thoughts on everyone. btw this will very likely be a wall. err, get used to it >_>. it's habit of mine.
Ankamius: well I believe I have already stated that by the time DH quit he seemed to me like a townie who attempted to scum hunt until a newbie <Have I mentioned I'm sorry for sucking? I'm working on it. Can't get better without playing> screwed things up. then when he did quit his replacement <ankamius> seems town enough to me.
don johnson: got nothing. 2 posts that don't say anything gives me nothing.
Empking: umm...page12. anyway on to my thoughts. you haven't really said anything. you have posted a lot, but havent really said anything. after the confirm and the RVS you make a real vote which is fine and dandy I guess <would've liked a little more than what you gave as a reason, but that early on there isnt exactly a wealth of info and scum tells to go off of>. your next post you are saying Link is town and then compare him to you. sounds like you are advertising yourself more than anything and I don't think I like that. within your next couple posts you call some things out on people briefly then go on to little tidbits of commenting <"No", "that post told me nothing", "that discussion was worth nothing" etc>. then proceed to ask a few people what page it is for whatever reason...I wanna say for inactivity considering at least johnson, mysterio, and myself have posted relatively little. cant recall if the others on the list have, but I suppose if they haven't I'll find out in a bit. if it was, calling me out seems a little pointless since in my last post at the time I stated that I would be posting tonight,a nd relatively late tonight at that since I had work. if inactivity wasn't the reason then, well im curious as to what it was. and i really hope its not something obvious and im brain farting >_>
overall It almost seems like active lurking. posting and staying "active" without seeming to really do anything. so a possible temporary
VOTE: empking until either a satisfactory case comes up or I just find someone more suspicious while ISOing.
Ender: yes, yes i know its the mod. I was just going down the name list and i had a question for him. about your name. reference to the Ender series of books<game, shadow, etc>? or something else? or is it not even a reference and you are just the "ender"?
hellbound: another person who hasn't posted much. but I guess in the little that has been said he seems on the town side of null.
Link: at first seemed to be more of a commentator than a participant. but then, I suppose except for me defending myself and DH attacking me and then defending against the votes he was getting himself, combined with how early it was in the game...pretty much everyone seems that way to an extent. and on some level it wasnt his fault, lots of people either asking questions about his name or trolling him about it. later he seems to start actually playing and seems town enough. though I also dont think I like how confident he was in a "town" getting killed by the "day vig". his explanation seems...well I want to say I believe him, but his explanation seems to be more saying that
in his mind
the "day vig" killed someone he strongly believed was town...but the way he said it originally implies he
knew
he was town. for now I suppose i'll let the explanation slide unless something else comes up
maruchan: long story short I think he's town because of his response to kinda almost sorta getting killed. I mean I guess a mafia could realize that its maybe not a real day vig <or at least consider it> and play town till the death is official just in case...but I dunno, getting in to what scum MIGHT be thinking or not seems like it wont get us anywhere. I'm choosing to believe the claim for now unless he does something super scummy.
mysterio: same deal as don johnson. though he claims to be catching up as I write this so maybe I'll be able to get a read of some kind on him tonight. though that was a while ago...so unless he's posting a wall even more massive than mine, gonna say its not happening tonight and he's strictly catching up on what has been going on and will comment at a later date.
nintendoaddict: *reads name* hmm town points already! I jest of course. I dont necessarily agree with everything you have said, you SEEM town enough. at least at first. in 149 <his ISO 9> when he votes for DH, he does so after pointing out that he was quitting for being angry. now, there were lots of quotes in that post and earlier in the post he DID say that he thought DH was scummy...it just seems like an odd place to put the vote. why not put it higher up during the parts where the actual case was? it makes it seem like you voted because he quit. maybe im just being nit picky. or heck, maybe the rage quit was scummy in some way and was relevant to the case? if so then let me know. then later there was the way he took maru's "prove im innocent" as "trying to be innocent" which, as link pointed out, implies 2 very different things. you do something similar with twistedspoon in 249 <ISO 17>...seems pretty obvious he didn't mean that every PR who doesn't come out and say "im role X" is scummy behavior. he was just asking someone who had either made a claim or fakeclaim, and did so in a way that we would find out the truth eventually <due to maru being alive or not> relatively soon anyway. you seem to be twisting peoples words/meanings to your liking to make them look scummy. you later claim you were just tired...but i dunno. as with link, i suppose I'll believe your explanation for now unless something else comes up. difference being though that, counting maru, this is already the second time. sorta turning into a fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me kind of situation.
The Tick: ahh, your name and avatar bring up so many memories. havent seen that dude in forever. anyway, yeah. *sigh* can't really find anything that stands out. though like with Link he seems to act more like a commentator than a player. but he eventually stepped out of that a bit. answered questions when asked of him. says why he believes person X did thing Y. though one thing gets to me is that he retracts his defenses of timeater and basically says he WILL vote for him assuming timeaters defense was lacking...but I don't think he gave a reason for the take back he did. maybe he did and i missed it. after reading so many posts i could see my brain auto skipping stuff to get through with the work faster. So my question to you tick, why the retraction of your defense?
timeater: near the beginning, seems to be more fighting with DH than actually...how to word this. more fighting than debating? disagreeing? i dunno. continue on for a while and...wait you unvoted? wha- wh-. huh? just unvote, with no reason given? *is confused* maybe future posts will tell me why...you had an inner realization that had nothing to do with anything he <and by implying inner realization nothign anybody else either> said? how did you come to this inner realization? seeing some of your thought process would be nice. wait. you say your realization was that he's a bad player? sir, at the risk of getting votes since I myself have done dumb things, the roles are chosen randomly...a bad player can be scum. I mean I can sorta understand it on some level. its not like I havent seen someone do something...not optimal, and chose to believe it was due to inexperience or something and writing it off to an extent. but the way you did ait seems like you just suddenly happened to drop the case completely. seems shifty. while i dont think that was the "nicest" way you could have put it, I will say that on some level you were "pushed" into saying DH is a bad player. and im not going to call you our for saying it. its not like I can dictate your opinions or anything. however in 147 <ISO 17> after saying you were pushed into it...you continue on. at this point it isn't you being pushed into saying something mean, you are just being antagonistic. to say you are better than him AND say you are terrible and he should just get over it?
at this point that seems to possibly be a mafia trying to start shit with someone to distract us from hunting, to watching a boxing match <btw, low blows are a no no in boxing sir>. then after the bell rings and DH forfeits the boxing match you say you are sorry to everyone for that? if you are so sorry why not just have ended it earlier? you then go absent for a while for no reason other than you feel like it. "emp needs to stop active lurking" says the guy who is
apparently
vla yet miraculously still posts and who's last several posts were:
an apology, you telling the mod something, telling us you are on your wii as well as saying 2 people are probably the same alignment, calling someone <i assume zdenek> a moron for commenting on you being online but not voting with the excuse of you being vla...yet you have posted and were ON, so saying "but i dont have to, i told you guys i wouldnt be on" is kinda BS. anyway, continuing with the list, you then requested a vote count, and saying zdenek is backpeddling...
yet you call someone out on active lurking? scratch that, you call someone out on active lurking while not only active lurking, but after basically asking freaking permission for it by saying you were vla. posting kinda voids your vla, particularly when your reasons were basically just because you wanted to. dont get me wrong, i believe he's active lurking too. but coming from you this is just laughable. so, pot, what color is that kettle again?
"real meat in a few hours" *over 12 hours later*...im hungry, wheres muh meat foo? I mean i understand being busy with rl stuff and all, i was busy too and couldnt post till now. but I said i would post tonight, and here I am.
overall read: thinking scum
pheew, this is taking longer than i thought.
twistedspoon: you fool, there is no spoon! town? nothing particular really stands out to me thats negative. nothing to see here folks. unless, as with tick, i missed something. i mean ive been at this for *looks at clock* GEEZ! how the. anyway, so yeah, nothing here seems worth commenting on.
zdenek: not sure I understand the vote on "me" on 77 <ISO 1>. i mean for all intents and purposes the vote WAS meant for me. DH said "you dont understand RVS" i said "that doesnt make me scum, that just means i dont understand RVS". you seemed to think that made me auto scum. why? also gotta say that within 4 posts you voted 4 times on 3 people. seems...wishy washy. a little later you vig. as of now because of that I really wanna say you are town because...well claiming <or pretending to claim to put someone in a position like that> takes bawlz. seems risky enough that I'm not sure a scum would do it. hmm, but at the same time, what if you had hit a PR and they claimed cop/blocker/whatever. that would mean you outed a PR. thinking about it that way, the plan seemed to involve more risk than gain. dont think I like it anymore. and in 293 <iso 15> where you explain...ahh hell
Zdenek wrote:Maruchan wrote:
Except, when I Was scum my mod told me that day-communications between scum in any form of code were EXPRESSLY not allowed, and in order for them to make this code, they would have had to talk about it in the QT, where the mod would have told them it wasn't allowed? Does that make sense?
I am not saying that it is a code. My point is that Timeater is suggesting that DH and I are connected by alignment, which essentially means that he thinks we are scum or town together. On top of that, he said that he thinks that DH is town. If he was town, and thought that he figured out a mason pair, he would have kept his mouth shut. He didn't. So he is scum making sure to let his buddy know what he noticed.
what exactly is he telling his buddy he noticed? that you and DH are the same alignment? but scum already know everyones alignment...why would he need to tell a scum buddy that? I don't think I follow you here. please tell me if im missing something
overall read:...i don't think I know honestly. I don't like the way he was switching his votes left and right. I think the vig plan's cons outweigh pro's unless someone would like to argue otherwise. and i don't think i follow his logic on that last post...my head says scum my gut says town playing a risky game with either bad logic or logic i simply don't understand atm. his is a read that will be more confirmed after I get some explanation out of him and maybe some opinions/comments from others
) but i will make sure to get one before i sleep if required.
Sorry for prematurely claiming, but you have to admit its not 100% my fault.
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