this vote is interchangable with a nintendo one i guess
This really comes off to me as setting up for a vote later on someone else without really explaining why.
Twistedspoon wrote:more analysis
Regfan's last reads wrote:Town Reads (From strongest to weakest):Timeater, Maruchan, Ankamius, Zdenek, Hahonryuu, Don.
Null Reads:Link, Empking.
Scum Reads (From strongest to weakest):The Tick,Nintendo,Hellhound, Twistedspoon.
ender241 final vote count wrote:Vote count 9:
Zdenek -
Regfan -
Don_johnson -
Hellhound -
Timeater - Zdenek,Hellhound,Empking
Link (sorry) -
Hahonryuu -
Nintendoaddict -
Empking -
Twistedspoon -
The Tick-Tspoon, Maruchan,Regfan, Timeater, Link, Ankamius,Nintendoaddict1(L-0!)
Maruchan -
Ankamius - Don_johnson
red = conf. scum
green = conf. town
underlined = living regfan scumread (not including myself as I know I'm town and Regfan's cases on me I proved to be nonsense.)
Wait... what? So, basically, you highlighted Regfan's surviving scumreads... but not yourself because you don't want to? We have no way to know you are town, so when making a case based on someone's existing scumreads, and you are ON that list, if you don't underline your name as well you are basically saying that you are town, but we aren't, because you said so. The only logic you give for not including yourself is "I know I'm town." Well, guess what? I could just as easily say the same thing, but I believe the whole calling-oneself-town thing to be purely WIFOM as it cannot be confirmed.
Twistedspoon wrote:looking at this the conclusions from VCA and NK analysis BOTH point to hellhound and nintendo being the last 2 scum. of course whilst neither are perfect methods, the coincidence cannot be ignored.
Actually, it would point to you as scum just as much as either me or hellhound, as you were on the same list that you say makes us scum. Oh, but wait I forgot, youknowyou are town.
Twistedspoon wrote:Nintendo quickhammered flea (probably for towncred) and hellhound has been scummy, and chose the obvtown wagon rather than the scum one.
Them both being scum also point to regfan death
Actually, I hammered because I thought he was scum. And I was right. Do you mean The Tick was obvtown? If so, how the hell was he? Obviously, the majority of us didn't think he was so obvtown seeing as he got lynched. I'm not pointing fingers here, but don't you think scum would want to make their kills strategic so that it would get people whom theyknoware town lynched?
Twistedspoon wrote:A scumteam of hellhound and nintendofits perfectly
Again, a good part of your logic rests on a dead persons reads, a VCA, and a NK. They all point to you as well.
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Twistedspoon wrote:VCA and NK aren't perfect I've said this
however I could go through all the rest of the players and explain why i have townreads on them and I'd still arrive at the same conlcusions
I still have no idea what you're saying here
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Twistedspoon wrote:Nintendo quickhammered flea (probably for towncred) and hellhound has been scummy, and chose the obvtown wagon rather than the scum one.
Them both being scum also point to regfan death
Actually, I hammered because I thought he was scum. And I was right. Do you mean The Tick was obvtown? If so, how the hell was he? Obviously, the majority of us didn't think he was so obvtown seeing as he got lynched. I'm not pointing fingers here, but don't you think scum would want to make their kills strategic so that it would get people whom theyknoware town lynched?
Tick was scummy of course. Your first mention of tick was only a page before your hammer though so I find your hammer rather suspect
If you can explain why everyone else is town, then do it. Otherwise, it would look like you are tunneling on only a couple of people.
I was saying that scum might not have wanted to hit the strongest player, but the one that would most likely cause town to lynch one of it's own.
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not sure what nintendo's excuse is though...
Are you are referring to my play being different than before? Or my fluctuating activity? As I've said, I have been working, thus I am not able to post as much.
Twistedspoon wrote:nintendoaddict1 wrote:Timeater wrote:actually nintendo TS was the second vote on tick, I was the first
My point still stands, it was an early vote.
early votes are before wagons begin so they're hardly scummy
Tick I found scummy ever since Maru pointed out he had never voted. You never cared to explain your quickhammer
If most people see them as not very scummy, scum would want to hide there, wouldn't they?
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Twistedspoon wrote:sure the VCA and NK could be entirely wrong, it's possible. But in light of them both I find it daft to ignore them.
Yet you still would like to ignore the fact that you were also on them.
Twistedspoon wrote:For example I find Don's desire to out the vig rather townie as that would be a way too risky viewpoint for scum to take.
Risk management can be a big tell in many instances
same for zdnek's vig gambit which I have spoken of (and the resultant maru response)
Timeater V DH I have always believed to be town V town and Timeater's genuineness has only enforced this view of mine
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Maruchan wrote:
1. OMGUS sumor. I was buildign a case on what I think looks scummy, and ratehr than refute it you come back and attack me as beign scum? Ok. Nice OMGUSing.
2. You're right I was one of the first or last few votes, and I still stick by what I say. the first few or last few votes usually hold at least one scum. If this puts me in the scumlight for pointing it out, so be it. It needed to be pointed out. On a side note, my vote was actually the THRID, but someone unvoted, if I remember correctly.
3. Please lets not get into the "Do you REALLY think scum would.....?" discussion. I am a lover of WIFOM and WIFOM my ass off when I am scum. By all of your reactions to my assumption that nintendo might have killed the person attacking him, HECK, NEXT TIME I AM SCUM I WILL DO JUST THAT! It seems do work as a defense for why I am not scum (because why would scum ever kill the person attacking them), than it is actually considered. Opening up this door is like asking for a barrel full of WIFOM. My first game on-site, the night kill was analyzed as being a "they targeted him because he suspected scum" kill, due to a players insistence that "I rarely see scum WIFOM kill N1", when the scumteam WIFOM killed N1. NEVER SAY IT WONT HAPPEN, BECAUSE THATS WHEN IT WILL START HAPPENING.
4. You still haven't explained your hammer on him, kaithnxbaigurl.
1. How am I OMGUSing? My vote is on TS.
2. Third vote is =/= early.
3. In that case the whole "Nintendo hammered and Regfan is dead" thing is completely WIFOM.
4. Yes, I have.nintendoaddict1 wrote:Actually, I hammered because I thought he was scum. And I was right.-
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don_johnson wrote:post 15: nintendo avoids commenting on ryu's vote(which was out of rvs), instead choosing to accuse dh of being out of rvs early. interesting defense here. no reason to defend ryu and attack dh here when both are exhibiting similar behavior, ryu moreso.
I didn't avoid it at all, I just had nothing to say about it.
don_johnson wrote:post 20: ryu defense intensifies. no logic to it.
Actually, I was saying DH was scummy for not providing reasoning behind his vote.
don_johnson wrote:nintendo wrote:And agreeing with someone does not mean I am protecting them.
imo, the situation was pretty clear. theres no agreeing going on, there is defense.
imo you have poor perception as to what is defense and what is an agreement.
don_johnson wrote:38 is nintendo trying to cling to a crappy argument. sorry bud, but when you find evidence that doesn't support your case, ignoring it is scummy.
I didn't ignore it, I linked the game I was referring to in that post.-
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[quote="Maruchan"]Please lets not get into the "Do you REALLY think scum would.....?" discussion. I am a lover of WIFOM and WIFOM my ass off when I am scum. By all of your reactions to my assumption that nintendo might have killed the person attacking him, HECK, NEXT TIME I AM SCUM I WILL DO JUST THAT! It seems do work as a defense for why I am not scum (because why would scum ever kill the person attacking them), than it is actually considered. Opening up this door is like asking for a barrel full of WIFOM. My first game on-site, the night kill was analyzed as being a "they targeted him because he suspected scum" kill, due to a players insistence that "I rarely see scum WIFOM kill N1", when the scumteam WIFOM killed N1. NEVER SAY IT WONT HAPPEN, BECAUSE THATS WHEN IT WILL START HAPPENING.[/quote]
Maruchan wrote:No I understand, the WIFOMability of it, everyone was all "scum would never do that" makes it the perfect thing for scum to do
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Maruchan wrote:Oh don't I love that argument.
I explained why I did it, if you don;t like my explanation, too bad.
"I don't want to do this, but but I did it anyway because I had no choice and here's my explanation of why I lied before."
If you don't like the fact that you have just screwed up, then too bad for you. I'mma up my FoS toVote: Maru-
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Maruchan wrote:OI did, I made a nice little case on you, then answered every stupid pointless quote attack you threw at me, then got voted on and pointed out that it was an OMGUS
No, an OMGUS is a vote solely for the purpose of voting someone just because they voted you. I am voting you for being scummy and inconsistent.-
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Maruchan wrote:You didn't find me scummy or inconsistent whatsoever. Til I voted you. then you butthurt make a case on me, then don;t even VOTE me. Then you nitpick my wording. Then you vote me.
Yes I think that is sufficiently OMGUSY
And how would you know what I was thinking? I already had FoS's you so obviously I thought you were scummy, just not as scummy as I thought TS was at the time.
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ender241 wrote:nintendoaddict1 wrote:
P.Edit:Mod,I voted for Maru a few minutes ago.
No you didn't.
nintendoaddict1 wrote:Maruchan wrote:Oh don't I love that argument.
I explained why I did it, if you don;t like my explanation, too bad.
"I don't want to do this, but but I did it anyway because I had no choice and here's my explanation of why I lied before."
If you don't like the fact that you have just screwed up, then too bad for you. I'mma up my FoS toVote: Maru
Yeah, I did. =P-
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Hikari Link wrote:nintendoaddict1 wrote:Timeater wrote:mode switch
I AM NOW 100% SURE LINK IS TOWN
HEY NINTENDO WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT
... I think I know what you are trying to say about you and Link and secret reasons.
That makes 1 of us.
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